if you play ME2 on a harder difficulty, you shal find jack has a strong barrier, and when it goes, she always dies.CleverCover said:
Why the Dragon Age 2 hate is GOOD
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Agreed with the title, not with the content.
I like how a few people on the internet get angry about this game, for no good or explainable reason other than a self-righteous holier-than-thou attitude. It really exposes the bad seeds in the gaming community these days, and I hope developers will now finally see what kind of audience are the actual lovers of gaming.
I like how a few people on the internet get angry about this game, for no good or explainable reason other than a self-righteous holier-than-thou attitude. It really exposes the bad seeds in the gaming community these days, and I hope developers will now finally see what kind of audience are the actual lovers of gaming.
wow, you know you can edit your appearance yeh? and no one was "forcing" you to do anythingmr.mystery said:
Oh hello there, you seem to love oblivion but not morrowind do you?mireko said:
Well let me put it to you this way, Bethesda makes sequels divisive enough that people would argue which is better the prequel or the sequel, morrowind and oblivion in this case.
But zenimax are not assholes of publishers so far so I believe skyrim would be more of the same, i.e. better gameplay and almost everything better than its prequel(the reason I said almost is writing which in both oblivion and F3 is .... eugh)
One, as a person who played thru the game and know the lore, the game makes a lot of incredible references to both Dragon Age 1 and Awakening EventsMonicro said:
Oh and even the Morrigan Expansion pack events....oh and its a reason why Flemeth is still alive....
I mean its so much shyt that this game reveals that was unanswered in Origins (you ever wondered what happened with u and morrigans child if u so chosed to let Morrigan let the dragon's spirit go into it?)
Those reasons alone is reason to play the game all the way thru to see if questions were answered...but obviously I can tell that nobody here finished the game, at all....
Wait? What? True gamers? as in the thousands of gamers who have been playing games for 10-20+ years who cant stand Call of duty or shooters at all are false gamers? I will choose to think that was just worded poorly and not an insult to a very large portion of the gaming community.Young Nasa said:
Look, I get what your trying to drive at, and to some extent yes that is a semi logical development path. However I really dont think people are bitching about dragon age 2 because its more accessible or different than origins. People are bitching about 2 predominantly because its an unfinished game, and its substantially below the level of writing that gave bioware the notoriety that it has garnered in the last 10 years that from a narrative standpoint really does not give the player a lot of incentive to keep playing or care about the chars. If that is what you mean by making it accessible, then I wont bother playing another installment.
Games can't get better without criticism. Not all of it is going to be constructive, but if they swim through enough of it, they'll find consistent themes. Expressing a negative opinion doesn't automatically make you a hater.
Criticism is very important. Dragon Age 2 did have issues, and I feel it was rather rushed. If a company does this, they deserve to be critiqued, so they can learn from their follies.
Hate on the other hand is not good. Hate comes off as stupid and uninspired, dribble from the foaming of a mad dog. Developers won't learn from this, they just see a bunch of angry idiots.
So critique games all you please, hell nitpick, every little bit counts, but don't bash a game wholeheartedly for it's errors.
Hate on the other hand is not good. Hate comes off as stupid and uninspired, dribble from the foaming of a mad dog. Developers won't learn from this, they just see a bunch of angry idiots.
So critique games all you please, hell nitpick, every little bit counts, but don't bash a game wholeheartedly for it's errors.
My thing is they are saying that this game felt unfinished, as compared to what? Name another game other than Origins that you are comparing it to....then call it unfinished...its a fully featured RPG...
Nope, not in the slightest. Ill tell you a little secret. I am a hateful uncaring (albeit eloquent) prick. I dont care in the slightest for how Anders accepted a demon thinking it was a good thing and then cant cope when he finds out hes wrong. I dont care about brother/sister who constantly frowns on you for looking badly on apostates and then accepts their fate as shes taken back to the circle. I dont care about anything out of Varrics mouth as he is insanely grating on my nerves. I could go on, but to do so would be pointless. I simply dont care about whining human drama. Honestly there are points in the narrative that try to draw you in on an emotional level but it comes off with all the sincerity of reality tv.Young Nasa said:
Now, I am not saying the story is bad. Just like I would not say Pride and Prejudice is a bad book. I just cannot be troubled to give a shit to read it. After playing 40 plus hours into DA2 I really did not care about the chars. And I hate to break it to you, but its not just my opinion because I have already seen too many reviews that say essentially the same thing in a more polite and politically correct fashion.
Im sorry if I might have misinterpreted what you were trying to get at, Trollish is like a 4th language to me. You might not be a troll, but your reaction sounds very much like it.
Im not actually sure how you can deny the game was rushed. Its obvious in so many areas. Ive played through the game twice so no using that excuse on me.Young Nasa said:
Its been streamlined in a lot of ways, for better of for worse. But you're saying the story-telling is better then DA:O? No, just no.
Dragon Age 2 has good ideas and plots, but their actual execution is terrible (For Bioware anyways, for others it'd be pretty decent imo). From some instances of horrible voice acting (Im looking at you Orianna from Fenris' storyline) to just some bad dialogue writing.
One instance in particular I remember is going to stop a group of Apostates that were summoning demons into people. There was no way I could take it seriously after listening to it. Nor am I alone in that regard. My friends agreed too (See? I can use that argument too).
With the exception of the key points in the story, which makes sense, its very sub-par given Biowares track record.
And to pick out a few of your points, namely the cutscenes changing and your actions affecting your siblings. The cutscenes changing depending on your class? How is that actually special? It doesn't change anything other then show you a new little cutscene that makes next to no difference. And there are several instances where this SHOULD have been applied (Such as always throwing a knife at a skeleton when rescuing your mother regardless of class) where it wasn't.
