Why the Dragon Age 2 hate is GOOD

[Saelune]

the real fans like how it was.

What is a "real fan"

Is that opposed to say, an imaginary fan, that only lives in the dreams of developers?

Well, a real fan. Someone who actually LIKES it. If you dont like a game, then you are not a real fan. Maybe you play it for some reason, friends most likely, but you dont really like it. Im not talking about liking to the point of fanboy/girl, but that you like the game and would just want it to be better so you can like it more. I find when people suggest how to change a game they dont like to one they do, it would make more sense to play SOMETHING ELSE. Dont change the game I like as it was to some different game you probably wont even play just because you dont know when you dont like a style or genre. I dont like country music. I dont say how they could make it better, I just listen to something else.

I am a "real fan" who enjoyed Dragon Origins thoroughly, making over a half dozen characters and playing through all of the DLC. However, I don't have many complaints about Dragon Age 2. I was happy with most of the changes once I got used to them. The combat needed to be pumped up a bit, the companions have subtle differences depending on how you do things, your character has different actions based on how often you use certain forms of dialogue. Hell, I've had cut scenes change because of little things I did before.

Yes, it would be nice to put gear on your companions, however, you can instead keep the profit from selling the excess gear. The game isn't half as bad as all the bitching I keep hearing and I'm a "real fan," a pretentious term if I ever heard one...

Yeah yeah, I use one word and Im pretentious, Cause no one is ever fake. No one ever says they like something when they dont. I am not making any difference between two people who liked a game to different degrees while still liking it. I am saying a real fan is someone who liked it, despite some flaws they may find, compaired to someone who just does not like the game at all, but still feels the game should change for them. I hate sport games, because its about sports and its boring to me. Id rather be killing ogres and getting treasure. Instead of saying Madden should add more ogres, I just go play something with ogres. (Though...there is a football game with a fantasy setting I just remebered as I type this)

 

[mr.mystery]

Wow you couldnt have said it any better. Dragon age two sucked! and I agree with you that it was rushed I hated that I was forced to play some homeless bearded guy. I mean LOOK at him he looks like a hobo!

 

[Necrofudge]

I wouldn't think changing a game to invite a new fan-base is completely bad if done right. Still, that only works if they're throwing in some major alteration that draws in people who've never even heard of the previous games, but still appeals to the hardcore fans that liked the old stuff. (fallout?)

I understand that we should complain or else we won't get good quality games from the industry, but it is a BUSINESS that you're complaining to. They would only listen if the suggestion would bring them greater profit. The lamenting cries of hundreds of thousands of neck-beards, bitching about how much they hate the changes and who will probably buy the game anyway, have little influence on the industries' decisions.

The rest of it I agree with.

[sup](Off topic: anyone else read the entirety of OP's post in the professor's voice?)[/sup]

Hey, that's the reason I didn't like Oblivion!

I don't think all of the dungeons in oblivion were exactly the same (minor variations and whatnot). Then again, I could be wrong. Haven't played it in forever.

 

[WonderWillard]

Eh... I agree that the game might have been a bit rushed (if anything because of the reused dungeon maps/layouts) but I don't think that the entire game suffered because of it. As I'm sure any video game enthusiast out there (trying to drop the word gamer from my vocabulary after that extra punctuation article lol) has seen, a lot of people hate it. But there is also a lot of people who love it. It's not so much a sequel as another game in the Dragon Age universe with nods to its predecessor. I wish that Bioware hadn't simply gone with "Dragon Age 2," and instead did "Dragon Age: Kirkwall" or "Champion" etc. Bioware just made a lot of drastic changes from DA:O, which had this polarizing effect. You can either make endless comparisons to Origins, and proclaim that it is too different to be any good, or you can view the game on its own, and make your decision based on what it has to offer.

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

the real fans like how it was.

What is a "real fan"

Is that opposed to say, an imaginary fan, that only lives in the dreams of developers?

