AdmiralWolverineLightningbolt said:
BehattedWanderer said:
It had nothing to do with it being about aliens that ruined it for me. That I could have lived with. What killed it for me was that it went from a series of stories that depicted the almighty power of God against those who would stand in heresy of him, and, having produced a series of movies of epic proportions, moved onto something else, like George Lucas loves to turn to: BAD Science. The nuclear-resistant fridge, the magnetic properties of gunpowder, the fact that if there was a magnet strong enough to pull finite grain particles from across a warehouse, if Indy was able to pull the shovel directly off of the magnet, it would immediately have sliced straight through his legs from the pull of the magnet. It was all BULLSHIT, point and fact. The acting was shite, the character design was dodgy at best, and that they're still relying on the old standbys was a good sign that they should have rethought much of it. That they moved away from the core principles of God's holy power is one thing, and the appearance of interdimensional aliens did make a unique twist on the world's crystal skulls, an odd and currently unexplainable phenomonon. But, bad acting, bad characters, bad dialog, and foremost, horrendous science were really the nails in its coffin for me.
Baby Tea said:
People didn't like it because they didn't understand that Indiana Jones is a tribute to the over the top adventure heroes of the 20s. Everything was meant to be impossible, crazy, and, yes, campy. Does anyone want to actually go back and watch the first 3 films with the same level of critique as they did this new one?
Lets!
Raiders of the Lost Ark:
Ark of the Covenant? Shooting lasers and melting faces?
Indy being able to sneak aboard a U-Boat as it sails the sea and not get found out?
Being able to 'infiltrate' a Nazi base by himself and not be noticed?
Temples that have motion sensing spike traps? And giant rolling balls, that he can outrun?
Pushing a huge giant stone statue over that knocks out a wall and just so happens to find a way out?
Indy taking out an entire squad of Nazis in a truck?
Riding behind said truck while holding onto his whip?
Bullshit on all that. I'm sure there is more, but I'll move on
Temple of Doom:
Voodoo Magic? Hypnotizing voodoo magic? That is 'cured' with fire?
Guy pulling hearts out of people? And they are still alive?
Little Chinese kids beating up adults?
The entire mining cart chase scene?
Magic glowing stones?
Falling out of a plane on an inflatable raft?? And surviving?
And then falling down a waterfall? And surviving, and landing right side up with no injuries?
Bullshit on all that too! Next!
Last Crusade:
A secret group whose only job is to protect the cup of Christ that grants anyone who drinks of it eternal life?
Infiltrating a nazi castle stronghold with a terrible Scottish accent? And escaping? From nazis who don't like to shoot their guns? Especially when they are right behind you on a bike, but think it's best to be right next to you before trying to shoot?
Using a flag pole, that ripped so easily out of the ground, to lance some guy?
Out-flying the Luftwaffe with your accident prone father who shoots off your own tailfin? (Super bullshit there)
Killing planes with birds? When the guy didn't even have to dive that low? And could have pulled up far sooner?
Destroying a tank gun with a ROCK??
Ancient, motion sensing traps?
And a cup that turns you into that guy from the crypt keeper and then you poof away into dust?
Bullshit on all that too.
Don't you come to me with Indy in a fridge and aliens, and tell me that doesn't fit with Indy's over-the-top action and story telling. Because you've either never watched the other three, you're just jumping on the 'hate Indy 4' band wagon because you're insecure, or you have no idea what Indy is about. Indy isn't about realism. He's the old-fashion, good old boy action hero who encounters and conquers all of mans myths, legends, and fears.
If you want realism, go somewhere else.
BehattedWanderer should feel kind of embarrassed right now...
Actually, I'm kind of amused, to tell you the truth. The action I have no problem with--it migh be a fresh, soft pile of cowshit, but it makes a damn fine [I}story[/I], and it's believable to the extent of fantasy. Part of his legacy is his approach, that he fills that uncharacteristic hero sense, and can accomplish what others could not. If, when told a tale of a man using his wits and a whip to defeat small forces and save the day, you'd think 'Hot damn, fantastic!'. The action I don't mind, and embrace as tell-tale of the Indy saga. That area of realism I can cope. The traps, the chases, the explosions--while not necessarily matter of fact circumstances, they way they were orchestrated brings about the aspect of
plausible . It
could happen. It's the telling that makes the action possible.
It's the boldface false science I can't stand. Birds can easily rip planes to shreds. The rock might wedge in just such a way to cause enough friction on the inner barrel of a tank to rip open a missle on its way out of a barrel, enough to cause an explosion. Fair story, if nothing else. The ark, the grail, the voodoo, was about the mysticism. The former two reveal the almighty power of God, who is capable of outright devastation and extreme benevolence in each respective case. The latter is just another form of religious power, and while it might not be the christian god, still focuses on dietic power. Depending on your personal level of religous conviction, or lack thereof, those things could be anywhere from 'happening right now' to 'ain't fucking possible', but it's more or less dependent on your belief.
The points I argue are the aspects of the film that are testable, and that is where I have my problem--the fact of the matter. While I can live with the action inherent in the fourth movie, the attempt at science is what turned me away from it. As an action movie, it's not bad, but as an attempted
science-based movie, it eats mud.
