Why so much hate for Sony?

[cleverlymadeup]

I personally have the HD-Drive for the 360 and notice that HD is better than Blu-Ray, but was not promoted as much and therefore no more HD-DVDs will be manufactured, but I don't see it as a waste of money since I get to enjoy many titles people with Blu-Ray players will have to wait for, if they ever get to experience them at all.

actually most of the hd-dvd titles will be out on blu-ray later this year. also most electronics store people will say blu-ray blows away hd-dvd with little trouble

In response to the original post, the reason Sony gets most of the bashing is because every field they get into, they promise the best, but can't deliver. My dad works in high-end electronics and so his company was invited to a conference held by Sony to demonstrate the Blu-Ray player; it broke. The damn thing wouldn't work. The PS3 on it's own had a similar problem and after years of delay, it just doesn't seem that well worth it. That's why they get the critisizm.

right and look how many times bill gates showed of m$ stuff and it failed horribly or didn't even work, more than sony's stuff has failed

and don't even get started on failed promises on features, m$ has had more failed promises than Sony and Nintendo and Sega combined

 

[bib12342004]

wow If Sony put out even half the good games that Microsoft puts out, then we might be nicer to them.
dumba$$

xbox 360 has two great games
halo 3
and
gears of war
sony has currently 2 great games
Resistance
MGS4

How can you compare the two there even.

 

[shatnershaman]

If you want to look at the Sony exclusives, they're right here. You shouldn't really claim they have none without looking.

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=86124

Anyway, designing for a brand new media format is hard work. Sony have taken a new idea and just run with it. This means it took a lot more effort to design for them, but also meant that Motostorm and Resistance were really cool.

And I'd like to again point out that Microsoft did not invent the concept of Points for unique play styles, Insomniac have been doing it for years.

UT3 is there and I thought PC/1 console games don't count.

EDIT: DVD>HD-DVD and Blu-ray Why? Thousands more movies

 

[Alotak]

Sony get picked on because the delay more than hmmm can't think of a decent metaphor, and when they finaly bring out whatever they been promising like JakubK666 said there is usualy more than half of it missing.
The ps3 is good, better (hardware anyway) than the Wii or the 360, however Sony sucks more than Nintendo or Microsoft (not more than Vista though because thats imposible).
Please don't hit me with the greatness which is the bannhammer.

 

[shatnershaman]

Notice how it says +PC?
If we go into that area, then the Xbox must discount Mass Effect, Bioshock (they have to discount that anyway, but whatever), Gears of War, and a hell of a lot of their other "exclusives".

Thats what I mean. Do they count? (I'm guessing you say they don't)

Heres the list of 360 games (including PC/360 ones)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games

List of only 360 (No PC or other console except arcade) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Xbox_360-only_games

I like the letter "H"

 

[AlphaWolf13]

Who said Microsoft was an underdog? Go die...
Microsoft deserves to DIE...

 

[shatnershaman]

Lets go over it. The 360 exclusives worth a damn can be counted on your fingers - Mass Effect, Halo 3, Gears of War, Crackdown (I never liked it, but I assume some people do), Dead Rising, Perfect Dark Zero (again, can't see the appeal).

The Ps3 exclusives worth a damn are MGS4, Resistance:Fall Of Man, Uncharted, Haze (just kidding), Heavenly Sword, Warhawk and R & C : Tools of Destruction.

The score reads a tie at 6 to 6. What may skew some people judgement is that they count shared titles as 360 exclusives.

Mass Effect-91
Halo 3-94
Gears of War-94
Crackdown-83
Dead Rising-85
Perfect Dark Zero-81

Average:88

MGS4-94
RFOM-86
Uncharted-88
HS-79
RC-89
Warhawk-84

Average:86.666...

You don't give a damn about GRAW?

 

[shatnershaman]

And did you notice how very many of them were either Arcade games or total and utter abominations? (Here I'm referring mainly to them turning a beloved platformer/adventure game into a GTA clone. I mean, seriously, are they high, or just incredibly incompetent?)

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. (Remember Lair and Haze.)

EDIT: It may be an arcade and an abomination but I'm getting Pirates vs ninjas dodgeball for the hell of it (ninjas ftw)
EDIT2.0: Oh and Ninja Gaiden 2. Some people give a damn about that.