And for the siblings? The only real impact it has on the story is which side they're on at the end of the game. For most of the time it wont be affecting you in any major way, and given how little effort was given into actually making them likeable..
Being a huge fan of DA:O...I feel DA2 is amazing with extremely lazy design.
Some of the hate for this game is valid...but when it comes down to it, DA2 is simply a lot more fun to play than DA:O. The gameplay (for me) is all that matters and that's where DA2 shines.
'Simplifying' needless mechanics of potions/runes/poisons was a great idea. Removing some equipment slots from NPC's was also a fine decision since you have to work to improve those pieces. This gives them a gaming element as well. You could use that concept for all character equipment slots and this game would still fit nicely in the RPG genre (although I'm sure fans would hate it all the more).
The idea of monster waves is an excellent one for this franchise. I feel it suits the DA world beautifully. They just went way overboard on it in DA2. Nearly every battle has waves...and the waves tend to spawn rather than run in from other rooms/areas. I think the hate comes mostly from the spawning...but that's an easy fix. You could even have the enemies calling for reinforcements with horns and the like to help justify the action.
The main complaint that is incredibly fair is the recycled maps. This is just flat out lazy and really takes away from what is otherwise an excellent product with only minor gripes.
Some of the hate for this game is valid...but when it comes down to it, DA2 is simply a lot more fun to play than DA:O. The gameplay (for me) is all that matters and that's where DA2 shines.
'Simplifying' needless mechanics of potions/runes/poisons was a great idea. Removing some equipment slots from NPC's was also a fine decision since you have to work to improve those pieces. This gives them a gaming element as well. You could use that concept for all character equipment slots and this game would still fit nicely in the RPG genre (although I'm sure fans would hate it all the more).
The idea of monster waves is an excellent one for this franchise. I feel it suits the DA world beautifully. They just went way overboard on it in DA2. Nearly every battle has waves...and the waves tend to spawn rather than run in from other rooms/areas. I think the hate comes mostly from the spawning...but that's an easy fix. You could even have the enemies calling for reinforcements with horns and the like to help justify the action.
The main complaint that is incredibly fair is the recycled maps. This is just flat out lazy and really takes away from what is otherwise an excellent product with only minor gripes.
1. Criticism is a good thing, and it's definitely our responsibility as consumers to call out companies who make mistakes.
2. In order to be effective, criticism needs to be constructive and coherent. Threats, profanity, and a complete disregard for grammar and/or spelling tend to take some of the wind out of a person's argument.
2. In order to be effective, criticism needs to be constructive and coherent. Threats, profanity, and a complete disregard for grammar and/or spelling tend to take some of the wind out of a person's argument.
Young Nasa said:
I'm getting on the flame bandwagon right here. Why say people didn't play the game? Is it because you just can't picture someone having an opposing view compared to you?
Imagine for a moment that you are a parent, would you let your kid run through highways and hack up animals if you cared about him/her? If we don't say something it will not get the opportunity to get a second look to see what did and didn't work.
Going through my second playthrough right now and I personally think its the worst thing I've seen Bioware put out since I've started with them. It doesn't mean I'm just some angry troll out there to bad-mouth the game of the dev team or the publishers. I just didn't like choices pursued in the second game.
I didn't think the frame narrative works in a situation where you are supposed to have some semblance of choice, I didn't feel invested in the characters one way or the other. As much as I love to bash on FFXIII I can at least say I gave a fuck about those characters, in that I wanted them to go to a very special place in hell. I loved the cast of DA:O, I get you can't win them all though.
I liked the changes in ME2, but that is partially because they never really tried to sell the idea that this was a return to the age of bygones past. Games touted as the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate don't really have that luxury.
The nuts and the bolts of the game are there indeed, but it doesn't grow beyond the sum of its parts in the ways that their previous titles have. Ultimately I just hope this was simply a learning mistake and not a death nail in the IP because I KNOW they can do much better than this.
PS- A lot of the appearances of characters from Origins and Awakenings were merely shout outs to fans, yes I squealed like a baby when Alistair said Swooping is bad, But that is hardly the "incredible references" that you mention. Now kindly pull your head out of the sand and join us in the grown up table for some purely objective criticism with no childish name calling.
I find the complaint about reused assets completely valid. However, the waves of enemies as an indicator of an unfinished game doesn't make much sense to me. Furthermore, this is the first I've read of someone complaining that their issue with the game is that it is rushed. Complaints are otherwise of the "I liked this and that in Dragon Age or Baldur's Gate. It is different, in even the most superficial sense, in Dragon Age 2, so now the game is less than trash.". Those are not complaints that are going to solicit anything but annoyance. Hell, I felt that the first Dragon Age was a bland and padded experience compared to pretty much every Bioware game I had played before.
I agree that the game could have done with some additional time in development. But it would not have changed that fact that most complaints are of the "they changed it, now it sucks" variety.
Lastly, the incessant assumptions on the motivations for decisions and internal going-ons of the company has made it very difficult to maintain a civil tone here, sorry if I come across as crass.
I agree that the game could have done with some additional time in development. But it would not have changed that fact that most complaints are of the "they changed it, now it sucks" variety.
Lastly, the incessant assumptions on the motivations for decisions and internal going-ons of the company has made it very difficult to maintain a civil tone here, sorry if I come across as crass.
More like a throw back to KOTOR. If it had party member death, full stealth, didnt have auto healing or level scaling, had a real clock time/calendar with day and night and weather, and six party members then you could say it was a throw back to BG.Sabiancym said: