Why this character is not that awesome.

[k-ossuburb]

Wolverine. The only reason he's so badass is that the writers keep upping his actual powers to the point where if theres a fleck of skin left of him somewhere, he's coming back. He slashes shit and yeah he's a good fighter, but how much of a mary sue is he really? They jam him full of sharp, indestructible metal and then make it so he can't die even if he didn't have it?


Buuuuulllllshit.

No matter how badass they try and make Wolverine, nothing will detract from the fact that he was once saved by Jubilee. That is the immediate nullification of all awesome.

Also, there's something that has always puzzled me about Wolverine. It's in how he got his powers in the first movie.

His entire skeleton is coated with adamantium, but in order for that to actually work, doesn't that mean that the (supposedly) indestructible metal had to be melted into a liquid to be administered? Furthermore, in the movie, it was clearly seen through transparent plastic hoses, so wouldn't it be fair to say that it has a lower melting point than plastic?

In fact, considering that it wasn't glowing from all the IR and heat emitted from being heated to melting point, it must have a very low melting point. Metals with low melting points, like aluminum or tin do not glow when melted.

So that means it has a melting point that can be reached by conventional means, which means that it's not as indestructible as people make it out to be.

So, given this, wouldn't that mean that if you had a mutant with the ability to create vast amounts of heat, it would be possible to completely melt his claws and burn him to a crisp? Hell, a bit of human technology could do it, considering that normal human scientists were the ones who gave him the claws/skeleton in the first place.

Also, microwaves would be pretty lethal to someone who's skeleton is made out of metal, which reminds me, in the first film they put him into an MRI machine instead of an X-ray to check his health.

How the hell did they get such a clear image? Even the smallest pieces of metal, like screws, can distort an MRI. MRI machines fail if you have any kind of metal inside them, since they work using strong magnetic fields, so either the image is distorted or the metal is flung into the sides of the machine which can cause damage to it (which is ill-advised since MRI machines are expensive). And, if Magneto could bend his claws (which leads me to deduce that adamantium is magnetic), then how come the MRI didn't at least make his claws stick to the sides of the machine and ruin the interior?

I know I shouldn't be looking for logic in a movie based on a comic book, but if you're going to be setting these things in the real world and play them out as if they actually could happen, then it's reasonable that they adhere to some of the basic traits of reality.

I'm not particularly au fait with the comics to know why adamantium is indestructible, so I suppose there's a reason, but nobody has been able to give me one, yet. Maybe someone could help me out on this?

 

[Nate Corran]

other than that though, vader is still fucking badass!

He's Anakin Skyalker.

-notches him off the badass list for life-

no no no, the first three films didn't happen, darth vader is not anakin skywalker...

>_>

Uh.... technically even if they didn't happen he still was Anakin. He just isn't a pussy ass little *****.

And Kratos. The guy was fine in the first one, because his motive made sense... kinda. But everywhere else he is just a half-naked asshole with a blood and guts fetish stronger than the bastard child of Jigsaw and Dracula.

 

[Queen Michael]

Wolverine. The only reason he's so badass is that the writers keep upping his actual powers to the point where if theres a fleck of skin left of him somewhere, he's coming back. He slashes shit and yeah he's a good fighter, but how much of a mary sue is he really? They jam him full of sharp, indestructible metal and then make it so he can't die even if he didn't have it?


Buuuuulllllshit.

I admit that in some comics featuring Wolverine he's a Marty Stu (Mary Sue is what you call the girls), but we were supposed to explain why he's not an ultimate badass. THe first thing you've written is "The only reason he's so badass is..." meaning that you do consider him to be a badass and is going to explain why. Your point is that Wolverine is a Marty Stu, but you're not claiming he's not as badass as people think.

 

[plugav]

Nope, he was actually quite high ranking. We discussed this in my Scripture class. Lucifer, as he was originally known, just wanted more - he wasn't satisfied with being a higher ranking angel, he pretty much wanted to be God himself. Which really turned out to be not such a good idea, because God kicked him right out of Heaven along with 1/3 of the angels that followed him.

I know the story, but is that traceable in the Bible, or is it dictated by tradition and theology? (Honest question.)

As for Milton, he's the one who painted Satan as a charismatic and somewhat sympathetic character. His idea was, I think, that the Devil must be appealing if he is to be a worthy adversary for God. Since then, however, people have been doing their best to quote Paradise Lost out of context.

Anyway, I want to say, and this might be a bit blasphemous to some people, but Commander Shephard. Yes, that Shephard. Really, he doesn't do anything that some other dolt couldn't have done, he just happened to be in the right place at the right time to get where he is. He's great, sure, but not amazingly strong or powerful.

S/he gets involved in the whole Reaper affair because s/he's a war hero (that's why s/he's considered for the Spectres in the first place), which is more than you can say about most other blokes who save the world. But yeah, it seems mighty wasteful, for example, that Cerberus would resurrect Shepard instead of hiring someone else and using the time and money thus saved to build weapons and recruit armies.

