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The Random One

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Very nice. I think #1 is the most important point in here. I read some time ago an excellent article (forgot where, unfortunately) about the significance of vampires, how they actually mean that someone who sacrifices other humans, looking at them as prey, will also lose their humanity and become more like a beast, being confined to the night where other beasts go bump. And how the vampire crazy brought about by Twilight et al is just a fascet of the fact that to be selfish, to think only of oneself, is becoming more and more acceptable, if not the outright norm.

I think we can learn a lot about a culture by looking at what monsters they create. Vampires as we know them today come from the Victorian ages and represent a demonization of personal impetus and sexual drive. As those things become normal in our eyes, so do vampires slowly become the good guys. Meanwhile, the main problem of our age is that we are surrounded by people, all the time, and yet so few of them we can call friends. We literally do not care if they live or die. These creatures we see on the street - that look exactly like humans but do not register as so to us - are the zombies. Being surrounded by a group of strange creatures that look like us but as far as we know are nothing but empty husks who want to eat our souls is the very definition of life in a modern metropolis.

A final point, there's a fallacy in your article. Of course that 100% of the people who predicted the total destruction of the human race are wrong, because if at any point any of them are right, there won't be anyone left to count how many are right. There have been plenty of apocalypses in the past, we just look past them because in movies an apocalypse will happen overnight and usually with very pretty CGI, but in real life it's a small change that will happen over many years. Look at the end of the Roman Empire and compare it with a post-apoc setting. Technology flung back for centuries? Check. Democratic processes replaced by small absloutist sovereignities? Check. Infrastructure completely destroyed, causing poverty and famine? Check. Remains of old world's building still remain, now useless? Check (some of those aqueducts are still around).
 

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I always thought the one reason why zombies are so overused is identical to the one reason why Nazis are as reoccuring; they are both defined by vague definitions, one of those being that zombies are really, really easy to kill. Genuinely. Their mode of attack consists of their mouth, and no person has successfully killed another person with their mouth moving at a fourth of a meter per second. Some people just like that feeling of complete dominance, and a rabbit lacks accomplishment and a bear lacks the notion to not kill you.

But somehow they're also human, and this gives writers clearance to give them all sorts of intelligience. They may/may not degenerate to a basic pack-like society. They may/may not be able to use basic weapons (or advanced weapons, like a gun). They may/may not have wacky superpowers. More importantly, they are an unknown species and as a result they can do whatever they want. This is all described when you put a zombie in a tank, because we have no idea what it's going to do in that tank. Worst comes to worst it just lies there. Best, the tank is actually a Transformer.

There's also some commentary on bear-baiting and gladiatorial entertainment, and some conceptual thinking on anarchy and predatorial inclinations, but my God, zombies are zombies. Take gun, shoot brain, rinse, repeat, thus is the zombie cycle; writing a thesis paper about the damned things is congesting the "shoot brain-->ecstasy" action.
 

ImprovizoR

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I actually hate zombies and I can't stand these zombie video games and non-zombie video games with zombie DLC's and shit like that. I though that I was lucky to be born in 1989 at the end of the zombie era but fuck, this is even worse than the 80's.
Still, I admit that I like The Walking Dead. But I can appreciate a good TV show whatever the show is about.
 

Jabberwock xeno

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Deshara said:
Jabberwock xeno said:
"no one really knows what happens after death. The only thing we do know is that the concept of an afterlife, any afterlife, even the hot fiery ones, holds more appeal than the notion that our consciousness will simply cease to be."

Never knew you felt that way yahtzee, so do I.
Incidentally, that's a pretty bad generalisation. I guess I can see where that'd be an easy one to make, but plenty of people are pretty ok with the thought that they will simply cease to be when brain-death comes.
Exactly, hence why I was surprised that Yahtzee and I both fear cessation of existence over any hell or afterlife.
 

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Yahtzee Croshaw said:
The only thing we do know is that the concept of an afterlife, any afterlife, even the hot fiery ones, holds more appeal than the notion that our consciousness will simply cease to be.
Speak for yourself, Yahtzee.
 

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You know Yahtzee, I think you're the only one who looks this deeply into zombies. I feel that people like zombies just because it's a trend and developers just want to wring as many zombies out of their customer's palms as possible. Even if you say it's worthwhile to step back and analyse our lives and those around us once in a while, no one does this a lot anymore.

As for zombies that I feel are decently done, I do have a bit of respect for the Headcrab Zombies in Half-Life 2, because I can hear the agonising screams of the person being controlled, and now the situation is much more chilling: they are alive, and there is nothing that you can do to save them. I don't like them because I don't like horror in general, but I do appreciate good horror over bad horror.
 

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Nah. I think zombies are fascinating and frightening to people on various levels, but in terms of why geeks in particular love them, I think you've missed the biggest point: zombies represent everything we hate about modern society, because they're average joes. They represent soulessness, conformity, and a loss of individuality. There's a reason so many zombie movies take place in malls ? all of it is associated with superficiality, capitalism, and the mindless pursuit of stuff. We love zombie apocalypse because in the breakdown of society, being a loner is the only thing that will keep you alive, and we feel good about that.