Well, a real fan. Someone who actually LIKES it. If you dont like a game, then you are not a real fan. Maybe you play it for some reason, friends most likely, but you dont really like it. Im not talking about liking to the point of fanboy/girl, but that you like the game and would just want it to be better so you can like it more. I find when people suggest how to change a game they dont like to one they do, it would make more sense to play SOMETHING ELSE. Dont change the game I like as it was to some different game you probably wont even play just because you dont know when you dont like a style or genre. I dont like country music. I dont say how they could make it better, I just listen to something else.

I am a "real fan" who enjoyed Dragon Origins thoroughly, making over a half dozen characters and playing through all of the DLC. However, I don't have many complaints about Dragon Age 2. I was happy with most of the changes once I got used to them. The combat needed to be pumped up a bit, the companions have subtle differences depending on how you do things, your character has different actions based on how often you use certain forms of dialogue. Hell, I've had cut scenes change because of little things I did before.

Yes, it would be nice to put gear on your companions, however, you can instead keep the profit from selling the excess gear. The game isn't half as bad as all the bitching I keep hearing and I'm a "real fan," a pretentious term if I ever heard one...

Yeah yeah, I use one word and Im pretentious, Cause no one is ever fake. No one ever says they like something when they dont. I am not making any difference between two people who liked a game to different degrees while still liking it. I am saying a real fan is someone who liked it, despite some flaws they may find, compaired to someone who just does not like the game at all, but still feels the game should change for them. I hate sport games, because its about sports and its boring to me. Id rather be killing ogres and getting treasure. Instead of saying Madden should add more ogres, I just go play something with ogres. (Though...there is a football game with a fantasy setting I just remebered as I type this)

The use of the phrase is pretentious as it assumes a One True Scotsman Fallacy, ie, if I don't agree with you, I am not a true fan. I liked Origins despite its flaw and enjoyed 2 despite its flaws. Making an insinuation that I am lying to myself is pretentious. Saying that I am not a real fan because I don't agree with you is pretentious.

Also, Ogres and Football have nothing to do with this argument, that is a strawman fallacy.

Simply put, if they like the game, they are a fan. If they do not, they aren't. No "real" needed. I liked a number of the changes, specializations actually feel like you are doing something more than four new skills. I like the changes in combat though I will be a putz and say that I miss cheating in battles like you could in Origins, IE casting spells into rooms before you open the door. I like how my family's appearance changed based on how I shaped my Hawke.

My only real complaint is the map repetition and the fact that I have 120 hours spread over three characters in post game and no new DLC to run them through. I enjoyed both games and I am a "real" fan. I don't feel they changed anything for nonfans, they made a lot of improvements in character interaction and streamlining. Sure, I would like to tailor my companions but fuck it, I am okay with selling all excess armor too.

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

I wouldn't think changing a game to invite a new fan-base is completely bad if done right. Still, that only works if they're throwing in some major alteration that draws in people who've never even heard of the previous games, but still appeals to the hardcore fans that liked the old stuff. (fallout?)

I understand that we should complain or else we won't get good quality games from the industry, but it is a BUSINESS that you're complaining to. They would only listen if the suggestion would bring them greater profit. The lamenting cries of hundreds of thousands of neck-beards, bitching about how much they hate the changes and who will probably buy the game anyway, have little influence on the industries' decisions.

The rest of it I agree with.

[sup](Off topic: anyone else read the entirety of OP's post in the professor's voice?)[/sup]

Hey, that's the reason I didn't like Oblivion!

I don't think all of the dungeons in oblivion were exactly the same (minor variations and whatnot). Then again, I could be wrong. Haven't played it in forever.

They really weren't. A number of them shared similar architectural design because they were built by the same race but the maps were wildly different in a number of them.

 

[Saelune]

the real fans like how it was.

What is a "real fan"

Is that opposed to say, an imaginary fan, that only lives in the dreams of developers?

