I don't hate it. If anything, I love the CoD franchise. I think this comes from the fact that I have yet to pay more than a 6 dollar rental fee for one since Call Of Duty 2.
Why the Hatred for Black Ops?
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I thought that single player was alright but nothing spectacular. for me story wise, it was MW1>MW2>BO>WAW>MW3*
*I'm currently playing through MW3 right now but the story is just soooooo stupid right now. Like it's unbelievable how dumb it is. Not only that but they are jumping between two ridiculous plot lines so much that I get lost a bit.
OT:however all said and done, I think that it is a combination of deteriorating story telling and an aging engine. After a few years of this the engine is REALLY showing it's age. no amount of tweaking will change the fact that they are using an engine that is 6-7 years old. On top of that the developers are sacrificing story for multiplayer. The story in MW1 was so new and interesting at the time with plot twists in all the right places. MW2 was far fetched but still good, after that though, the series just went down as soon as the two main writers and developers left IF. and even more, the fact that the actually reuse same buildings and structures from previous games is terrible. most companies take at least 2 and a half years to bring out a sequel in order to add in new engines, features, and actually work on a story...
so long story short: 6-7 year old engine+bad storytelling+short development time = HATE
*I'm currently playing through MW3 right now but the story is just soooooo stupid right now. Like it's unbelievable how dumb it is. Not only that but they are jumping between two ridiculous plot lines so much that I get lost a bit.
OT:however all said and done, I think that it is a combination of deteriorating story telling and an aging engine. After a few years of this the engine is REALLY showing it's age. no amount of tweaking will change the fact that they are using an engine that is 6-7 years old. On top of that the developers are sacrificing story for multiplayer. The story in MW1 was so new and interesting at the time with plot twists in all the right places. MW2 was far fetched but still good, after that though, the series just went down as soon as the two main writers and developers left IF. and even more, the fact that the actually reuse same buildings and structures from previous games is terrible. most companies take at least 2 and a half years to bring out a sequel in order to add in new engines, features, and actually work on a story...
so long story short: 6-7 year old engine+bad storytelling+short development time = HATE
The norm response you'll get here is "Its the same game" But Im one of the people that thinks Black Ops is really good.
1) The single player story was a little interesting for once.
2) The multiplayer is the best it ever was before, and has been even after Mw3 came out.
3) The weapons actually feel different from each other and not a copy paste job with stat changes.
The hate from Black Ops comes from the hate of COD as a whole, not that this one game was actually bad.
1) The single player story was a little interesting for once.
2) The multiplayer is the best it ever was before, and has been even after Mw3 came out.
3) The weapons actually feel different from each other and not a copy paste job with stat changes.
The hate from Black Ops comes from the hate of COD as a whole, not that this one game was actually bad.
I played the living hell out of BlOps and loved every moment of it. Not my favourite game ever, or even in my top ten, but it was loads of fun for me. I'm not a "shooter person," but the newer Call of Duty games were quite fun. Modern Warfare 1 was kind of unique and I liked it, Modern Warfare the second refined the mechanics a bit and I loved it, and Black Ops was kinda more of the latter. But I've not picked up Modern Warfare 3 (or have any intention ever to do so) and won't be getting any future games under the name, either. I've had my fill, is all. Unless they do something akin to MW1 again, I don't need any more.
I think there's two main reasons for the vocal dislike of Black Ops (which is actually rather tiny): people just like to be different and an easy way to do that is to vocally declare your disliking or indifference to a much beloved franchise; and people like to appear "the most" of something, such as the most hardcore, or the most well read, so when something isn't quite the same as the previous games, people want to show others how "most into Call of Duty" they are and detest it.
I think there's two main reasons for the vocal dislike of Black Ops (which is actually rather tiny): people just like to be different and an easy way to do that is to vocally declare your disliking or indifference to a much beloved franchise; and people like to appear "the most" of something, such as the most hardcore, or the most well read, so when something isn't quite the same as the previous games, people want to show others how "most into Call of Duty" they are and detest it.
