Why so much PC gamer hate recently?

[silenthillXD]

Just give anyone who thinks PC's are for elitists a download for minecraft. That will show them! Anyway, I am a console player myself, partially because I have a mac (so I can't get much), partially because I prefer controllers to a mouse and keyboard (I have no idea why...who cares about pin point accuracy anyway ^^ I like a challenge) and partially because most PC exclusives are ported onto consoles anyway, the only genres which have yet to jump across fully are MMO's and RTS's and I will never be prepared to pay every month for a subscription for just one game, and RTS's in my opinion just aren't fun. So to be honest there is no reason for me to use the PC as a platform, sure some games might run smoother/look better, its just the benefits i gain from the console exclusives just work better for me. To be honest I do hate the STEREOTYPICAL PC gamer, with the whole elitism and console smashing...I just don't get it. Have a preference sure but why be so vocal, its a personal thing anyway.

But before people think I am a troll, let it be known, the normal PC gamer I have no problem with what so ever. And why wouldn't I? Its just the select few who are evil. So why scrutinise a whole group of people because of their chosen platform, its like fanboyism...and god I hate those fanboys!!

Oh yeah could anyone tell me if I could run TF2 on a macbook pro without any new graphics cards on?

 

[mrhateful]

Just give anyone who thinks PC's are for elitists a download for minecraft. That will show them! Anyway, I am a console player myself, partially because I have a mac (so I can't get much), partially because I prefer controllers to a mouse and keyboard (I have no idea why...who cares about pin point accuracy anyway ^^ I like a challenge) and partially because most PC exclusives are ported onto consoles anyway, the only genres which have yet to jump across fully are MMO's and RTS's and I will never be prepared to pay every month for a subscription for just one game, and RTS's in my opinion just aren't fun. So to be honest there is no reason for me to use the PC as a platform, sure some games might run smoother/look better, its just the benefits i gain from the console exclusives just work better for me. To be honest I do hate the STEREOTYPICAL PC gamer, with the whole elitism and console smashing...I just don't get it. Have a preference sure but why be so vocal, its a personal thing anyway.

But before people think I am a troll, let it be known, the normal PC gamer I have no problem with what so ever. And why wouldn't I? Its just the select few who are evil. So why scrutinise a whole group of people because of their chosen platform, its like fanboyism...and god I hate those fanboys!!

Oh yeah could anyone tell me if I could run TF2 on a macbook pro without any new graphics cards on?

Well about MMO's they should really not be classified as games more as hob.... wait a minute you use mac? lol

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

wait a minute you use mac? lol

Hey, don't laugh at macs, they've got dozens of uses...

Paperweight
Footstool
Doorstop
Small Boat Anchor
Blunt Instrument
etc

 

[Laxman9292]

I'm sorry PC Elitists, I really am. As secluded in your shells you plug your ears and yell, "La la la la I can't hear you!". The fact is more and more games are being made with consoles in mind first then getting ported to the PC. It is just the companies trying to appeal to a larger demographic. I understand that when someone messes with your games you get a little testy, I would too. But stop taking it out on fellow gamers just because they play on a console. Stop living in a fantasy world of a bygone (or at least fading) world where PC gamers come first in the eyes of developers. Stop acting like such enormous pricks to fellow gamers about it. ***** about it to devs and people who matter. Saying it to us just makes you into a gigantic douchers. These kind of flame wars would not happen if you guys would just get in line or at least stop being jerks about it. Yes you play on a PC, congratulations, what does saying that accomplish? I eat only the finest caviar, anyone who eats something else is just the worst and has no taste in food at all.... See? It is just making a basic statement that no one else could really care about.

So please, Elitists, stop complaining about something that most of us could care less about. Take it to the makers of your games. It is about time that we all just agree to be gamers, just gamers?

 

[mrhateful]

I'm sorry PC Elitists, I really am. As secluded in your shells you plug your ears and yell, "La la la la I can't hear you!"...........

you should know basic capitalism says that companies create what people want, so you are wrong in saying PC Gamers shouldn't complain to the people... Also what are you talking about pc games are just games ported from consoles?? Was Amnesia ported, was DA2 ported(DA2 was ported from pc to console), was Starcraft 2 ported... maybe its the games your playing that you saw got ported but honestly even if I could play Halo or my little pony or what ever you console players play, I wouldn't want to play them because most of them suck anyway, and leave you no real difficulty other then mashing random buttons and see what happens(how many console fps doesn't have auto aim these days).

