Why so much hate for consoles?

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BleedingPride

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I'll be brief, I recognize PC's as superior platforms on multiple levels. However, I think the prices to buy good PCs are too high for me to afford. Instead of buying a $2000 PC, I buy a console for (lets use the PS4 as an example) $400, plus a nice game to go with it, landing at a total of $460. I still have $1540, still get reasonably good quality and I am able to play games that I enjoy. I see so much hate on consoles, but I don't quite understand why. Isn't the point to play games? Why do people seem to treat consoles like the apocalypse of the game industry? Are they? If so, why?


EDIT: I'm only using $2000 because my friend is building his own PC and this was the price he ended up with.

2nd EDIT: Actually, the price tag is more like $1300, however even if I bought a PS4 I'd still have $840 left over.
 

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$2000 is far, far, far too much money to spend on a gaming PC. I don't know why that's the "go to" number in these discussions, but good gaming PCs don't cost nearly that much.

But to answer your question, PC fanboys are dicks just like console fanboys. You'll see a bunch of arguments about "holding the tech back" but I kinda like that. It means I can keep the same PC for years on end instead of having to upgrade every year.
 

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This'll be a fun thread.

Because fanboys are fanboys and people want reasons to proclaim themselves smarter and superior to others even though any retard can build themselves a pc without knowing what they're doing (just look at the people recommending 16 gigs of ram on pc builder threads), its suddenly the sign of a super intelligent "power user". Or because some people are too self centered to understand that other people want different things.

"Steam is so cheap"
I'd rather buy most my games full price when they come out
"You can install mods"
I barely have time to play all the games I own
"Keyboard and mouse has so much more precision"
Why would I care when I only play single player games in front of a tv?
"You can plug into a tv"
Why would I want to use a shitty Windows interface for that?

Try to remember that only the annoying ones are vocal. All my pc gamer friends aren't elitist dicks unless they're being ironic about it. And of course, I do play both cause there's benefits to be had from both. Older games like Kotor 2 for $5 on Steam sale? Fuck yes
 

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No gaming platform is superior to another. If someone attempts to convince you otherwise, you should offer them the lubricant needed to get their head of there anus because 95%, they're just an annoying fanboy.
 

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yesbag said:
They aren't. It's just fanboys being fanboys. Many of them don't even recognize it since they think only consoles have fanboys, but there is a large contingent of PC fanboys. Unfortunately, many frequent this site, so it can be exasperating here at times.

I like consoles as well and enjoy some games on PC. But by no means is one "superior" to the other - just different.
Pretty much this. It's just a case of fanboyism and this happens in everything where we are given more than one choice.

It's not so much people who think their choice is best (of course you will) it's those people who want YOU to know that their choice is the best that really grate.
 

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Yeah fuck knows where this figure of $2000 dollars comes from in regards to building a gaming computer. 600-800 will get you a pretty decent one. Other than that though I agree, I find it more enjoyable to game on consoles than I do on PC (I have both). This site is pretty heavily skewed in favour of PC though so that might be why they get all the hate.
 

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I enjoy both consoles and PC's. Yeah, each one has advantages over the other, but I think it's kinda silly to hate on people who happen to enjoy one or the other.

I'll admit though, if it weren't for PC's, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. :p
 

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There is console hate? The only time I ever see it happen is when someone says something stupid(the usual case) and it get blown out of proportions by someone needing to protect their E-PEEN.

It might even happen with this thread. $2000 builds you a render-box, something that could build games/visual effects. You can easily get most games to 1080P maxed out at about 40+ frames for less than $800. Yes it is a litte more expensive up front but not at that ludicrous level unless you want it to. That is the thing about the PC that makes it great.

Consoles has its place in the chain, It helps push optimization of coding techniques and raises the bottom bar while PC aim to push the top bar. If we didn't have both pushing, I don't think we would be at the graphic fidelity we are at now.
 

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Just because it hasn't been linked yet:

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

Beep boop.

I would say that, on a purely technical level (which is sort of the only objective level you can look at, maybe?) that an expensive gaming PC will outperform a console. There's no reeeeal way to debate that, I mean, it's objective. But they're also fucking expensive, and you can get a perfectly adequate experience on a console, so whatever.

