Why was my thread locked?

[MrDarkling]

And in what way is postulating a hypothetical scenario morally wrong?

Not about how morally wrong it is, it just can upset people and disturb that their fellow human would think of such a discussion.
That and it has a high chance it could cause DRAMA in the forums which it certainly has; to such an extent that it has come here where people can further argue if the thread should have been made, locked or whatever.

It should really be a point every single thread-maker should consider before making a thread.

"Does my subject have a high chance of causing drama/upset/flamewars?"

On a final note you even added the discussion of if you'd kill someone for their possessions?
You might as well go into a graveyard and piss on their grave.
No offence dude but no matter how "Hypothetical" you can make that discussion it was going to piss off a lot of people either way, the mods must have seen this and ended it before shit really hit the fan.

 

[Blackadder51]

All of those are ironic. In fact, the third one is actually satirising anyone who might take the thread, or his post seriously. He suggests killing fictional, and historical figures for absurd reasons; how can you not see the irony in that, never mind take it seriously?

I suppose you think Yahtzee is a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigot?

This sir, is a description of irony, in none of the pics is that shown.
One of the most misused words in the entire English language.

There are several types of irony.

Socratic irony - When someone pretends to be naive about a certain subject, and uses his questions about it to point out a flaw in the established belief. This is often used on the TV show South Park, where the children often ask questions about a situation until the folly in a parent's decision becomes clear.

Sarcasm - Understatement, mocking overstatement, or heavy-handed irony (stating the flat opposite of the truth) where both parties are aware of the difference between what's said and what's actually happening.

Situational Irony - The irony that most people think of. A difference between what you expect to happen (in a story, for example) and what actually happens. Rain on your wedding day would be a sort-of example, because a wedding day is generally expected to be a perfect, happy day. The good advice you didn't take, however, would NOT be irony, because that has nothing to do with what is expected and what isn't expected. A traffic jam when you're already late wouldn't be irony either; there's no automatic expectation that traffic will be fine, just because you happen to be late.

Irony of Fate - The concept that the Gods, Fates, etc. are toying with humans for amusement by using irony. Beethoven's loss of hearing is a famous example; one would expect a composer to be able to hear his compositions, but fate denied him that ability.

Tragic (Dramatic) Irony - When the audience knows something that some of the characters don't know in a play/movie/novel/whatever. For example, when the horror flick psycho is in the house and the homeowner just goes in without suspecting anything.
So, yeah, Alanis was wrong in a lot of her song, but there ARE some examples of irony in there - and a few that are kinda-sorta, but could be better. The old man who buys a lottery ticket is one; it would be a better example if he won, and then died of a heart attack from the shock of winning..

So its ironic as its a joke....?

Ha Ha Ha?

And they added to the discussion how? (thats the point i was trying to make)


No i dont think that Mr Croshaw is a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigot.

 

[molesgallus]

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The majority of people that agree that the thread should have been locked in this very thread.

If you can't see why it's wrong, there's no point in me even responding to you.

The total response to this thread is only a fraction of the response to that thread, and no one, as far as I saw, posted there disagreement in the original thread. In fact, over 300 people voted in the thread, all endorsing it's existence. This thread would have to produce at least as many objections to it's existence, for your opinion to be in the 'majority of people'.

I can see why you think it is wrong, but I feel it is equally wrong to enforce your opinions on others, disallowing them the chance to discuss something because you feel the topic is 'wrong'.

 

[RoyalWelsh]

Because talking about people you want to kill is frowned upon in civilised internet societies?

Possibly. Unlike real society, where our rulers talk about it every day; and then actually do it...

Real world or not, it's still not nice to talk about who want's who killed.

 

[molesgallus]

All of those are ironic. In fact, the third one is actually satirising anyone who might take the thread, or his post seriously. He suggests killing fictional, and historical figures for absurd reasons; how can you not see the irony in that, never mind take it seriously?

I suppose you think Yahtzee is a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigot?

This sir, is a description of irony, in none of the pics is that shown.
One of the most misused words in the entire English language.

There are several types of irony.

Socratic irony - When someone pretends to be naive about a certain subject, and uses his questions about it to point out a flaw in the established belief. This is often used on the TV show South Park, where the children often ask questions about a situation until the folly in a parent's decision becomes clear.

Sarcasm - Understatement, mocking overstatement, or heavy-handed irony (stating the flat opposite of the truth) where both parties are aware of the difference between what's said and what's actually happening.

