True, but then what is your definition of elegance when speaking about weapons, are swords not also powerful and intimidating? Also, I don't remember saying one weapon is better than other simply because it's elegant.burningdragoon said:You say guns are elegant because they are powerful, intimidating and demand respect. Strictly from a definition of elegant, I'd have to disagree.
If you want to argue whether or not elegant weapons are 'better' for some reason, go for it, but guns are not elegant.
Well, let me put it this way; "Any weapon's weakness is it's user."ShotgunZombie said:So this is a thought that I've been mulling around in the old noggin'. Why isn't a gun considered an elegant weapon? I've heard it said that it's because guns take the challenge out of duel or fight, that it's over too quickly and that guns make said duels unsportsmanlike but I never bought that line of thinking.
The way I see guns are sophisticated pieces of equipment, powerful, intimidating and above all else they demand respect. A gun is something you do not handle lightly no matter how much experienced you may have with one unless you have a death wish, and forgive me for being blunt but they look pretty damn cool.
Hell you can even add decals or engravements to give them that last touch of finesse. So why are they still considered inelegant weapons? Alright you've heard my opinion so what's yours?
The weapon of a coward? Say that to the men fighting over in Iraq with the guns. Go ahead. Try and call them cowards.Craorach said:Because it is a weapon that ANYONE can use and will win any confrontation with someone who is not also using a gun.
It is the weapon of a coward.. it can be used at extreme range in some cases, without ever having to see the victim's face, and still have an almost certain chance of victory.
It is a weapon that makes killing easy and impersonal.
With any form of melee weapon you must be there, in the face of the enemy. Not only must you be more skilled or physically overpower them, but you also have to be able to deal with the crushing reality of watching a person die by your hand, right in front of you.
Even with bows and crossbows, you have to have a measure of skill to even have a chance to outright kill someone with it.
With a gun you can point and pull the trigger and be fairly certain of severely injuring or killing someone.
The same thing can be said of most weapons. Anyone can swing a sword, but it takes "care and precision" to not cut yourself or an ally. Few people know what kind of work it takes to maintain a sword either. Do you think people would have needed years of training, that often started when they were still children, to use a sword if anyone could just "pick it up and kill with it?" Probably not. Why do you think crossbows were banned? Simply because any peasant could "pick one up and fire" and kill a knight who had trained his whole life how to fight with a blade. You can bet that crossbows required maintenance just as any weapon does, but I'm wiling to bet that a crossbow is bit harder to aim than a modern gun. I also don't know anyone who calls a crossbow "elegant."ShotgunZombie said:Have you ever seen the kind of care and precision needed to operate a gun effectively? Picking up a gun and firing it is something literally any one can do but to do it without putting your own life or the life of someone else in danger, anyone who's not a target that is, is another matter entirely.blakfayt said:Yes, they DEMAND respect, they do not earn it like ones skill with a rapier, or bow, that is why they aren't "elegant".
ZeroMachine said:Okay, if they can't take criticism of the weapons they use, not their own nature, they don't deserve to be in an armed force anyway. I said so much to my father, who was a soldier for twenty years, and he agreed with me.Craorach said:The weapon of a coward? Say that to the men fighting over in Iraq with the guns. Go ahead. Try and call them cowards.
Then you go ahead and charge at them with a club or sword or what have you. See what happens.
Not saying guns are elegant- they aren't. They definitely aren't. But to call it "the coward's weapon" is just downright foolish.
Saying guns are a cowards weapon, does not make everyone who uses them a coward.
They are a weapon that enables even the most petty minded coward and allows them to hold thrall over even the bravest hero.
I believe you just described the recruitment process for a lot armies back in the day...Xiado said:Because you can give guns to any old bozos and you have an army. Hand out swords to a bunch of people, and you have a big mob of idiots waiting to hurt themselves.
Maybe but you have an army that can't shoot for shit. If guns are so easy to use, why does any army worth its salt spend months training soldiers in their correct use for Christsake?Xiado said:Because you can give guns to any old bozos and you have an army. Hand out swords to a bunch of people, and you have a big mob of idiots waiting to hurt themselves.
Any moron can kill someone with a sword as well really if they run in hacking and slashing, but it takes skill to use a gun and kill someone from more than a couple hundred yards.Takuanuva said:Short version: every moron can use a gun and kill someone, but you need skills to use other weapons (like swords) properly.
back before the creation of gunpowder, samurai would constantly bully town of people who couldnt defend themselves because they were more skilled with a sword.Craorach said:Because it is a weapon that ANYONE can use and will win any confrontation with someone who is not also using a gun.
It is the weapon of a coward.. it can be used at extreme range in some cases, without ever having to see the victim's face, and still have an almost certain chance of victory.
It is a weapon that makes killing easy and impersonal.
With any form of melee weapon you must be there, in the face of the enemy. Not only must you be more skilled or physically overpower them, but you also have to be able to deal with the crushing reality of watching a person die by your hand, right in front of you.
Even with bows and crossbows, you have to have a measure of skill to even have a chance to outright kill someone with it.
With a gun you can point and pull the trigger and be fairly certain of severely injuring or killing someone.