Aside from that though, people shouldn't give a dingy dang. I don't understand people who give that much of a damn about the console on which other people play their games. I suppose man's eternal struggle to find consensus among his peers, or something equally poetic and wrong.

Although, I haven't noticed the PC elitism on this website to the extent that the OP clearly has. But I'm a PC gamer so I naturally wouldn't notice it.

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BleedingPride said:
Why do people seem to treat consoles like the apocalypse of the game industry?
Certainly not to this level. I haven't noticed this at all. Where are these people? They sound rather silly.
 

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My gaming PC cost me around £500, or $768 USD. Intel Core i5-3330, Gigabyte H61M-DS2 motherboard, 8GB of RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GT 640 (2GB), two 1tb hard drives and a Corsair TX750 PSU.

It plays titles like Tomb Raider, Sleeping Dogs, Batman: Arkham City etc as smoothly as a babies bottom at the high settings.

More expensive than a console certainly but it balances out with the cheaper cost of the games.

I own a Xbox 360 and PS3 too, so it isn't as if I am biased toward either platform. All of them have their benefits.
 

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Capitano Segnaposto said:
For a great gaming PC, you will spend around 1200, with peripherals it will go up to around 1500 to 1600. While not as huge of a number as he says, it is still rather expensive compared to the 700 you would pay for a new console lineup ( Extra controller, a headset, and a new game or two). Consoles have always been the cheaper, and for most, better choice between the two.
Settle for less than "great" then! My PC cost about £500 ($767, apparently) including the monitor, keyboard and mouse. I already had speakers, but the monitor has them built in, anyway. Most games run great at good settings, too. I'm not maxing absolutely everything out, here, but I really couldn't care less about that.

What components are you thinking of that would get you up to $1200? I can't fathom why someone would spend that much money on a gaming machine (then again, I'd probably understand if I could afford to...)

I'll freely admit that the base cost of a PC is going to be higher than a console, though. This worked out cheaper than a console, for me, because I needed a decent PC for other things, too. Otherwise, I might have tried to find a £100 PS3 somewhere. Or nicked my brother's.
 

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I blame consoles for shitty UI's, QTE's, low-res textures and unconfigurable video settings - when applicable, of course.
See: Saints Row, Skyrim and any game that wants you to switch weapons through a "wheel".
Like this:

This shit needs to die. Or atleast removed when ported to PC.
 

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Im not sure where this hate that you speak of is. Its true that we have a lot of PC gamers here on the escapist but enjoying playing games on PC does not equate to hatred toward consoles. I happen to own both an xbox 360 and a PS3 along with a PSVita and I play games on them regularly. I prefer playing games on my PC but once again a preference for PC does not equate to a hatred of consoles.

For me, I prefer PC gaming because I can customize my hardware to suit my personal needs and because I have a much wider variety of games then I do on consoles (which are also generally cheaper). PC also has IMO more innovation happening. In the last year we've had 3 pieces of equipment either come out or show up on the horizon (the Steambox, Razers edge, and soon Nvidia's project shield) that are changing how we play and interact with our PCs.

That said consoles have one major bonus. Pick up and play. Unlike PCs consoles benifit from the ability to just slip in the disk and start playing. Theres minimal screwing with options and settings because a console is one standardized peice of equipment while PCs are highly variable. However as consoles move toward digital distribution they'll loose this one and only advantage which IMO sucks

The thing that I really dislike about the console market is how often they simply refuse to port good games to PC while simultaneously complaining about sales. This is mostly a Japanese based phenomena because theres barely a PC gaming market in Japan. However with the release of dark souls (and Im hoping dark souls 2) Fromsoft was shown that there is a strong PC gaming market here in the west. Its my hope that other developers will follow their example. I would love to see games like Muramasa rebirth and Dragons crown on my PC. On the flip side yes I would like to see more PC centric games ported to consoles but to be fair the liscencing costs are pretty outrageous for any company outside AAA development (patching costs are even worse). This may change with the next generation consoles though