Situational Irony - The irony that most people think of. A difference between what you expect to happen (in a story, for example) and what actually happens. Rain on your wedding day would be a sort-of example, because a wedding day is generally expected to be a perfect, happy day. The good advice you didn't take, however, would NOT be irony, because that has nothing to do with what is expected and what isn't expected. A traffic jam when you're already late wouldn't be irony either; there's no automatic expectation that traffic will be fine, just because you happen to be late.

Irony of Fate - The concept that the Gods, Fates, etc. are toying with humans for amusement by using irony. Beethoven's loss of hearing is a famous example; one would expect a composer to be able to hear his compositions, but fate denied him that ability.

Tragic (Dramatic) Irony - When the audience knows something that some of the characters don't know in a play/movie/novel/whatever. For example, when the horror flick psycho is in the house and the homeowner just goes in without suspecting anything.
So, yeah, Alanis was wrong in a lot of her song, but there ARE some examples of irony in there - and a few that are kinda-sorta, but could be better. The old man who buys a lottery ticket is one; it would be a better example if he won, and then died of a heart attack from the shock of winning..

So its ironic as its a joke....?

Ha Ha Ha?

And they added to the discussion how? (thats the point i was trying to make)


No i dont think that Mr Croshaw is a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigot.

It's an ironic joke. The irony is what makes it a joke.

They added to the discussion by introducing humour, and satirizing those who might take the subject too seriously. Adding balance to the discussion.

And, good. You've either never seen his work, or you normally understand irony. Or maybe you just don't want to appear to not understand irony...

 

[Da_Schwartz]

Prob for the rare chance of someone being killed in real life..blaming it on the escapist and it's openly homocidal views and violent video game content, and then walking away a free man.

 

[molesgallus]

And in what way is postulating a hypothetical scenario morally wrong?

Not about how morally wrong it is, it just can upset people and disturb that their fellow human would think of such a discussion.
That and it has a high chance it could cause DRAMA in the forums which it certainly has; to such an extent that it has come here where people can further argue if the thread should have been made, locked or whatever.

It should really be a point every single thread-maker should consider before making a thread.

"Does my subject have a high chance of causing drama/upset/flamewars?"

On a final note you even added the discussion of if you'd kill someone for their possessions?
You might as well go into a graveyard and piss on their grave.
No offence dude but no matter how "Hypothetical" you can make that discussion it was going to piss off a lot of people either way, the mods must have seen this and ended it before shit really hit the fan.

What are the purpose of forums if you can't discuss anything that might cause some people distress? Surely that eliminates almost all topics?

The property thing is the element of reality to the hypothetical scenario. Man has killed man for thousands of years over property. I was simply wondering whether that was the primary motivation, or whether people might have other motivations.

How insular, and protective has society become when people can't discuss hypothetical scenarios about people being killed, when their governments, and fellow country men are killing millions every year?

 

[molesgallus]

Prob for the rare chance of someone being killed in real life..blaming it on the escapist and it's openly homocidal views and violent video game content, and then walking away a free man.

I doubt that defence would hold up in a court of law... And, presumably thats got nothing to do with my post.

 

[ProfessorLayton]

people were being bullied for having virtues and morals

I wish every thread like that could be locked... it's pretty disgusting... I would go into it, but I got sent a warning last time I brought it up.

 

[Lord Mountbatten Reborn]

It is a hypothetical scenario. Do you mean they use the word 'wrongly', or out of context? Because it definitely applies in this scenario. If someone feels there is a potential social stigma, they were free to ignore the post. It only seems fair to leave it open for those who didn't feel there was a social stigma, though.

Quite a few people use the word "hypothetical" as a mask to say, "this is what I want to happen, but in the interests of making myself look less disturbing I'm going to try and distance myself from that by using this word that creates alternate situations". That is not to say all people do it, but some most certainly do.

It is nothing like that. Child porn clearly shouldn't exist, and endorsing it by having it on your computer is wrong.

Like having a thread that endorses killing people? You might say some of the posts are ironic (yes some, but the Michael Bay one is not ironic, so I assume the definition of ironic was misinterpreted), but some most certainly aren't.

Would you publicly act as though you are planning to commit a crime? I'm fairly certain you can get arrested for presumed intent, if not execution. That's what pre-emptive police raids are all about after all. Sure you might sound jokey, but people have been arrested for making jokes (e.g. Jokes about bombs when in an airport) before.

As a participant in a discussion, I can understand your point of view here. However, from the point of view of a website that doesn't want to attract negative attention to itself, especially if someone on here might wish to report the thread to the authorities, with a thread about killing people with no repercussions (we gamers look like real socialites now) gaining quite a bit of popularity, you can see that locking such a thread might be a useful course of action, if not for you, then for the website.

You keep arguing why it shouldn't be locked, when your question was to ask why it was locked. This is my interpretation of why it was locked.