Well, a real fan. Someone who actually LIKES it. If you dont like a game, then you are not a real fan. Maybe you play it for some reason, friends most likely, but you dont really like it. Im not talking about liking to the point of fanboy/girl, but that you like the game and would just want it to be better so you can like it more. I find when people suggest how to change a game they dont like to one they do, it would make more sense to play SOMETHING ELSE. Dont change the game I like as it was to some different game you probably wont even play just because you dont know when you dont like a style or genre. I dont like country music. I dont say how they could make it better, I just listen to something else.

I am a "real fan" who enjoyed Dragon Origins thoroughly, making over a half dozen characters and playing through all of the DLC. However, I don't have many complaints about Dragon Age 2. I was happy with most of the changes once I got used to them. The combat needed to be pumped up a bit, the companions have subtle differences depending on how you do things, your character has different actions based on how often you use certain forms of dialogue. Hell, I've had cut scenes change because of little things I did before.

Yes, it would be nice to put gear on your companions, however, you can instead keep the profit from selling the excess gear. The game isn't half as bad as all the bitching I keep hearing and I'm a "real fan," a pretentious term if I ever heard one...

Yeah yeah, I use one word and Im pretentious, Cause no one is ever fake. No one ever says they like something when they dont. I am not making any difference between two people who liked a game to different degrees while still liking it. I am saying a real fan is someone who liked it, despite some flaws they may find, compaired to someone who just does not like the game at all, but still feels the game should change for them. I hate sport games, because its about sports and its boring to me. Id rather be killing ogres and getting treasure. Instead of saying Madden should add more ogres, I just go play something with ogres. (Though...there is a football game with a fantasy setting I just remebered as I type this)

The use of the phrase is pretentious as it assumes a One True Scotsman Fallacy, ie, if I don't agree with you, I am not a true fan. I liked Origins despite its flaw and enjoyed 2 despite its flaws. Making an insinuation that I am lying to myself is pretentious. Saying that I am not a real fan because I don't agree with you is pretentious.

Also, Ogres and Football have nothing to do with this argument, that is a strawman fallacy.

Simply put, if they like the game, they are a fan. If they do not, they aren't. No "real" needed. I liked a number of the changes, specializations actually feel like you are doing something more than four new skills. I like the changes in combat though I will be a putz and say that I miss cheating in battles like you could in Origins, IE casting spells into rooms before you open the door. I like how my family's appearance changed based on how I shaped my Hawke.

My only real complaint is the map repetition and the fact that I have 120 hours spread over three characters in post game and no new DLC to run them through. I enjoyed both games and I am a "real" fan. I don't feel they changed anything for nonfans, they made a lot of improvements in character interaction and streamlining. Sure, I would like to tailor my companions but fuck it, I am okay with selling all excess armor too.

So stuck everyone is on that one word. Dont like it, remove it. Then re-read it. Thats my point. The real put in was not something I intentionally put to make a specific "pretentious" point. I typed one extra word in a poor way and now everyone is missing my point. I agree, if you like the game you are a fan, if not, then not. But guess what, sometimes people say they are something they are not. But fine, focus on one badly placed word if you want.

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

the real fans like how it was.

What is a "real fan"

Is that opposed to say, an imaginary fan, that only lives in the dreams of developers?

Well, a real fan. Someone who actually LIKES it. If you dont like a game, then you are not a real fan. Maybe you play it for some reason, friends most likely, but you dont really like it. Im not talking about liking to the point of fanboy/girl, but that you like the game and would just want it to be better so you can like it more. I find when people suggest how to change a game they dont like to one they do, it would make more sense to play SOMETHING ELSE. Dont change the game I like as it was to some different game you probably wont even play just because you dont know when you dont like a style or genre. I dont like country music. I dont say how they could make it better, I just listen to something else.

I am a "real fan" who enjoyed Dragon Origins thoroughly, making over a half dozen characters and playing through all of the DLC. However, I don't have many complaints about Dragon Age 2. I was happy with most of the changes once I got used to them. The combat needed to be pumped up a bit, the companions have subtle differences depending on how you do things, your character has different actions based on how often you use certain forms of dialogue. Hell, I've had cut scenes change because of little things I did before.