 

[shatnershaman]

Never played it, looked it up, remembered it was on the Ps2. Doesn't sound like much of an exclusive.

And where'd you get these scores?

GRAW on 360 was different developer and not shit (90s vs PS2 50s)

I got scores from Metacritic.com look around your self. I then used grade 2 math and Vista calculator.

EDIT: Ninja Gaiden 2 is only on 360 Ninja Gaiden Sigma is a remake of a remake.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

the problem I have with Sony, is that they have questionable morals.

right and m$ is any better? they were convicted of lying about LOTS of stuff and are still being fined for it

Well done for mentioning MS and turning this into another console wars thread mate. Anyway...MS also being morally reprehensible isn't a viable defence for Sony.

 

[shadow skill]

What is the point of even posting review averages that don't nessecarily take into account all of the reviews for a game; or even includes reviews that are questionable at best? I remember at least one review for Uncharted that apparently took off points because there was no multiplayer....As if every game actually needs one. Then there was the R&C debacle at gamespot. Then we have games penalized for being too short in terms of length of time it takes to play them. (There is a difference between saying a game is too short in terms of time, and saying a game did not finish when it needed to finish.)

 

[shatnershaman]

What is the point of even posting review averages that don't nessecarily take into account all of the reviews for a game; or even includes reviews that are questionable at best? I remember at least one review for Uncharted that apparently took off points because there was no multiplayer....As if every game actually needs one. Then there was the R&C debacle at gamespot. Then we have games penalized for being too short in terms of length of time it takes to play them. (There is a difference between saying a game is too short in terms of time, and saying a game did not finish when it needed to finish.)

You think multiplayer and length don't matter. They do. You can say it ends at the right time and multiplayer doesn't matter when you make your own review site.

 

[shadow skill]

What is the point of even posting review averages that don't nessecarily take into account all of the reviews for a game; or even includes reviews that are questionable at best? I remember at least one review for Uncharted that apparently took off points because there was no multiplayer....As if every game actually needs one. Then there was the R&C debacle at gamespot. Then we have games penalized for being too short in terms of length of time it takes to play them. (There is a difference between saying a game is too short in terms of time, and saying a game did not finish when it needed to finish.)

You think multiplayer and length don't matter. They do. You can say it ends at the right time and multiplayer doesn't matter when you make your own review site.

They sure didn't matter for Bioshock or Ninja Gaiden 2 or Mass Effect.....

 

[shatnershaman]

You can't apply iron clad laws to reviewing games. Multiplayer does not need to be on everything, there can be titles that are only single player. Plus, if you're going to bring up that length is the most important thing, I'm gonna have to bring up Portal.

And I'm going to have to bring up Halo 3 got a higher score than PS3 Orange Box and GTA 4 got higher score than PC/360 Orange Box besides Portal also has TF2 as a multiplayer aspect (in the same box)

EDIT: Ditto for BioShock NG2 and Mass Effect.

 

[Zippy1313]

I have both and I defend both, but Sony is very pretentious when they said that people would pay $600 just because it is the PS3. Microsoft also has better exclusives like Gears, Fable 2 (coming soon), Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect, Dead Rising, and shit like the craptastic epic that is Halo (shit-load of fuck). Sony has exclusives like Resistance, Metal Gear, and Lair, but they aren't nowhere as big as Microsoft's. I like my PS3, but i have 2 games for it and 10 for the 360.

 

[shatnershaman]

Still, praise from Yahtzee outranks it all.

What next Chuck Norris?

 

[shatnershaman]

and shit like the craptastic epic that is Halo (shit-load of fuck).

Swear in moderation dude.

 

[mark_n_b]

Junmplion, power to you for admitting you are a sony boy, there is nuthin' wrong with liking a system more than any other one as long as you can admit you have a preference, agree that someone else can reasonably have a different preference, and agree there is bad with the good. Sounds perfectly reasonable, but you would be amazed at how many system fans don't have those qualities.

As for the Sony hate, I am sure you've already noticed in the replies on this thread (not all of which I have gone through) it almost always comes down to only a handful of reasons.