The song [http://youtu.be/HeY-2ovpF9c] still rocks, though.

 

[Wintermoot]

Kira/Light Yagami

Spoiler: Why

He's fucking evil. And he begs for his life before he dies.

I understand that people like having a power-trip fantasy, but I've never understood why people think Light is in the right in any way. He's a murderer, plain and simple.

in the first part of DN he was a self-righteous guy that wanted to make the world a better place (by making himself the last evil person) until he started killing people that where in his way and he ended up being power hungry

 

[gorfias]

I know he looks cool and all, but am I wrong, or wasn't the whole point of Rorschach that
1) he's an unstable sociopath and a right wing nut job? (In fact, his favourite magazine is basically FOX News on paper)

2) So why do so many people love him?

1) Even Alan Moore, a radical leftist, came to admire a lot in his creation. The point of the Watchmen was to try to imagine what real costumed vigilantes would be like. To dress up like that and fight crime would not require madness, but it would sure help. His particular madness motivates him, makes him what his is, and people love much about what he is which is...
2) An uncompromising, brave, resourceful avenger. While he shares much with the Comedian, the Comedian really was evil. Rorschach was on balance, fighting for what he thought was right, even if somewhat demented in his reasoning.

 

[twistedmic]

Also, there's something that has always puzzled me about Wolverine. It's in how he got his powers in the first movie.

His entire skeleton is coated with adamantium, but in order for that to actually work, doesn't that mean that the (supposedly) indestructible metal had to be melted into a liquid to be administered? Furthermore, in the movie, it was clearly seen through transparent plastic hoses, so wouldn't it be fair to say that it has a lower melting point than plastic?

In fact, considering that it wasn't glowing from all the IR and heat emitted from being heated to melting point, it must have a very low melting point. Metals with low melting points, like aluminum or tin do not glow when melted.

So that means it has a melting point that can be reached by conventional means, which means that it's not as indestructible as people make it out to be.

I think, but I'm not positive, that they mentioned, in the movie at least, that once adamantium had been liquified and then cooled/hardened it became indestructible.

 

[AgentNein]

Cthulhu

i was not aware Cthulhu was 'awesome' or 'bad ass'

A lot of people think he is. I think the idea is pretty cool, but he isn't an unstoppable beast like people believe he is.

>.> i see, i always saw it as a stupid looking squid monster thing, a mid boss at best basically, or a tougher normal enemy, ya know, the kinda thing you flatten an move on

He DOES explode your brain by looking at you...

Well he doesn't explode it so much as make you insane, but yeah, that is pretty awesome...good thing we got boats.

Reminds me of an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer where this demon named The Judge was resurrected, last time he died it took an entire army to take him down. Then Buffy realized that last time he died the army was probably using spears or swords, and in modern days we have bazookas!

She blew him up with a bazooka. Where's Cthuhlu? Gonna A-bomb his ass back to the Plateau of Leng.

 

[Vivace-Vivian]

Just about every protagonist that has been in a game int he past couple years...

But srsly Master Cheif.

Boring, boring and more boring.

 

[conflictofinterests]

Chuck Norris. He is not cool. Why?

He is a fucking idiot. Seriously.

Spoiler

You ruined this thread for me. Thanks. *grumble* Posting Glen Beck at the very beginning*mutter*grumble* HOW WILL I EVER RAISE MY MOOD WITH REFERENCES TO HIM ALL OVER THE PLACE?!

Also, is Chuck Norris trying to be conservative? If so, agreed. If not, his viewpoint seems coherent enough to me, even if it's not well-thought out.

 

[Lukeje]

for me?
Super Man

1) he's dumb, never seen him in kinda fight the required more thought an skill from him then 'punch with right, then with left' or, fly threw a wall when there's a perfectly good door he could use -.- but that's a brain function beyond him.
...

This seems apt:

Spoiler

[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=352]

 

[gorfias]

The Incredible Hulk. Ultimately, he is just a big, strong dummy. And, all things considered, why should I think it credible that he win his fight at the end of the 2nd movie attempt? He was up against an incredible bad ass military man who now was physically stronger than him.

I hate having to say to myself, "well, it was in the script."

 

[SckizoBoy]

snip

Dude, this is Hollywood... sorry, 'Hollywood' that's talking here. And just how much 'science' does 'Hollywood' know? How much 'science' do you think 'Hollywood' reckon their typical customer knows? Answer = jackshit to both.

I think everyone can agree that Origins was a shitty film and leave it at that.

If you want a more fundamental gripe about Wolverine's powers: how the fuck do his claws operate?! (i.e. emerge from his knuckles, for which he would need to have no carpal bones and without carpal bones, it's almost impossible to flex the wrist)

OT: Anakin Skywalker... you turned to the dark side because you didn't get that promotion, boo hoo, cry me a fucking river. Plus, did you have to be played by Hayden Christensen?!