Yes, it would be nice to put gear on your companions, however, you can instead keep the profit from selling the excess gear. The game isn't half as bad as all the bitching I keep hearing and I'm a "real fan," a pretentious term if I ever heard one...

Yeah yeah, I use one word and Im pretentious, Cause no one is ever fake. No one ever says they like something when they dont. I am not making any difference between two people who liked a game to different degrees while still liking it. I am saying a real fan is someone who liked it, despite some flaws they may find, compaired to someone who just does not like the game at all, but still feels the game should change for them. I hate sport games, because its about sports and its boring to me. Id rather be killing ogres and getting treasure. Instead of saying Madden should add more ogres, I just go play something with ogres. (Though...there is a football game with a fantasy setting I just remebered as I type this)

The use of the phrase is pretentious as it assumes a One True Scotsman Fallacy, ie, if I don't agree with you, I am not a true fan. I liked Origins despite its flaw and enjoyed 2 despite its flaws. Making an insinuation that I am lying to myself is pretentious. Saying that I am not a real fan because I don't agree with you is pretentious.

Also, Ogres and Football have nothing to do with this argument, that is a strawman fallacy.

Simply put, if they like the game, they are a fan. If they do not, they aren't. No "real" needed. I liked a number of the changes, specializations actually feel like you are doing something more than four new skills. I like the changes in combat though I will be a putz and say that I miss cheating in battles like you could in Origins, IE casting spells into rooms before you open the door. I like how my family's appearance changed based on how I shaped my Hawke.

My only real complaint is the map repetition and the fact that I have 120 hours spread over three characters in post game and no new DLC to run them through. I enjoyed both games and I am a "real" fan. I don't feel they changed anything for nonfans, they made a lot of improvements in character interaction and streamlining. Sure, I would like to tailor my companions but fuck it, I am okay with selling all excess armor too.

So stuck everyone is on that one word. Dont like it, remove it. Then re-read it. Thats my point. The real put in was not something I intentionally put to make a specific "pretentious" point. I typed one extra word in a poor way and now everyone is missing my point. I agree, if you like the game you are a fan, if not, then not. But guess what, sometimes people say they are something they are not. But fine, focus on one badly placed word if you want.

The problem with your point is that you're accusing those who like the changes of lying because they don't share your view. Hell, most of what I can get out of your post is you are pissed that they changed the game because of... People self deluding themselves into thinking they like a game but want it changed into another game. You make it sound like a conspiracy, dude.

 

[CleverCover]

I have to agree that it was streamlined, and that some things were changed for the worse. My main gripe is the inventory system. To draw in people who are too impatient to equip gear to every member of your party, they just make it so you can't, a la Mass Effect 2. I'd hate to see things like this continue as a trend.

Oh MY FREAKING God thissssss. I hated that in ME2 as well. Your boobs, Jack, shouldn't be able to repel missles. >.>

I'm pretty freaking sure Bioware that this armor I found would do a hell of a lot more in the damage reduction department than having to run around looking in chests for the "oh look a new single part of your costume and I hope it makes a difference 'cuz I sure as hell can't tell". Not like it makes a difference. All I need is to up health and Carver fights Rock monsters just as well even without a single upgrade.

And I dislike having to go to the person's homebase to give a person a gift. If he's in my freaking party, I should be able to hand over a freaking necklace without going through a loading screen. It's like they took away the simple stuff from Origins when scouting for the bad. Simple isn't bad.

'breathes through nose' >.>

 

[Indecipherable]

He/she/it just wants their opinion to be that of 'a real fan' and then use this definition to dismiss any other opininos. They aren't real fans.

 

[Saelune]

the real fans like how it was.

What is a "real fan"

Is that opposed to say, an imaginary fan, that only lives in the dreams of developers?