 

[Blackadder51]

It's an ironic joke. The irony is what makes it a joke.

No. What the fuck? That does not make sense. What is ironic? It is a joke at most, but sir it is not fucking ironic.

They added to the discussion by introducing humour, and satirizing those who might take the subject too seriously. Adding balance to the discussion.

Which done in real life is like going to a test or a court session and taking off your pants, yelling BOOBIES and running out, in order to introduce some humor and balance out the situation.

And, good. You've either never seen his work, or you normally understand irony. Or maybe you just don't want to appear to not understand irony...

How are his videos ironic?

 

[quiet_samurai]

Probably because it's a thread aboot contemplating people's murders.

This... mods don;t like it when you talk of killing actual people. Even if your joking.

 

[Cabisco]

I get why it was locked, but it would be nice to see them make a post saying why. It wouldn't take too much effort on their part and would allow people to see what mods deem unacceptable, rather than guessing like we are now.

But like I said, I get exactly why the thread was locked, but sometimes I feel their is a lack of communication between the mods and users nowadays.

 

[molesgallus]

All of those are ironic. In fact, the third one is actually satirising anyone who might take the thread, or his post seriously. He suggests killing fictional, and historical figures for absurd reasons; how can you not see the irony in that, never mind take it seriously?

I suppose you think Yahtzee is a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigot?

http://virgotex.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/logic-youre-doing-it-wrong.jpg

This applies yo your statement sir. Methinks you misunderstand Irony.

Let me tell you something.
Discussing Murder is a distasteful subject. This website is PG13. This website is primarily about gaming and nerdom.

MATH. DO IT

You are right, I do assume the irony. However, it is not entirely circular, as I have analysed the users other posts, and deduced that they were almost certainly being ironic. My understanding of irony has nothing to do with the potentially circular logic in my argument, however. I'm not sure what you are referring to there.

I've read some stuff on this sight that is definitely not PG13. I have also seen advertisements that are definitely not PG13. If the website is supposedly PG13, then fair enough, but some consistency in that policy would be nice. Also, the off-topic section, is primarily about non-gaming and nerdom discussion, by implication of it's title.

 

[Lizmichi]

It's like going: "Hey guys, let's tempt arrest by discussing people we have considered killing!"

I'm surprised it wasn't locked sooner.

There is no law against wanting to kill someone. And there is definitely no law against discussing who you might kill in a hypothetical world.

There are still morals that find the discussion of murder distasteful. Hypothetical or not it's still wrong. The gaming world has enough issues without adding on forum topics like that on to a very well know and very popular gaming website. If you have people you want to kill then that's calling out more for help from a therapist then a forum posting.
Is it ok to talk about planting a bomb in a public building or creating another 9/11? No it's not, in fact, I believe you can get arrested for that. Your topic falls along the same lines as that. Doesn't matter if you intend to, it's that you're talking about it. I must say allot of the responses where disturbing.
Also postings like this.... ehhhhhhh.

Spoiler: *shiver*

If i had the opportunity to kill indiscriminately? I'd take up the chance. Of course i would. I'd probably even torture my victims. Fuck their friends and families. It'd be for my pleasure; i wouldn't care about the suffering of others. If anything, i'd enjoy it all the more. Ever seen the movie Creep? Being able to just take people away that the world has forgotten about and slaughter them brutally... i think we all have that sort of urge inside of us. To just flip out and act without inhibition. Chances are the world has fucked us over so much we just don't care any more and apply that pain to others. I don't know, i'm not a psychologist. Maybe that's why certain games are so appealing - the ability to kill without repercussion.

 

[MrDarkling]

*snip*

What are the purpose of forums if you can't discuss anything that might cause some people distress? Surely that eliminates almost all topics?

The property thing is the element of reality to the hypothetical scenario. Man has killed man for thousands of years over property. I was simply wondering whether that was the primary motivation, or whether people might have other motivations.

How insular, and protective has society become when people can't discuss hypothetical scenarios about people being killed, when their governments, and fellow country men are killing millions every year?

Don't get me wrong, it does have discussion value but I think it's a subject for meetings with close friends who you can discuss anything with.
But as a big community as this there's no doubt going to be a large group of folk who are going to be pretty pissed or upset, it sucks I know but just how things roll I guess.
So in the end the mods are just doing what they feel is right to dispose of the "fire hazard."

 

[sdafdfhrye3245]

Because you are a very poor troll

 

[molesgallus]

It's an ironic joke. The irony is what makes it a joke.

No. What the fuck? That does not make sense. What is ironic? It is a joke at most, but sir it is not fucking ironic.