 

[Laxman9292]

Uuuuh... I didn't say it wasn't a Bioware game or an RPG, I just expressed my opinion.
Which is: I don't like DA2 as a Bioware game or an RPG, but I still like it
Apart from that I agree with your points.

I must admit I am confused. As a Bioware RPG what do you like it as if not as a Bioware production or an RPG? A series of flashing lights and appealing colors?

 

[mrhateful]

Uuuuh... I didn't say it wasn't a Bioware game or an RPG, I just expressed my opinion.
Which is: I don't like DA2 as a Bioware game or an RPG, but I still like it
Apart from that I agree with your points.

I must admit I am confused. As a Bioware RPG what do you like it as if not as a Bioware production or an RPG? A series of flashing lights and appealing colors?

What I think he means is: Its crap compared to other bioware games or rpgs but that its still an okay game just because bioware rpgs used to be so much better.

 

[Juventus]

because they complain about optional things like fast travel.

get it? people complain about the availability of OPTIONAL fast travel

why?

 

[Netrigan]

I had an interesting experience yesterday, I was on a job taking a photo of a local environmental campaigner. When I noticed he had a recumbent cycle (I know, a big leap that a grassroots greenie would have a recumbent, right?), we got talking about it. He built it himself as most do, then he said, as I have so often heard before, that it was a far superior way of cycling.

Now I'm not a huge cyclist or anything, but I always looked down in recumbent cyclists (ha ha) as smug, nerdy, ridiculous, weirdos, who didn't have a firm grip on reality. Anyway I had time to spare, and he offered me a go on his bike. It was a revelation, it isn't as nimble as a normal bike of course but it was so easy to drive/ride and it was incredibly comfortable. If I could bike commute to work (I need to drive my own car to jobs all day) I would probably think about getting/building myself a recumbent.

I think PC Gamers are recumbent cyclists.

There is always a little bit of smugness about us because we "know" we have a superior machine, especially as the mainstream just don't "get it". We also tend to forget that the things we take for granted like building our own machines, sourcing good deals for parts, overclocking, troubleshooting, and delving into the deeper intricacies of an OS are just not something that the mainstream think about, or think they can do. It makes us think less of them, because that is as integral to our gaming experience as breathing, and becomes second nature yet they find it too hard or incomprehensible.

There is also the legacy of PC Gaming, we remember those awesome games of the past that we love and we don't see anything as intricate or as complex being produced by the large studios. We blame the consoles, when really we should blame parenting and the mass market. I'll get into parenting another time but basically, parents don't want their kids to fail and games follow that trend. Thank goodness for Dwarf Fortress (Uh oh PC elitism). That's a generalisation of course but one I see an overall trend towards. The mass market which of course is driven by the consoles, want to produce games that everyone will like, that everyone can play and that everyone can beat, which ends up giving us samey, non-challenging, non-complex games that can be picked up and played by a slighty dim 12 year old. Because they are aiming for the lowest common denominator to maximise their potential market. The games produced are more suited to the limitations of the console hardware and controllers than the almost limited potential of the PC. This stings in particular because quite a few PC gamers are also PC enthusiasts, who have PC related G.A.S. [footnote=Gear Acquisition Syndrome, where we don't have to upgrade our machines but we do because we like shiny and powerful things] I don't blame consoles for this trend, I blame the money men who drive the industry, and their lack of faith in the ability of gamers to think and learn.

Wow that was a long rant, sorry.

Unlike the bikes, the PC is a superior gaming platform... on paper.

Better graphics, a wealth of controller choices, modding communities, and on and on.

In practice, driver support, hardware conflicts, deceptive system specs, and the like made things a bit complicated for everyone involved.

Once the devs started jumping ship and started using the 360 as the graphical mean, the writing for PC gaming was sort of on the wall. Without the promise of better graphics, without gameplay that draws on the greater number of buttons available to the PC, there's just not a huge reason to keep up the PC Dream of superiority.

I'm glad I went PC instead of console. I'm not really coming from the platformer/fighting/racing game tradition that consoles excelled at, and have been playing the sort of games that are popular now for the last decade and a half.... with better graphics and better controls. I know I missed out on some gems here and there, but I'd put the PC's pre-360 FPS library up against the console's FPS library any day of the week. They may have had Goldeneye, but they're also still clinging to Turok as if that were some sort of classic game. RPG fans can probably rattled off dozens of games as good, if not better, than the best consoles had to offer.