Well, a real fan. Someone who actually LIKES it. If you dont like a game, then you are not a real fan. Maybe you play it for some reason, friends most likely, but you dont really like it. Im not talking about liking to the point of fanboy/girl, but that you like the game and would just want it to be better so you can like it more. I find when people suggest how to change a game they dont like to one they do, it would make more sense to play SOMETHING ELSE. Dont change the game I like as it was to some different game you probably wont even play just because you dont know when you dont like a style or genre. I dont like country music. I dont say how they could make it better, I just listen to something else.

I am a "real fan" who enjoyed Dragon Origins thoroughly, making over a half dozen characters and playing through all of the DLC. However, I don't have many complaints about Dragon Age 2. I was happy with most of the changes once I got used to them. The combat needed to be pumped up a bit, the companions have subtle differences depending on how you do things, your character has different actions based on how often you use certain forms of dialogue. Hell, I've had cut scenes change because of little things I did before.

Yes, it would be nice to put gear on your companions, however, you can instead keep the profit from selling the excess gear. The game isn't half as bad as all the bitching I keep hearing and I'm a "real fan," a pretentious term if I ever heard one...

Yeah yeah, I use one word and Im pretentious, Cause no one is ever fake. No one ever says they like something when they dont. I am not making any difference between two people who liked a game to different degrees while still liking it. I am saying a real fan is someone who liked it, despite some flaws they may find, compaired to someone who just does not like the game at all, but still feels the game should change for them. I hate sport games, because its about sports and its boring to me. Id rather be killing ogres and getting treasure. Instead of saying Madden should add more ogres, I just go play something with ogres. (Though...there is a football game with a fantasy setting I just remebered as I type this)

The use of the phrase is pretentious as it assumes a One True Scotsman Fallacy, ie, if I don't agree with you, I am not a true fan. I liked Origins despite its flaw and enjoyed 2 despite its flaws. Making an insinuation that I am lying to myself is pretentious. Saying that I am not a real fan because I don't agree with you is pretentious.

Also, Ogres and Football have nothing to do with this argument, that is a strawman fallacy.

Simply put, if they like the game, they are a fan. If they do not, they aren't. No "real" needed. I liked a number of the changes, specializations actually feel like you are doing something more than four new skills. I like the changes in combat though I will be a putz and say that I miss cheating in battles like you could in Origins, IE casting spells into rooms before you open the door. I like how my family's appearance changed based on how I shaped my Hawke.

My only real complaint is the map repetition and the fact that I have 120 hours spread over three characters in post game and no new DLC to run them through. I enjoyed both games and I am a "real" fan. I don't feel they changed anything for nonfans, they made a lot of improvements in character interaction and streamlining. Sure, I would like to tailor my companions but fuck it, I am okay with selling all excess armor too.

So stuck everyone is on that one word. Dont like it, remove it. Then re-read it. Thats my point. The real put in was not something I intentionally put to make a specific "pretentious" point. I typed one extra word in a poor way and now everyone is missing my point. I agree, if you like the game you are a fan, if not, then not. But guess what, sometimes people say they are something they are not. But fine, focus on one badly placed word if you want.

The problem with your point is that you're accusing those who like the changes of lying because they don't share your view. Hell, most of what I can get out of your post is you are pissed that they changed the game because of... People self deluding themselves into thinking they like a game but want it changed into another game. You make it sound like a conspiracy, dude.

Im saying if you dont like the game from the start, then your view matters atleast less than those of people who do like the game. And dont call me dude.

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

the real fans like how it was.

What is a "real fan"

Is that opposed to say, an imaginary fan, that only lives in the dreams of developers?

Well, a real fan. Someone who actually LIKES it. If you dont like a game, then you are not a real fan. Maybe you play it for some reason, friends most likely, but you dont really like it. Im not talking about liking to the point of fanboy/girl, but that you like the game and would just want it to be better so you can like it more. I find when people suggest how to change a game they dont like to one they do, it would make more sense to play SOMETHING ELSE. Dont change the game I like as it was to some different game you probably wont even play just because you dont know when you dont like a style or genre. I dont like country music. I dont say how they could make it better, I just listen to something else.

