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AceAngel

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I was wondering this: In Kick-Ass, we had the little girl that could, and pretty much showed us how an entire movie/internet idea could revolve around a little-one kicking arse.

My question: Why didn't they still do that with Batman? I mean Robin being a kid and all, not the other movie thing where...Robin was a guy older then, wearing velvet red catsuit with nipples, I mean the real thing.

Also, how come there is a lack of 'young' characters in comic books and movies who can become heroes in return, without moping around their mentor figure all day long?
 

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MovieBob said the exact same thing.

And I still call bullshit on it.

Mostly because I just don't get the feeling that Robin would be interesting in a movie.

It's just a gut feeling, but I'm going with it.
 

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It's impossible to make robin look badass while still staying true to the character, im sorry but you can't wear a red vest yellow cloak and green hotpants and expect to be taken seriously.
 

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Dick Grayson(Robin) became Nightwing after he was dismissed from the role of Robin at eighteen. Grayson's Flamebird was Bette Kane. He was featured in a Nightwing series from 1996 to 2009; since Wayne's apparent death, Grayson has become the new Batman, subsequently retiring his Nightwing mantle.

Grayson's Nightwing costume was a high-tech suit specially designed for his high-flying acrobatic style. His gauntlets and boots each contained eight compartments in which he could store items. They had a self-destruct feature built into them, similar to the ones in Batman's utility belt, and, as another security measure, the suit contained a one-use-only taser charge, which automatically emitted a high-voltage electrical shock when someone attempted to tamper with either the boots or gauntlets. Each gauntlet's sections could contain a wide array of equipment, such as sonic or smoke pellets, modified batarangs ("Wing-Dings"), knockout gas capsules, and throwable tracers. The right gauntlet was also equipped with a 100,000-volt stun gun. Like the gauntlets, his boot compartments could carry vital equipment such as flares, a rebreather as protection against any airborne non-contact toxins, a mini-computer equipped with fax, modem, GPS, and a minidisk re-writable drive. Other items were lock picks, a first-aid kit, a mini-cellphone, flexi-cuffs, antitoxin assortment, wireless listening devices, and a small halogen flashlight. After coming to New York, Dick added a black utility belt to his costume, eliminating the need for his boots and gauntlets. Held in spring-loaded pouches in the back of his costume, Dick carried a pair of Escrima truncheons made from an unbreakable polymer that were wielded as both offensive and defensive weapons. Some depictions displayed these tools with the mechanism to shoot a grappling hook attached to a swing line (like Daredevil's billy clubs), while, in other instances, he was either seen using a "line gun" like the one Batman uses or using the grappling/swing lines either stored in or able to be launched from his gauntlets.

The Nightbird was Grayson's personalized automobile. The Nightbird has a red "muscle car" body shell and a "street camouflage" paint scheme which ensures that the Nightbird looks like any other car. It includes many of the same modifications (e.g. bulletproof armor, communications links) as the Batmobile. Additionally, the Nightbird chassis and WayneTech-modified engine feature locking clamps onto which various endoskeleton car bodies can be fitted. This allows Nightwing to rapidly change the appearance of the Nightbird in order to blend into any environment. Unfortunately, it was blown up on only its second actual appearance in a story, and was never replaced. Dick returned to his vehicle of choice during his Robin and early Nightwing days: a high-powered motorcycle. In Detective Comics #847 he was seen with a redesigned automobile.
 

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Dick Grayson has actually now become Batman in the new DC comics, so he has literally stepped into his shoes, but under Batmans name.
 

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If you want stories about preteens saving the world over and over again, go watch Pokemon.

Or hell, the majority of manga fit.
 
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No one who has read Dark Victory can say that RObin wouldn't be interesting.

Robin works, get over it, and the Teen Titans, when written well, work brilliantly. If you have the right writer, anything is possibly. Any hack can write a 'darker and edgier' piece of nonsense which decides that brown and blood makes a good story, but copying the Alan Moore bandwagon which pulled out of the station in 1986 is just getting lamer and lamer every time nowadays.

Alan Moore himself said 'After all this deconstruction, maybe it's time for a little reconstruction.'

Robin works, as long as you've got a writer with the stones and the talent to make him work. And that's what the Dark Knight saga is missing.
 

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Because Robin keeps Batman down to earth and we don't want that to happen. At the moment Batman has practically nothing to lose besides Alfred (and it's not like the rich man's butler is in any real jeopardy) so he can go completely mad without personal consequences.
A sidekick (especially such a possibly annoying and young character like Robin) would make him more vulnerable and thus more calm. Plus don't forget there's only one Batpod in the Tumbler!
 

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Glademaster said:
Em what about the Teen Titans I mean they were basically a mini Justice League?
But...but...no Batman...*sniff sniff*

Hubilub said:
MovieBob said the exact same thing.

And I still call bullshit on it.

Mostly because I just don't get the feeling that Robin would be interesting in a movie.

It's just a gut feeling, but I'm going with it.
OK, ok, you have a point, but if that is the case, even Batman was overdone and uninteresting being Mr. Perfect and all. What about the 'fun' factor, of having a big guy and small guy kicking arse. Gimili did it, why can't Robin?


Nmil-ek said:
It's impossible to make robin look badass while still staying true to the character, im sorry but you can't wear a red vest yellow cloak and green hotpants and expect to be taken seriously.
Really? I don't recall Batman looking decent, but they did a pretty good job in the new ones. As long as no nipples that is.

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Batsamaritan said:
Because robin is shit...

seriously he was brought in to legitimise batman and lighten the dark pulp detective tone bob kane had established in the early comics..

Robin makes batman look like a super hero not the damged violent sociopath he really is, Robin is why batman can run round with his garish pals and not end up in arkam.

seriously batman is an interesting character, robin is just an annoyance (aside from in dark knight returns)
But how? Isn't Batman annoying as well? He's cool and kick-arse, and all...but honestly, he's as deep as a spoonful of butter, compelling and nice, but bland.
 
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AceAngel said:
I know there is no Batman I just thought I'd point this out. So I now assume you are looking for something where both Batman and Robin look badass. While this would be good I can't think of anything nor do I think any exists as it does not fit into Robin's character with Batman.
 

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AceAngel said:
But how? Isn't Batman annoying as well? He's cool and kick-arse, and all...but honestly, he's as deep as a spoonful of butter, compelling and nice, but bland.
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Maybe it could be done well. Personally speaking, I'd rather not see it, but, that's not to say it couldn't work. That said, I loved Batman: The Animated Series. But every hero character that got added to the series made it worse. The best episodes of Batman: The Animated Series featured only Batman, they got worse when they added Robin, worse still when they added Batgirl, and were lower than low when you had the new Robin, Batgirl, and Nightwing all running about. If it was up to me, it'd just be Batman.
 

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AceAngel said:
What I really feel a Batman film needs right now is MOAR BATMAN.

The first film, Batman Begins, was an origin story, and therefore dealt a lot with how Batman came to be and stuff.

The second one is barely even about Batman. He's almost a supporting actor while The Joker gets full attention.

No, what is needed is full focus on Batman. No origin story, no focus on the villain, more Batman. Introduce a simple villain in the third that doesn't take much explaining and doesn't require 70% screentime and focus on Batman. How he deals with now being hated by everyone, how harder it is to conceal his identity, how stress is getting him more ruthless, those kind of things. I don't think we are ready for Robin even if it would work, because Batman himself needs more focus.
 

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Nmil-ek said:
AceAngel said:
But how? Isn't Batman annoying as well? He's cool and kick-arse, and all...but honestly, he's as deep as a spoonful of butter, compelling and nice, but bland.
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That's exactly what I mean! That one linear makes him sound like an over-active Johnny Testosterone macho guy...it's out of place and all, make it's look cool, but at the end of the day, it's an internet meme.

Glademaster said:
AceAngel said:
I know there is no Batman I just thought I'd point this out. So I now assume you are looking for something where both Batman and Robin look badass. While this would be good I can't think of anything nor do I think any exists as it does not fit into Robin's character with Batman.
I hate you...I still like you, but I hate you. Also, you do have a point.
 

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Hubilub said:
AceAngel said:
What I really feel a Batman film needs right now is MOAR BATMAN.

The first film, Batman Begins, was an origin story, and therefore dealt a lot with how Batman came to be and stuff.

The second one is barely even about Batman. He's almost a supporting actor while The Joker gets full attention.

No, what is needed is full focus on Batman. No origin story, no focus on the villain, more Batman. Introduce a simple villain in the third that doesn't take much explaining and doesn't require 70% screentime and focus on Batman. How he deals with now being hated by everyone, how harder it is to conceal his identity, how stress is getting him more ruthless, those kind of things. I don't think we are ready for Robin even if it would work, because Batman himself needs more focus.
I guess you do have a point...but the Batman universe is soooo big, with all the colorful villains and such, it's hard to make him the 'real' center-point...at least from my personal experience from...well...Comics I guess, no wait, I just humiliated my entire point...
 

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AceAngel said:
Hubilub said:
AceAngel said:
What I really feel a Batman film needs right now is MOAR BATMAN.

The first film, Batman Begins, was an origin story, and therefore dealt a lot with how Batman came to be and stuff.