Download one dlc, and you get all the previous WaW zombie maps, making it better than World at War in terms of zombies. Point refuted. Also theres a DLC where you play as Danny Trejo.
Personally the weapon upgrading is a TRILLION times better than the previous cods were you had to farm points with specific weapons to get gear in a linear progression. F DAT SHIT. Black ops you could buy whatever you had the points for. Yea there were level restrictions but after playing a while it wasn't ever an issue.
The hundreds of multiplayer games I've played of it I have maybe had, 1 or 2 kids talking at the most, and half of the time they weren't annoying at all. And this is on xbox live, so people are over exaggerating if you ask me.
Also, its fun to hate CoD because it makes you seem cool.
Personally the weapon upgrading is a TRILLION times better than the previous cods were you had to farm points with specific weapons to get gear in a linear progression. F DAT SHIT. Black ops you could buy whatever you had the points for. Yea there were level restrictions but after playing a while it wasn't ever an issue.
The hundreds of multiplayer games I've played of it I have maybe had, 1 or 2 kids talking at the most, and half of the time they weren't annoying at all. And this is on xbox live, so people are over exaggerating if you ask me.
Also, its fun to hate CoD because it makes you seem cool.
There were a lot of changes in Black Ops like delayed fire to the sniper rifles and crappy map design that annoyed the fans a fair bit. That's what I mainly heard.
If your talking about COD in general, that's because a lot of people like me find it pathetic they keep releasing the same game with little changes over and over more than anyone else.
Seriously, grow up. Just because you encounter a lot of jerks on one side, doesn't mean being a jerk back makes it right.
If your talking about COD in general, that's because a lot of people like me find it pathetic they keep releasing the same game with little changes over and over more than anyone else.
Then there are immature people like Sober Thal who generalise the ones who complain because they think high numbers equal fact when all it is just popular opinion.Sober Thal said:
Seriously, grow up. Just because you encounter a lot of jerks on one side, doesn't mean being a jerk back makes it right.
I don't hate it, it's just.....well, the exact same COD since this Modern Warfare ball got rolling. The franchise has become the Madden of "hardcore" gaming: take the game before it, make the tiniest of tweaks, re-release it. You would have to have played MW2 a crapload to notice the changes they made for MW3; my younger brother is one of those people, and the only thing he's noticed is that "the grenades and noob tube aren't as overpowered."
At least Halo has the decency to throw some big wrench into the multiplayer each time to sorta spice things up (dual-wielding in Halo 2, Forge in Halo 3, and armor abilities in Reach).
I still had a great time with Black Ops, same as I have with every COD game, so I'm not gonna hate on the people who love the games. They're just not my thing.
At least Halo has the decency to throw some big wrench into the multiplayer each time to sorta spice things up (dual-wielding in Halo 2, Forge in Halo 3, and armor abilities in Reach).
I still had a great time with Black Ops, same as I have with every COD game, so I'm not gonna hate on the people who love the games. They're just not my thing.
MW2 was the only amazing CoD and black ops was okay. As far as most CoD games are it was pretty damn good.
True, but for me personally they didn't change up the core of the game enough to compel me to buy anything after MW2 (I've borrowed my brother's since then). I barely noticed these changes with the exception of altered killstreaks, whereas the Halo stuff I mentioned completely altered how you should approach a match.imahobbit4062 said:
Of course, I'm speaking from a slanted perspective. I've played Halo much more than COD, so I probably notice the nuanced changes between games more than the average person, much like how my brother can for COD games. And really, I shouldn't be comparing their gameplay in the first place since they're very different types of FPS's.
Both franchises are very guilty of not evolving much. I just happen to like the small changes Halo made more.
Probably the best CoD game they've released recently, only second to CoD4.
Multiplayer was honestly not as bad, hope Treyarch makes another one soon.
Multiplayer was honestly not as bad, hope Treyarch makes another one soon.