One of my other major criticisms of consoles is the lack of backwards compatibility. Generally if you look hard enough you can get an old game to run on a newer PC. If I dont want to buy it from GoG.com I can still play Descent from my old floppy drives via dosbox and a drive I can hook into my hardware. Consoles generally just dont have backwards compatibility or the BC is utter garbage (i.e. xbox 360). My PSvita allows me to play older games like Breath of Fire or vagrant story but I have to rebuy them and Im personally not ok with that. I should not have to buy something I already own just to play it on a new platform

Finally theres the whole price mark. The last time I looked at building a good PC it would have cost me just under $500 for something that would run Planetside 2 well. The average PC doesnt cost much more then that and you make that money back with cheaper games over the long haul. So while the initial investment for a good PC is more you spend less money on games offsetting the cost (which may actually make PC gaming less expensive depending on your spending habits)

For all my criticisms and praises PCs and consoles are two very different pieces of equipment. There are good and bad things about both platforms but my preference for playing games on my PC is not hate for consoles. I truly believe that our leasuire time is precious and that its a tragedy when that time is spent doing something we dont like. So play what you want, on whatever machine you want, and enjoy yourself. Thats what its all about
 

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I don't hate consoles at all (I've always gamed both on PC and consoles). I do, however, hate terrible ports. For some reason the PC gets awful UIs when ported over. This, of course, is just lazy developers; not the existence of consoles.
 

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I hate all the console hate. Personally i find consoles faaaaaaarrrrrr superior to pcs. There easier to use less fuck up prone and dont cost tons of cash just to upgrade to play 1 game half decent and controllers own keyboard and mouse on almost all games. Pcs are only good for internet stuff and some simpler older pc only games like gog stuff to me, well and some mmos but alot of them could be a hundred times better on a console like dcuo , final fantasy 11 , and defiance are.
 

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Consoles are locked into their hardware as far as controls and their own guts. That usually hinders how games work on a computer which annoys me greatly. But the greatest quality that gets PC a leg up over consoles that is a fuel for my dislike of them is that when developers decide to not to finish their games and release them anyway PC modders have a ability to finish it. But in truth its really quite a lot of fun to watch people yell at each other about why they are right and not one other person in the world is even close to correct.
 

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Because they don't have steam sales or GOG.

Because they enable practices that have made the industry become toxic.

Because self repair is near impossible.

Because games are limited to what their creators can be bothered for.

Because consoles severely restrict the playable lifespan of a game.
 

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I like consoles as well and enjoy some games on PC. But by no means is one "superior" to the other - just different.
Unfortunately, that's just flat wrong. On the one hand, you have a console, marred by proprietary hardware and software both available for a ton of money and rarely any cheaper - because a single company literally owns every aspect of the console and charges what they want with no competition in their market bubble. Consoles also feature long load times, disc swapping, and the same painful update process that *used to be* unique to PCs. Updating the console firmware, updating the games via patches, updating DLC which sometimes happens separately, updating kinect firmware, etc, and if you're still awake 30 minutes later, you can maybe even play a game. But on that topic, the games you play are very limited; you have an insanely small library of games, most of which are only playable on that gen of console and not compatible with older gens or newer gens, specifically to force you to either re-buy them or buy new versions of them when the next console comes out in an attempt to wrangle money out of your wallet for as little effort as possible. Literally the only "pro" to consoles anymore is the fact that some of them occasionally hold a franchise or title hostage, forcing you to put up with all the other bullshit the consoles bring with it in order to enjoy that one game or franchise. And that's hardly a "pro."

On the other hand, you have PCs; which have the single biggest games library of any singular gaming system, stretching all the way back to the 90s, and most of which are still playable today with very little effort (some take more than others, but it's incredibly rare to find a game that's literally impossible to get to work on any current gen OS). On top of that you have game mods, stretching from basic cheat options to console commands in Bethesda games to literal game mods that add countless hours of content to already great games like Baldur's Gate, any given Elder Scrolls game, and also recently Fallouts. And the vast majority of these mods are free and easy to install!

On top of that, PCs are a very open market. Microsoft owns the OS, but the individual components and what software you use is completely up to you. You can choose based on preference, loyalty to a brand or company, who gives the best prices, etc. I mean seriously; compare the variety of Xbox controllers available to the variety of keyboards and mice available. And that's just one tiny aspect of the freedom of choice that PCs offer; it extends to every component inside the tower to where you buy your games. And I don't even have to talk about how steam and gog are vastly better sales centers than pretty much anything available to consoles (protip; they are).