What kind of joke is it, then? Irony is a form of humour. A lot of jokes are based on irony. Such as that one. That one is an example of irony because the poster is saying one thing, and meaning another.

They added to the discussion by introducing humour, and satirizing those who might take the subject too seriously. Adding balance to the discussion.

Which done in real life is like going to a test or a court session and taking off your pants, yelling BOOBIES and running out, in order to introduce some humor and balance out the situation.

In what way are the escapist forums comparable to a court? Your example would add humour and balance to the situation, but it's not analogous to the thread in contention. Also, your example might not be an example of irony, so wouldn't necessarily be at all comparable, in any way.

And, good. You've either never seen his work, or you normally understand irony. Or maybe you just don't want to appear to not understand irony...

How are his videos ironic?

Well, you've blown it there. Yahtzee makes lots of misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigotted comments. So, either you believe he is all those things, or you believe he is being ironic. You have already stated that you don't believe the former, so I'm not sure what you think he's doing...

So what do you think is going on in his videos, if not irony?

 

[molesgallus]

*snip*

What are the purpose of forums if you can't discuss anything that might cause some people distress? Surely that eliminates almost all topics?

The property thing is the element of reality to the hypothetical scenario. Man has killed man for thousands of years over property. I was simply wondering whether that was the primary motivation, or whether people might have other motivations.

How insular, and protective has society become when people can't discuss hypothetical scenarios about people being killed, when their governments, and fellow country men are killing millions every year?

Don't get me wrong, it does have discussion value but I think it's a subject for meetings with close friends who you can discuss anything with.
But as a big community as this there's no doubt going to be a large group of folk who are going to be pretty pissed or upset, it sucks I know but just how things roll I guess.
So in the end the mods are just doing what they feel is right to dispose of the "fire hazard."

You're right, I need to find some forums for grown ups that don't get distressed by what other people are discussing. Do you know of any other popular forums, where this discussion might be appropriate, and conducted sensibly?

 

[Arkhangelsk]

All of those are ironic. In fact, the third one is actually satirising anyone who might take the thread, or his post seriously. He suggests killing fictional, and historical figures for absurd reasons; how can you not see the irony in that, never mind take it seriously?

I suppose you think Yahtzee is a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigot?

This sir, is a description of irony, in none of the pics is that shown.
One of the most misused words in the entire English language.

There are several types of irony.

Socratic irony - When someone pretends to be naive about a certain subject, and uses his questions about it to point out a flaw in the established belief. This is often used on the TV show South Park, where the children often ask questions about a situation until the folly in a parent's decision becomes clear.

Sarcasm - Understatement, mocking overstatement, or heavy-handed irony (stating the flat opposite of the truth) where both parties are aware of the difference between what's said and what's actually happening.

Situational Irony - The irony that most people think of. A difference between what you expect to happen (in a story, for example) and what actually happens. Rain on your wedding day would be a sort-of example, because a wedding day is generally expected to be a perfect, happy day. The good advice you didn't take, however, would NOT be irony, because that has nothing to do with what is expected and what isn't expected. A traffic jam when you're already late wouldn't be irony either; there's no automatic expectation that traffic will be fine, just because you happen to be late.

Irony of Fate - The concept that the Gods, Fates, etc. are toying with humans for amusement by using irony. Beethoven's loss of hearing is a famous example; one would expect a composer to be able to hear his compositions, but fate denied him that ability.

Tragic (Dramatic) Irony - When the audience knows something that some of the characters don't know in a play/movie/novel/whatever. For example, when the horror flick psycho is in the house and the homeowner just goes in without suspecting anything.
So, yeah, Alanis was wrong in a lot of her song, but there ARE some examples of irony in there - and a few that are kinda-sorta, but could be better. The old man who buys a lottery ticket is one; it would be a better example if he won, and then died of a heart attack from the shock of winning..

So its ironic as its a joke....?

Ha Ha Ha?

And they added to the discussion how? (thats the point i was trying to make)


No i dont think that Mr Croshaw is a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigot.

It's an ironic joke. The irony is what makes it a joke.

They added to the discussion by introducing humour, and satirizing those who might take the subject too seriously. Adding balance to the discussion.

And, good. You've either never seen his work, or you normally understand irony. Or maybe you just don't want to appear to not understand irony...

So you created a thread just for irony? How...useful... (now that's sarcasm)

I don't think anyone could have added any form of discussion to that thread. The ironic ones don't have a reason, the ones that are serious are either flamers or those who like to say obvious things, like "OMFG, KEEL HITLER!". There was no discussion. Only possibility were if they disagreed on who to kill, which would then turn to a moral fight.