Stagnation of any kind is bad? No it isn't. I can think of hundreds of companies that have been living off of the same product range for dozens of years and have been very successful because of it. And as a consequence, many consumers have been able to get a product that lived up to wishes and expectations, even though they might not be your wishes and expectations. Forcefully trying to progress and implementing new technology, now that can be a bad thing, for both company and consumer. I say: don't blame the farmer for farming potatoes, just because you don't like potatoes.Locke_Cole said:
Also, I don't see how Black-Ops being very iterative has anything to do with humanity's technological progression. If you're looking to Activision and Treyarch for technological progression, you're just looking in the wrong place. If I want a novel game, I'll go see what thatgamecompany has to offer, if I want a game with guaranteed and proven features, I'll go play Call of Duty.
The campaign is really over the top... even for CoD. It makes MW2 look like a military sim shooter by comparison. At the point I was using a hand-held guided missile launcher to take down a Saturn Rocket-sized Soviet missile (apparently loaded with some nerve gas), I kind of questioned what the fuck was going on. It covers a whole bunch of random conflicts from the 50's until the late 80's, makes very little sense, and is generally as predictable as a rabbit on crack.
The multiplayer is by far the most boring and dull of any of the series, and that is saying a lot. Of the ~5 hours I played, I didn't enjoy one minute of it, and as usual, I had to mute almost everyone ASAP. The guns sound and act crappy, there are tons of over-the-top weapons and kill-streaks, even worse than any other CoD before. I'm pretty sure they didn't have the aforementioned guided missile launchers in the 70's.
The only redeeming feature is the zombies, and even that was just ripped from World at War, and given a few new maps and items. However, it is the only part I really played any amount of. Although at the point where it took 100+ 7.62mm rounds to the head to kill one guy, I kind of got bored.
The multiplayer is by far the most boring and dull of any of the series, and that is saying a lot. Of the ~5 hours I played, I didn't enjoy one minute of it, and as usual, I had to mute almost everyone ASAP. The guns sound and act crappy, there are tons of over-the-top weapons and kill-streaks, even worse than any other CoD before. I'm pretty sure they didn't have the aforementioned guided missile launchers in the 70's.
The only redeeming feature is the zombies, and even that was just ripped from World at War, and given a few new maps and items. However, it is the only part I really played any amount of. Although at the point where it took 100+ 7.62mm rounds to the head to kill one guy, I kind of got bored.
It's cliched but true.
The largest playerbase of fans spawns the largest base of haters.
It's a multiplayer focused shooter based on mostly twitch reactions with massive customizability and very smooth and some of the fastest paced game flow around with a campaign like a summer action movie. And it sells like hotcakes. Nothing more and nothing less.
Although personally Blops always seemed a step behind the Modern Warfare series in new content, but were a step ahead in eliminating the more annoying near-exploiting things in CoD like Quickscoping and dropshotting.
I hate mechanics that are accepted and incorporated where it seems like more abusing the game engine than playing the game normally.
The largest playerbase of fans spawns the largest base of haters.
It's a multiplayer focused shooter based on mostly twitch reactions with massive customizability and very smooth and some of the fastest paced game flow around with a campaign like a summer action movie. And it sells like hotcakes. Nothing more and nothing less.
Although personally Blops always seemed a step behind the Modern Warfare series in new content, but were a step ahead in eliminating the more annoying near-exploiting things in CoD like Quickscoping and dropshotting.
I hate mechanics that are accepted and incorporated where it seems like more abusing the game engine than playing the game normally.
I didn't hate it, but I was disappointed by a few things including:
a) Anachronistic weapons.
b) Weapons from Project Nova being unavailable in multiplayer.
b) Inclusion of Last Stand.
c) Lag in multiplayer.
d) Ghost as the dominant first tier perk.
e) 15(!) prestige levels.
There are probably others but those are the ones I remember most.
a) Anachronistic weapons.
b) Weapons from Project Nova being unavailable in multiplayer.
b) Inclusion of Last Stand.
c) Lag in multiplayer.
d) Ghost as the dominant first tier perk.
e) 15(!) prestige levels.
There are probably others but those are the ones I remember most.
If you listen to some religious fanatics....then yes.Locke_Cole said:
OT - The Black Ops MP got old very quickly, mainly because it was already old before the game released. I think there's more hate for MW2/3 than Black Ops though tbh.