1. Bad PS1 experience that has yet to be forgiven (or similar, I lost a lot of affection for Sony when I bought my PSP on release and didn't get a decent game for the system until two and a half years had passed)

2. Sony is a monolithic corporation, with that comes accusations of poor morals, only caring about making a buck, not giving a crap about fans, stealing (see trophies) etc. same thing happens with the Xbox. Nintendo stays relatively free from it because of their market focus (in reality their corporate machinations are disney level. One of my game design instructors was an EA QA lead, he feared Nintendo).

3. Counter fanboyism. 'nuff said

4. They're popular, the more good stuff there is being said about a company, the more bad stuff comes up as well.

5. Gamers are jaded. This is a community that looks for fault so they can create a funny joke about how much said fault sucks. I generally only read reviews with low scores for that reason. I don't know why good writing and humour cannot be applied to quality, but there it is.

In the end though, for all the hate you see on various forums, 90% of Sony consumers have never seen nor heard any of it, 95% of the population is not really worried about it And 99% of the people who own a PS3 are satisfied with it.

Oh, I don't own a PS3, just finished school, no money.

 

[Jumplion]

All right, i typed a small list of replys to some of the ones i felt i wanted to answer but my computer fucked up (that and i saw Speed Racer at the Doller Theatre, i had 3 seziers and an apiphiny)

Okay let's start.

1. Why would the PS3 have a mic? That would make online even more chaotic like Live, i'm glad that most PS3 users don't have a mic other wise i would hear 10 10-year olds with the voice changer at the LOWEST LEVEL and i wouldn't be able to understand a damn word they would say. Plus, nothing comes complete with everything you need, if you buy a flashlight you better buy a pack of batteries. Plus the 360 has an equal amount of items you need to buy (i believe an HD dvd tray and obvoiously LIVE) so there's hardly an argument there.

2. @x434343: there's something called an iPhone. Maybe you've heard of it? Or maybe you've heard of any other damn phone with a touch screen nowadays. Though i'm not sure if it's a device that's rumored to have a touch screen or a new handheld, but i'd admit that if it's a new handheld console then they've copied a bit too much.

Hmmm, I thout the list would be longer than that. Ah yes! In my HUMBLE opinion, i think trophys are better than achievments because you'd actually have a reason to get them because each trophy gets you to a new trophy level and so on an so forth. Plus, when Home comes out (IF it comes out >_> the trophys will be in public display, and some of them would unlock some cool stuff.

And the whole "Rumble is ttly last-gen!" thing was just a coverup for the legal issues that was happening with Sony and the company that made the Dualshock controllers, and as a result made them eat their words.

Though, my friend has a theory about why Sony is getting this shit from everyone; it's because they are 2nd to do almost everything. Think about it, if the Wii get's let's say "Wiichievments" then would anyone complain? No, they wouldn't because everyone is happy (All consoles have achievment-like awards), no body would say "Well, the Wii is playing catchup!" probably because everyone knows the Wii's limitations. But if Nintendo came out with "Wiichievments" before Sony, nobody would still care because it's Nintendo. Infact there is no doubt in my mind that nobody would care if Nintendo copied off M$. THe MOMENT that Sony would announce their "Trophy" system everyone would say "Oh, Sony's playing catchup! They should stop copying off of everyone!" but nobody would care if it happend to the Wii.

There is no doubt in my mind that that would happen as Sony always get's shit no matter what it is.

But that's enough ranting and conspirasy theory's for me.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

the problem I have with Sony, is that they have questionable morals.

right and m$ is any better? they were convicted of lying about LOTS of stuff and are still being fined for it

Well done for mentioning MS and turning this into another console wars thread mate. Anyway...MS also being morally reprehensible isn't a viable defence for Sony.

no but it's showing that m$ is just as bad if not worse and too many ppl jump on the m$ is great and Sony is bad bandwagon that they forget the person they are cheering for are just as bad if not worse


i'm not saying Sony is totally innocent, they've done some questionable stuff (forcing you to use Sony products, hey it's captialism at it's finest), some mistakes (laptop batteries) and some bad things (the root kit). they do happen to make great products that perform well. i personally know a few ppl who have had to have their 360 replaced, i don't know one person who's had to replace their ps3

everyone just likes to hope on the bash sony bandwagon cause it's popular and cool, i just happen to like a lot of sony stuff and also enjoy playing devil's advocate too