I am a "real fan" who enjoyed Dragon Origins thoroughly, making over a half dozen characters and playing through all of the DLC. However, I don't have many complaints about Dragon Age 2. I was happy with most of the changes once I got used to them. The combat needed to be pumped up a bit, the companions have subtle differences depending on how you do things, your character has different actions based on how often you use certain forms of dialogue. Hell, I've had cut scenes change because of little things I did before.

Yes, it would be nice to put gear on your companions, however, you can instead keep the profit from selling the excess gear. The game isn't half as bad as all the bitching I keep hearing and I'm a "real fan," a pretentious term if I ever heard one...

Yeah yeah, I use one word and Im pretentious, Cause no one is ever fake. No one ever says they like something when they dont. I am not making any difference between two people who liked a game to different degrees while still liking it. I am saying a real fan is someone who liked it, despite some flaws they may find, compaired to someone who just does not like the game at all, but still feels the game should change for them. I hate sport games, because its about sports and its boring to me. Id rather be killing ogres and getting treasure. Instead of saying Madden should add more ogres, I just go play something with ogres. (Though...there is a football game with a fantasy setting I just remebered as I type this)

The use of the phrase is pretentious as it assumes a One True Scotsman Fallacy, ie, if I don't agree with you, I am not a true fan. I liked Origins despite its flaw and enjoyed 2 despite its flaws. Making an insinuation that I am lying to myself is pretentious. Saying that I am not a real fan because I don't agree with you is pretentious.

Also, Ogres and Football have nothing to do with this argument, that is a strawman fallacy.

Simply put, if they like the game, they are a fan. If they do not, they aren't. No "real" needed. I liked a number of the changes, specializations actually feel like you are doing something more than four new skills. I like the changes in combat though I will be a putz and say that I miss cheating in battles like you could in Origins, IE casting spells into rooms before you open the door. I like how my family's appearance changed based on how I shaped my Hawke.

My only real complaint is the map repetition and the fact that I have 120 hours spread over three characters in post game and no new DLC to run them through. I enjoyed both games and I am a "real" fan. I don't feel they changed anything for nonfans, they made a lot of improvements in character interaction and streamlining. Sure, I would like to tailor my companions but fuck it, I am okay with selling all excess armor too.

So stuck everyone is on that one word. Dont like it, remove it. Then re-read it. Thats my point. The real put in was not something I intentionally put to make a specific "pretentious" point. I typed one extra word in a poor way and now everyone is missing my point. I agree, if you like the game you are a fan, if not, then not. But guess what, sometimes people say they are something they are not. But fine, focus on one badly placed word if you want.

The problem with your point is that you're accusing those who like the changes of lying because they don't share your view. Hell, most of what I can get out of your post is you are pissed that they changed the game because of... People self deluding themselves into thinking they like a game but want it changed into another game. You make it sound like a conspiracy, dude.

Im saying if you dont like the game from the start, then your view matters atleast less than those of people who do like the game. And dont call me dude.

So basically you are making a non-point. Good to know, later slick.

 

[Saelune]

Alright. Im done. You all want to get so stuck up on one stupid word I did not even mean, fine. I apparently am just a stuck up pretentious "it" that hates all who disagree. After the, what, 4th person who cant get beyond the word "real" I find I can no longer deal with arguing with any of you. Its one thing to disagree with me, but another to force a point in my argument thats not even there.

 

[Indecipherable]

Alright. Im done. You all want to get so stuck up on one stupid word I did not even mean, fine. I apparently am just a stuck up pretentious "it" that hates all who disagree. After the, what, 4th person who cant get beyond the word "real" I find I can no longer deal with arguing with any of you. Its one thing to disagree with me, but another to force a point in my argument thats not even there.

You seem to think that because you played the first game then it should entitle your opinion to be of greater weight and you should be catered to in future releases. That is why people are accusing you of being pretentious.

 

[Saelune]

Alright. Im done. You all want to get so stuck up on one stupid word I did not even mean, fine. I apparently am just a stuck up pretentious "it" that hates all who disagree. After the, what, 4th person who cant get beyond the word "real" I find I can no longer deal with arguing with any of you. Its one thing to disagree with me, but another to force a point in my argument thats not even there.