From a PC gamer POV, i'm sick of not having dedicated servers for shooters. I'd rather play CSS than any CoD after CoD4 for that reason alone.
Oh wow.Trippy Turtle said:
This bit bothers me. It seems like you're claiming their hatred of Black Ops is wrong simply because other people like it, as if you can invalidate an individual's opinion by pointing at numbers.GundamSentinel said:
And this seems like you're making assumptions. "Leave others to their own preferences" sounds like you think this thread is about hatred towards Black Ops players, when it's really about hatred towards the game.GundamSentinel said:
Why not have discussions on this? Why should people just stay quiet in a forum meant to subjectively discuss games? I see this "Why won't people just enjoy the games they like" mentality a lot in replies to criticism and it always sounds incredibly naive to me. As if discussion is fine until someone disagrees and then suddenly 'Hey it's no big deal can't we all just get along?' As if you can dismiss their argument by retroactively claiming that they started the fight and you're just a victim of their unwarranted hate. As if we're all so shallow that looking and relating beyond just the raw game is an incomprehensible feat and shouldn't be attempted.
You can't deny that Call of Duty is insanely popular, and that popularity has huge amounts of influence on the industry. That influence, to me, is a negative because I don't find Call of Duty games enjoyable. You cannot simply ignore how much other titles have to change to closer fit something like the Call of Duty model, and I think it's legitimate to hate it for that reason. For someone like me who found Black Ops pretty dull in both singleplayer and multiplayer, I think it's totally legitimate to hate it for being a mediocre game whose popularity brings down the potential of so many others. And Black Ops was yet another absurdly popular Call of Duty game with extremely minor alterations at full price.
If you have no qualms about its affect on the industry and just enjoy it, then that's totally cool, but I do have issues with it, and I don't enjoy it.
I came here hoping for a discussion on secret military operations. Sadly it's the same conversation that the entire internet has every 5 fucking minutes.
I think Black Ops is a fine game. It has its problems but it is much more unique than the other CODs. I still play it today just because of Combat Training (Great way of warming up before playing online after not playing for a while or playing for the first time in the day. Wager Matches are fun but no one plays them anymore.
I understand why COD has such a bad reputation, but it still bothers me. On the internet it's always been cool to hate COD, whether the person in question has played the recent games or not.
MW2:
-Unlockable Titles/Emblems
-Pro Perks
-New Attachments</B
-New Killstreaks, ability to choose killstreaks instead of being stuck with the same ones as everyone else
-New Guns
Black Ops:
-Theater
-Combat Training
-Wager Matches
-New Guns
-Some new Killstreaks
-COD Points
-New Zombies maps, guns, etc.
-Custom Emblems
MW3:
-Strike Packages
-KC and Team Defender
-Several Private Match Game Modes
-Survival Mode
I understand why COD has such a bad reputation, but it still bothers me. On the internet it's always been cool to hate COD, whether the person in question has played the recent games or not.
Allow me to elaborate:imahobbit4062 said:
MW2:
-Unlockable Titles/Emblems
-Pro Perks
-New Attachments</B
-New Killstreaks, ability to choose killstreaks instead of being stuck with the same ones as everyone else
-New Guns
Black Ops:
-Theater
-Combat Training
-Wager Matches
-New Guns
-Some new Killstreaks
-COD Points
-New Zombies maps, guns, etc.
-Custom Emblems
MW3:
-Strike Packages
-KC and Team Defender
-Several Private Match Game Modes
-Survival Mode
As a COD player who never touches the multiplayer (write your own jokes), I actually rather enjoyed BlOps. The single player had a 1960s conspiracy theorist's manifesto quality that was rather interesting. There's a lot of rather interesting historical details to the story that actually roughly mesh with reality. That is to say, a lot of the operation names tossed around had some basis in reality, or in commonly held beliefs at the time.Hazzard said:
In that respect it kind of reminded me of Dark Skies.
All that said, my understanding is that multiplayer was a bit of a mess, but again, I avoid that like the plague, which I guess makes me the "that guy who actually buys Playboy for the articles" of gaming.