Still, I wouldn't count PC gaming out completely. I think they lost a couple of genres to consoles, but it seems like they've retained the much more lucrative genres. Can't think of a console game that has spawned professional video game teams like Starcraft has done in Korea. It's hard to imagine a console game equaling the revenue of World Of Warcraft. While casual gaming is bridging the gap between PC gamers and smart phone gamers, with Zynga flat-out saying there aren't enough console gamers to make porting their browser games to the 360 worth it. PCs and consoles are both sort of hanging into that realm where they're becoming redundant... but PCs are much more central to people's lives than consoles. Also consoles are much more dependent on AAA gaming, which is where a lot of today's video game uncertainty stems from.

Hmmm, maybe it's the Consolers who are the recumbent bikers

 

[Chibz]

SNIP

Zynga is a plague that is doing nothing but harming gaming at large. It's a very dire & immediate threat. There's little worse than seeing the industry being utterly annihilated...

Also, mind explaining the encumbent biker comparison?

 

[Netrigan]

SNIP

Zynga is a plague that is doing nothing but harming gaming at large. It's a very dire & immediate threat. There's little worse than seeing the industry being utterly annihilated...

Also, mind explaining the encumbent biker comparison?

I don't have a particularly fond opinion of Zynga, but they're definitely kicking around something which is insanely popular.

I took the recumbent bike analogy to be about someone who enjoys a fringe activity, but goes to great lengths to convince people that it's the best way to experience something.

When it comes to AAA gaming, PC Gamers seem to be wearing that crown... but if you look at it from a slightly different angle, PC gaming is far more popular and widespread than console gaming has ever been. Doesn't matter if Halo 3 sold more copies than Half-Life... WoW, Starcraft, and Farmville laugh at such meager achievements.

 

[Chibz]

I don't have a particularly fond opinion of Zynga, but they're definitely kicking around something which is insanely popular.

I took the recumbent bike analogy to be about someone who enjoys a fringe activity, but goes to great lengths to convince people that it's the best way to experience something.

When it comes to AAA gaming, PC Gamers seem to be wearing that crown... but if you look at it from a slightly different angle, PC gaming is far more popular and widespread than console gaming has ever been. Doesn't matter if Halo 3 sold more copies than Half-Life... WoW, Starcraft, and Farmville laugh at such meager achievements.

You seem to have missed the point entirely. Zynga games ARE casual gaming. The success of Zynga (and similar companies) is doing nothing but assist in changing what we think a video game is, in a very real and negative way. WoW does the same thing, but to a MUCH less severe and negative way. Compared to farmville Halo 3's sales is a small achievement in general scale, but really... That's like saying "Releasing a successful type of cold medicine is nothing compared to convincing people that shooting themselves in the foot cures the cold."

 

[Trolldor]

I don't have a particularly fond opinion of Zynga, but they're definitely kicking around something which is insanely popular.

I took the recumbent bike analogy to be about someone who enjoys a fringe activity, but goes to great lengths to convince people that it's the best way to experience something.

When it comes to AAA gaming, PC Gamers seem to be wearing that crown... but if you look at it from a slightly different angle, PC gaming is far more popular and widespread than console gaming has ever been. Doesn't matter if Halo 3 sold more copies than Half-Life... WoW, Starcraft, and Farmville laugh at such meager achievements.

You seem to have missed the point entirely. Zynga games ARE casual gaming. The success of Zynga (and similar companies) is doing nothing but assist in changing what we think a video game is, in a very real and negative way. WoW does the same thing, but to a MUCH less severe and negative way. Compared to farmville Halo 3's sales is a small achievement in general scale, but really... That's like saying "Releasing a successful type of cold medicine is nothing compared to convincing people that shooting themselves in the foot cures the cold."

I lol @ your bland assertions.

Casual Gaming opens the market, it doesn't mean it's going to dominate it.

It's the same thing people say about Newspapers.
"Oh, News Papers are dying out! Ipad and Murdoch all the way lololol!"
Except every week 20 million newspapers are sold in Australia alone. Every week.
And given estimates, there are probably about 50 million readers for those 20 million sold when you consider papers are shared in households, universities, at cafes and some restaurants.

The outside market will grow, will look for different games, but the core market, those hardcore PC gamers, they will make demands and companies will meet them because there will always be a sizeable market looking for a serious, well developed, well made PC game.
Any business which ignores the huge potential of being one of the few minority providers for this market is a shit business.

Also, Next-Gen consoles have the potential to do more damage to gaming than any amount of Zynga.
Achievements are finally maturing, with real, tangible effects on gameplay as opposed to e-cock measuring exercises, but the emphasis for consoles is still around multi-player and social interaction.
Doesn't sound too bad until you realise that what you're sacrificing for these are sustained worlds, rich characters and deep and engaging stories.
New game mechanics, innovations in how we approach games, are going to be shafted for accessability to a wide audience.
A gaming PC is very much an individual piece of hardware. It's for an individual user who wants to play a specific set of games.
A console is built for the family, to play games with friends, it's built for social interaction.