You seem to think that because you played the first game then it should entitle your opinion to be of greater weight and you should be catered to in future releases. That is why people are accusing you of being pretentious.

Then I guess I am, because you, though offended me with your it comment, made my point more coherant. Yes, that is what Im saying, essentially. Ofcourse, if that does make me pretentious, then I ask now, why? Am I really wrong for thinking that? Woudlnt it make sense to trust more in the view of someone more experienced with something than someone less so? Certainly it must bug gamers when non gamers suggest banning violent games when they dont play them to begin with becaused they dont understand them as well if at all.

 

[[Gavo]]

Nice little thing going on, I completely agree with the OP.

 

[Harry Mason]

Sorry, I don't understand the hate. Throwing a fit because your favored genre has been opened up to a larger "action game" audience just seems petty.

*Looks at Silent Hill collection*
-Smiles-
*Looks at Dead Space 2*
-Horrible frown of realization-

Wait.. No! Don't let homogenized action gaming ruin your genre! I don't like RPGs, but RUN AWAY! NOW! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!! Bar the gates! Set lookouts for casual gamers at the fortress walls!

Take it from me! Take it from US! TAKE IT FROM THOSE WHO HAVE SUFFERED BEFORE YOU!!!
TAKE IT FROM THE SURVIVAL HORROR GAMERS!!! AAAAAHHHH!!!!!

 

[SNIPERFOX ft. Harry P.Ness]

most fanatics are whing that the combat is too fast!
what?
so they want to go back to:



monster: grr. i am an enemy.
you:lo i have been struck.
monster:i shal now patiently wait for you to plan your attack, fill out the forms for defending myself etc
you: i have filled out the succesive paperwork. i shall now strike you
minster: very well, as i have not completed my paperwork on time, you have a 5:1 chance to kill me.

*your atack misses*


repeat the prcess. for me, i like all the new characters and the new combat system, in fact i only find the combat and the much better dialouge tree different. i also remember the game getting 9/10 in most magazines & reviews!
the only hat i see is fanboys whining:

wahh the combat is too fast! as in:

monster: grr i am an-*hack chop slash cut stab mutilayte burn slash dismember dicapitate* OH JESUS GOD HOLY MARY MOTER OF GOD HAVE MERCY ON THIS MON-----*more hacking chopping slashing maming & decapitating*


you: sweet 10 Xp and loot!

 

[Young Nasa]

Dragon Age 2 is better than Dragon Age 1, alot of people think so....there is an illusion of hate, just like all the people who so called "hate" call of duty Modern Warefare too, thus with little to no change, Black Ops comes out and is the best selling game of all time. Thats because TRUE gamers love games like Modern Warefare and the Call of Duty franchises because it diversifies our hobby to others and make it more accessible.

You can HATE or give an "illusion" of hate, but there is one fact in life that is true "men and women lie....numbers hold truth"....Dragon Age sells, I bought the game twice cuz I bought it for my friend who never ever played an RPG and he's on his third play through, now he went and bought dragon age 1....

You see, these developers are WAY smarter than you think...you make the first game a CULT hit, u steer in the masses with a popular brand and make it ACCESSIBLE...You throw in a great expansion pack between the 2nd and the third to make it seem like ur "listening to ur cult base while still making it accessible" to test the waters of how ur gonna make the third....

And then, u make the 3rd game with the fighting engine, design style, and main character focus of the 2nd game, and u add the sense of adventure and scale for the first game....BAM u got the cry baby ***** running back saying "THIS IS WHAT DRAGON AGE SUPPOSE TO BE LIKE" and u got the people who grew fond of the game more willing to play something more hardcore cuz they fans of the series....

 

[Icehearted]

All of this implies that they believe they did wrong and the consumer isn't just being obtuse. I know people in this business directly, and all too often I hear stories about how the money angle overshadows the consumer angle, and we end up with crap and are put down because we "don't get it".