 

[mrdude2010]

nathan drake from Uncharted 2

what a fucking asshole. if i have to hear one more stupid one liner or lame flirtatious line i may walk through the tv and stab him myself.

 

[mrdude2010]

Commander Shepard,

No matter how you play him, the guy is a massive tool. If he used just a tiny bit of his extreme luck to actually proving the Reaper's existence instead of just pouting to the council and killing/blue-text-clicking random dudes for pocket change he might get some help in defeating a timeless and ancient evil which commits systematic extermination on a regular basis (keep in mind the only reason the cycle was delayed was because of pure luck and forward thinking of a different species).

When he is sent into a derelict ship to "investigate" it (mind you, the same ship which killed him and a large portion of his old crew just weeks ago) he can either go in wholeheartedly and be shocked when he is betrayed, or be sarcastic about it and then get angry when he is betrayed. He never questions orders and he lacks any survival instinct. He also doesn't see the problem with working with a clandestine group of racist and well funded terrorists who are at the same time incredibly inept and dangerous to all living beings. He may occasionally say he hates them, but he always works with them toward their goals no matter the choices you make.

The guy never thinks ahead, never uses strategy, never takes a calculated gamble, he just blunders into big situations and shoots things and talks with dudes until they get resolved, usually requiring a large portion of luck as well.

you seem to have missed the big "FUCK YOU" to cerberus at the end of the 2nd game. since both cerberus and shepherd are working towards the same goals (stopping the collectors), it makes sense to use the massive amounts of resources offered to him

i think the point is he really can't prove the reaper's existence, and if he did all it would accomplish would be to evacuate a few more far out colonies which were already being evacuated anyway. it's not like the council can send in the fleet through the omega 4 relay because they would just die.
what orders were he supposed to question exactly? there really isn't a point where you're ordered to do anything aside from when he tells you to go check out the derelict collector ship, and i mean it's his only real chance to get that one thing he needs from it, since there aren't too many other derelict collector ships laying around

also plenty of your dialogue lines are calculated gambles

as was going onto the collector-infested planet without 100% surety that you were going to be safe. obviously the game isn't going to arbitrarily kill you, but the idea is that both going on the collector ship and going on the planet with the collectors are calculated gambles that have a pretty major risk, but also a pretty major potential reward.

if he's inept it's only because you played him as inept, shepherd as a combat character is exactly as powerful as you make him

 

[Laxman9292]

SNIP

EDIT: By the way for all the people talking about Masterchief:

He blew up the Halo intallation.
He grabbed a bomb, carried it out with him after jumping out of a space station in the middle of a fleet battle to plant said bomb onto an enemy frigate.
He killed the Prophet of Regret.
He destroyed the entire flood infection by activating a Halo ring in a zone beyond the rim of our galaxy and subsequently destroyed the Ark as well.

I'm just saying, dude's done stuff.

but, isn't master chief even more of a blank slate than shepard? plus shepard has done some pretty awesome things too...

Not really, Master Chief is anything but a blank slate. He literally has novels of characterization and the player is not permitted to impress their own character on him, as he is an already defined person. He's just quiet.

Besides, eh doesn't afraid of anything.

 

[Laxman9292]

The Adoring Fan from Oblivion...because he exists...

Oh, wait, someone that people like. Uh...Boba Fett.

*kicks a fanboy running up to bring him a copy of Tales of the Bounty Hunter*

THERE IS NO EXPANDED UNIVERSE!!!

There actually is, it exists . And no one ever thought the Adoring Fan was awesome for any reason. Except that youi could be brutally mean to him and he would just go along with it.

 

[irani_che]

hit-girl from kick-ass

she was like the biggest mary sue fantasy character ever concocted by some serious comic book fan with a slight paedophile disposition.
Yahtzee described a similay character best as saying she is as loveable as a deep sea angler fish in an SS uniform

 

[jhlip]

Bobba Fett

He gets like 30 seconds screen time, yet so many people nerdgasm over him.

He's a guy that didn't take precautions to prevent accidental jetpack discharge. The sarlacc pit feasts on the premature reckless.

Pretty much this right here. I can't stand people worshiping Bobba Fett.

 

[AgentNein]

I believe you forgot the "is" in the title.

OT: Gordon Freeman. A silent protagonist who is far less easy to like than most other silent protagonists.

Ya gordon sucks LOLz
XD

OT: This dude

because I killed him in 3 seconds flat.

I am honestly a Sepheroth fan, but with that said all I had to do was cast Knights of The Round with X4 materia and somebody else with mimic materia. I sorta felt bad for him.

"I am a god now you think you can de*oof stop hitting me stop hitting me! It hurts!"