notice how it is neat if he had gotten shot his hand would be jiblets the point isn't that swords can't screw up a body the idea is sword wound = a clean cut with a bit of blood spatter gun wound = picking up bits of some guys hand for a hourShotgunZombie said:http://jhs.sagepub.com/content/36/1/70/F1.small.gifEsotera said:Have you seen what a gun can do to a human body? There's your answer.
That is from a sword, they're both capable of doing nasty things to the body that is their purpose they are weapons. Not to mention that that is small wound.
Beretta Silver Pigeon? Fuck yeah, awesome shotgun. I shoot with that. Pretty as a pewter piece, that one.Wadders said:Maybe but you have an army that can't shoot for shit. If guns are so easy to use, why does any army worth its salt spend months training soldiers in their correct use for Christsake?Xiado said:Because you can give guns to any old bozos and you have an army. Hand out swords to a bunch of people, and you have a big mob of idiots waiting to hurt themselves.
Any moron can kill someone with a sword as well really if they run in hacking and slashing, but it takes skill to use a gun and kill someone from more than a couple hundred yards.Takuanuva said:Short version: every moron can use a gun and kill someone, but you need skills to use other weapons (like swords) properly.
Just sayin'
OT: Guns can be elegant, very much so. See below for example:
I dont understand how swords are any more civilized than guns or any other weapon. They are all tools designed with but one purpose, to kill and/ or injure people. Nothing particularly civilised about that.
That's like saying Chuck Norris is a transsexual, I can't tell if it is a ridiculously unconvincing insult or if you are just trying to be as nonsensical as possible.Ramzal said:A marine with his rifle is simply a man in the ladies department of the Navy with a rifle.
would it still be elegant if a Master Swordman threw the sword into Dr Jones' chest on sight?Eggsnham said:You can pimp out your gun, but that doesn't change the fact that any idiot can pick it up and blast a master swordsman, who had trained to perfect his art for decades, to death in seconds.ShotgunZombie said:So this is a thought that I've been mulling around in the old noggin'. Why isn't a gun considered an elegant weapon? I've heard it said that it's because guns take the challenge out of duel or fight, that it's over too quickly and that guns make said duels unsportsmanlike but I never bought that line of thinking.
The way I see guns are sophisticated pieces of equipment, powerful, intimidating and above all else they demand respect. A gun is something you do not handle lightly no matter how much experienced you may have with one unless you have a death wish, and forgive me for being blunt but they look pretty damn cool.
Hell you can even add decals or engravements to give them that last touch of finesse. So why are they still considered inelegant weapons? Alright you've heard my opinion so what's yours?
In other words, you can pull an Indiana Jones on them.
Elegance isn't how cool it looks while it's in the case, but rather how cool it looks in the hands of a trained professional.
At least that's how I see it.
I'd agree with that, from what I've read on wikipedia. Also thinking about this, I believe the bokken of jujitsu may also fit; having being hit by one several times, my understanding is that it doesn't do that much damage.anANGRYkangaroo said:I believe a bo staff fits the description actually.Esotera said:I did not state that a sword is an elegant weapon. In fact, I don't believe a single elegant weapon exists.
True skill is needed to do serious damage, a real battle of the wits, and no major gore is necessary. It can be a simple practice battle, a duel of honor, or a defense.
This sums up my point pretty well.Adrian Neyland said:No weapons can be "elegant". How can the brutal taking of a life, or infliction of injury be considered elegant.
and anyone with a sword (or knife) can gut you open. heck, someone with a month of training (and some previous strength training) could bust your jaw with one of his appendages (fist, elbow, knee... head?).God said:Literally anyone can pick up a gun that is loaded, point it at something and pull the trigger. A gun takes considerably less skill and training to be decent with them then most other weapons.
I'm sure if someone did the decals themselves they'd think so.VladG said:If you think decals and engravings = finesse... there's really nothing to be said on the subject.