The second one is barely even about Batman. He's almost a supporting actor while The Joker gets full attention.

No, what is needed is full focus on Batman. No origin story, no focus on the villain, more Batman. Introduce a simple villain in the third that doesn't take much explaining and doesn't require 70% screentime and focus on Batman. How he deals with now being hated by everyone, how harder it is to conceal his identity, how stress is getting him more ruthless, those kind of things. I don't think we are ready for Robin even if it would work, because Batman himself needs more focus.
I guess you do have a point...but the Batman universe is soooo big, with all the colorful villains and such, it's hard to make him the 'real' center-point...at least from my personal experience from...well...Comics I guess, no wait, I just humiliated my entire point...
That is true. I don't know, maybe I'm a bit biased because I felt the other films didn't focus enough on Batman. They should have, but perhaps moving on and forgetting is as good as any option.

I'm still not sure I want Robin in a Batman film, but it's up to Nolan to decide.
 

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Hubilub said:
AceAngel said:
Hubilub said:
AceAngel said:
What I really feel a Batman film needs right now is MOAR BATMAN.

The first film, Batman Begins, was an origin story, and therefore dealt a lot with how Batman came to be and stuff.

The second one is barely even about Batman. He's almost a supporting actor while The Joker gets full attention.

No, what is needed is full focus on Batman. No origin story, no focus on the villain, more Batman. Introduce a simple villain in the third that doesn't take much explaining and doesn't require 70% screentime and focus on Batman. How he deals with now being hated by everyone, how harder it is to conceal his identity, how stress is getting him more ruthless, those kind of things. I don't think we are ready for Robin even if it would work, because Batman himself needs more focus.
I guess you do have a point...but the Batman universe is soooo big, with all the colorful villains and such, it's hard to make him the 'real' center-point...at least from my personal experience from...well...Comics I guess, no wait, I just humiliated my entire point...
That is true. I don't know, maybe I'm a bit biased because I felt the other films didn't focus enough on Batman. They should have, but perhaps moving on and forgetting is as good as any option.

I'm still not sure I want Robin in a Batman film, but it's up to Nolan to decide.
Originally, I though it would be a good idea to make a third movie with Batman and all with NO Robin, while a Spin-Off (4th one) might finally bring it in, Robin, but I remembered how most 'movies' end up becoming more diluted as the series continues, and the number 4 is the number at which point you know a medium needs to take a different direction.

Moreover, Robin as a Spin-Off would be utterly stupid, not that it wouldn't work, but most people don't realize how dark some of the parts can become with Robin (especially when he takes up the new cape) so they would dismiss it quickly.

But I could be talking out of my ignorant arse for all I know.
 

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Glademaster said:
Em what about the Teen Titans I mean they were basically a mini Justice League?
And the leader IS Robin.

Speaking of which, why is he the leader? Hes just some guy with a batbelt.
 

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AceAngel said:
Hubilub said:
AceAngel said:
Hubilub said:
AceAngel said:
What I really feel a Batman film needs right now is MOAR BATMAN.

The first film, Batman Begins, was an origin story, and therefore dealt a lot with how Batman came to be and stuff.

The second one is barely even about Batman. He's almost a supporting actor while The Joker gets full attention.

No, what is needed is full focus on Batman. No origin story, no focus on the villain, more Batman. Introduce a simple villain in the third that doesn't take much explaining and doesn't require 70% screentime and focus on Batman. How he deals with now being hated by everyone, how harder it is to conceal his identity, how stress is getting him more ruthless, those kind of things. I don't think we are ready for Robin even if it would work, because Batman himself needs more focus.
I guess you do have a point...but the Batman universe is soooo big, with all the colorful villains and such, it's hard to make him the 'real' center-point...at least from my personal experience from...well...Comics I guess, no wait, I just humiliated my entire point...
That is true. I don't know, maybe I'm a bit biased because I felt the other films didn't focus enough on Batman. They should have, but perhaps moving on and forgetting is as good as any option.

I'm still not sure I want Robin in a Batman film, but it's up to Nolan to decide.
Originally, I though it would be a good idea to make a third movie with Batman and all with NO Robin, while a Spin-Off (4th one) might finally bring it in, Robin, but I remembered how most 'movies' end up becoming more diluted as the series continues, and the number 4 is the number at which point you know a medium needs to take a different direction.

Moreover, Robin as a Spin-Off would be utterly stupid, not that it wouldn't work, but most people don't realize how dark some of the parts can become with Robin (especially when he takes up the new cape) so they would dismiss it quickly.

But I could be talking out of my ignorant arse for all I know.
Nah, you have a point there.

Robin's been through some nasty shit.

Shame Heath Ledger is dead, otherwise we could have the Joker kill Robin... again!