 

[Netrigan]

I don't have a particularly fond opinion of Zynga, but they're definitely kicking around something which is insanely popular.

I took the recumbent bike analogy to be about someone who enjoys a fringe activity, but goes to great lengths to convince people that it's the best way to experience something.

When it comes to AAA gaming, PC Gamers seem to be wearing that crown... but if you look at it from a slightly different angle, PC gaming is far more popular and widespread than console gaming has ever been. Doesn't matter if Halo 3 sold more copies than Half-Life... WoW, Starcraft, and Farmville laugh at such meager achievements.

You seem to have missed the point entirely. Zynga games ARE casual gaming. The success of Zynga (and similar companies) is doing nothing but assist in changing what we think a video game is, in a very real and negative way. WoW does the same thing, but to a MUCH less severe and negative way. Compared to farmville Halo 3's sales is a small achievement in general scale, but really... That's like saying "Releasing a successful type of cold medicine is nothing compared to convincing people that shooting themselves in the foot cures the cold."

Casual gaming is also Angry Birds and Peggle and tons of other really fun games that everyone plays instead of doing something more productive... the Zynga style browser games are just the worst element of the entire trend. But they're also about ten times more mainstream than console gaming is.

Gaming has gone mainstream, but in a way that is completely at odds with how people thought it would go mainstream. As someone once joked, the new face of the hardcore gamer is a middle-age woman who spends several hours a day tending her farm in Farmville.

That we look upon her gaming choices with as much scorn as our mothers looked upon ours does not matter. To tie into my larger over-all point, console gaming is pretty much an expensive hobby. With the rise of casual gaming, video games have gotten cheaper on both the consumer and development side, and have reached a much wider audience. While Zynga is squandering that on skinner box games, it's still just the tip of the blade. The trend is going to continue to develop and we'll likely see much more fun variations on these things before too long.

And don't get me wrong, I'd love to see AAA gaming continue and thrive. I made the switch to consoles from PCs a few years back... and now have three gaming consoles (the NES was the last one I owned before now). But I also recognize the same sort of comic shop nerd elements at play in console gaming. It's either a plaything for the kids or an expensive hobby for adults. I'm not entirely convinced that the console is going to be the vehicle that delivers AAA gaming to a truly wide audience.

 

[EcHoFiiVe]

Well I have always had a stereotype on PC gamers that they are complete snobbish and elitist pricks. This has since changed because I have communicated with the good PC gamers who do not act like that. I think that people just have this stereotype because more often than not, the PC gamers who have this elitist complex feel the need to speak their minds about "console gaming's inferiority" seep through the cracks, and the PC gamers who do not really care and they just play on their computer just do their thing without feeling the need to start a war with people.

 

[Mastercylinder]

Heavy Duty PC people are Jerks. They think more technical games, exclusives and having a keyboard as a control is better. No one should hate PC gaming, just the boasters who make it unnapealing.

 

[Pakkie]

PFFT, Console Elitists....
Seriously though, that's how it is now.
Every fucking thread about games has some sort of "PCfags" or "PC Gamers suck" or "PC games are dying".
I get the sense that a lot of people here generalize all PC gamers as Elitists, I don't see why we shouldn't do the same for console gamers then.

Personally I don't care what you play on, people do what they want.

 

[OutforEC]

Honestly, some games are better on the PC, some games are better with a console. I'd hate to have everyone crowded around my PC trying to play Rock Band, but I'd hate to have to try to play CivIII on my television.

 

[Foxbat Flyer]

Moviebob all the way, he is the one to blame, and i will blame him for all my problems this week (I needed someone to blame anyway)

I think that PC gamers (This includes mac) and console gamers need to come together and evenly split support for both and thus making both equal...

but aslong as there is elitism there will be fighting and PC gamers will always come out on top as usual (jks, lol)

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I know this topic has been posted 1-2 times per year...but honestly, i've been posting in march mayhem and every round theres some post, "escapist is mostly pc gamer this, escpaist is biased etc.."
I'm a pc gamer, but also i own consoles ps3, wii etc...

So why the hate ?

This should answer your question [http://www.prisonexp.org/]; designate your own view on who are the guards and who are the prisoners.

Oh, and on the internet, someone is biased when they don't agree with you. And elitist when they've got friends. Don't put any thought in labels.