Building a brand new PC can be pricy; a PC with a good monitor, keyboard, mouse, headset etc costs about as much as a console with controllers, headset, games, etc (which is a considerable chunk of money). It's completely folly to say they're flat more expensive, though; it's possible to build a $2000 PC, but you don't "need" to for gaming. You can match a console for less than 1k, and anything above that is accoutrements or flat superiority in hardware.

Powerful PCs can also emulate, with very little effort, entire generations of older systems and consoles. Adding onto the already insanely beefy PC library comes PS1, PS2, GBC, GBA, Gamecube, and old Sega systems. The fact that you can't pick up a PS1 game and pop it into a PS3, but you can play them just fine on PC is honestly mindboggling to me. It's like console developers literally have their heads up their asses.

Lastly, and this sort of ties in to my previous point about a single company holding the reigns on your system... You know the whole Xbone fiasco? Where a single company said a very resounding "fuck you" to every single potential consumer, detailing all the ways they'd lose basic consumer rights in the name of Microsoft's profits? The only way you can deal with a situation like that on a console is to not buy it, at all; because you have no control over your system and are at the complete mercy of single company. One who, in this case, cares so little about their customers that they're willing to piss all over them for a buck. Who is willing to mandate a 24/7 camera and microphone built into the system specifically to gather marketing data [http://www.oxm.co.uk/57592/xbox-one-is-built-for-advertising-but-microsoft-will-protect-the-user-from-any-sort-of-abuse] to sell to other companies. One who was willing to mandate every-day online check-ins in a ham-handed attempt to reduce piracy. One who was willing to put needless, overly complicated restrictions on used games simply to make more money at the cost of convenience to the users.

That kind of bullshit is impossible for a company to pull on PC, simply because of competition. If one company tried to mandate unreasonable practices on its customers, they'd simply leave and go to a less shitty service. That's why services like Steam are so well received; because instead of trying to fuck its consumers over with 24/7 cameras and microphones, they build trust over the years, offer us deals on quality games, and even let us play our games completely offline despite steam itself being a DRM service. They realized that the best way to take off in a competitive environment was to be competitive; not force draconian bullshit DRM down everyone's throats in an attempt to make that extra dollar.

That is why consoles are, and will be for the foreseeable future, inferior to PCs. Lack of customizability, lack of options, lack of control, and lack of true competition for the company who holds the reigns leads to a terribly inferior gaming experience to that offered by a PC. It's got very little to do with "personal taste"; because if personal taste was actually a problem for you, you would have been a PC gamer already.

Consoles offer nothing that PCs cannot, and usually do so for more money and with less goodwill toward consumers. The last bastion of consoles existing at all, exclusive titles, is the thin lifeline keeping the unsustainable ship of console gaming from finally sinking into the abyss where it belongs. Everything else those companies are doing now is attempting to keep a chokehold on their customers, punishing them for the developers' bad decisions and inability to make and market a game for reasonable amounts of money. Continuing to buy into the console market is giving them a leash already tied to your neck, and they can yank it any which way they please. If you want to game without a leash, it's time to step up to the PC tier.
 

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You can put together a completely serviceable computer for $600. Your prices are way out there. If you already own a computer that is less than 4 years old you can probably just buy a $150 video card and have a great gaming rig.

In any case consoles are fine but I think a lot of older games just don't have the time for two platforms. That is what it is like for me at least. Since I love my computer and use it for a ton of other stuff I game on it too and I haven't bought a console since the Dreamcast and PS2.

So buy consoles if you want, there is nothing wrong with that at all, but some of us just have the time to focus on one platform and the PC has a lot of positives that attract us.
 

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AuronFtw said:
yesbag said:
I like consoles as well and enjoy some games on PC. But by no means is one "superior" to the other - just different.
Unfortunately, that's just flat wrong. -snip-
While I agree with just about everything you said you could have been a little more diplomatic. This kind of comment is where the whole "PC elitist" meme comes from.