Basically zombies are everything we're afraid of becoming, because we all want to be special. Particularly geeks and artsies.
Well he didn't say as much, but this could tie into Yahtzee's point about zombies being a perpetual 'other'. This is definitely a different take on it though, and an interesting one at that. Granted, all zombies 'conform' by eating the brains of living humans (instead of, you know, Rice Krispies or whatever).

But yeah, when someone calls you 'zombie', you usually don't interpret that to mean you are a shambling corpse. You interpret it to mean you are a mindless, soulless servitor with no will or individuality to call your own.

Interesting...
 

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I've heard this opinion soooo many times. I happen to agree with it, but I'm still tired of hearing it.

Also, have a bit of the ol' existential angst eh?
 

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theklng said:
likalaruku said:
I don't fear the outsider; it's the pack I hate; faceless ununique nonindividuals. Who doesn't love to see a zombie tear apart a brainless cheerleader/jock or an entire troupe of vapid teenagers?
you have some issues dude, go sort them out. this is not healthy.
Agreed. And furthermore, there is no such thing as a 'faceless, non-unique individual'. That phrase is a complete oxymoron. Just because they aren't loudly trumpeting it in your face or painting canvases and writing beat poetry or whatever doesn't mean a person isn't an individual.

I firmly believe that it is impossible to stop people from having independent thoughts. It's just not that practical to EXPRESS your independent thoughts all the time, which is why this unpleasant fiction about everybody being mindless, soulless sock-puppets, just because they work a 9 to 5 job, exists.

EDIT: My bad, you said "faceless, ununique, nonindividual". That is not an oxymoron, it's just something that doesn't exist.

I've never met or seen anyone who shaved their face off (you can't even do that, can you?), had absolutely nothing unique about them, and had no individuality whatsoever. Ironically, if I did meet someone like that, they would be about the most unique person in the world.

Yes, some people try really hard to conform to other people's expectations. That doesn't mean they're not unique, and aren't individuals. In fact, it says a lot of distinct things about their character; particularly that they're dependent upon others for validation and are probably very insecure.

Maybe that's what you meant. Maybe you don't like insecure people who are leeches and afraid to be themselves. In that case, you are the most non-unique person of all, because you're now a member of a club which at last count contained just about everyone.
 

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likalaruku said:
I don't fear the outsider; it's the pack I hate; faceless ununique nonindividuals. Who doesn't love to see a zombie tear apart a brainless cheerleader/jock or an entire troupe of vapid teenagers?

Where's the part about us liking zombies because they can get away with doing illegal or impossible things such as cannibalism & still being able to walk with two broken legs?

Meh, I wish there were more games where you got to BE a zombie instead of fighting against them.
The attitude you have is most certainly "hating the outsider" by the way.

You have to understand that the "outsider" here means "the group I'm not a part of." From your statements, you clearly do not identify with "cheerleader(s)/jock(s) or... vapid teenagers." So, to you, they are "outsiders."

Understand that I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, it's just human nature.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
bdcjacko said:
Sometimes it is better not to ask questions and just accept. How do bumblebees fly? How do the Amish take over space? How did the dinosaurs die out? These question may never be answered.
I think we may have answered a couple of those.
Not in the amish text books we haven't.
 

likalaruku

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Hexenwolf said:
likalaruku said:
I don't fear the outsider; it's the pack I hate; faceless ununique nonindividuals. Who doesn't love to see a zombie tear apart a brainless cheerleader/jock or an entire troupe of vapid teenagers?

Where's the part about us liking zombies because they can get away with doing illegal or impossible things such as cannibalism & still being able to walk with two broken legs?

Meh, I wish there were more games where you got to BE a zombie instead of fighting against them.
The attitude you have is most certainly "hating the outsider" by the way.

You have to understand that the "outsider" here means "the group I'm not a part of." From your statements, you clearly do not identify with "cheerleader(s)/jock(s) or... vapid teenagers." So, to you, they are "outsiders."

Understand that I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, it's just human nature.
The outsider is the person who does not join any group & expresses an individual opinion, the insider is the person who feels like they need to belong to something & not go against the wishes or tastes of the group.
 

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Reminds me of a piece Simon Pegg did on why zombies shouldn't run:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/nov/04/television-simon-pegg-dead-set

I agree with Yahtzee's arguments. There is something cathartic in justifiable slaughter of our own sick species. The creation of zombies usually comes about because of man's mistakes (man made viruses, chemicals, etc.) So it's nice to be able to step back, shoot a zombie in the head, and say "see? they started it".
 

Hexenwolf

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likalaruku said:
Hexenwolf said:
likalaruku said:
I don't fear the outsider; it's the pack I hate; faceless ununique nonindividuals. Who doesn't love to see a zombie tear apart a brainless cheerleader/jock or an entire troupe of vapid teenagers?

Where's the part about us liking zombies because they can get away with doing illegal or impossible things such as cannibalism & still being able to walk with two broken legs?

Meh, I wish there were more games where you got to BE a zombie instead of fighting against them.
The attitude you have is most certainly "hating the outsider" by the way.

You have to understand that the "outsider" here means "the group I'm not a part of." From your statements, you clearly do not identify with "cheerleader(s)/jock(s) or... vapid teenagers." So, to you, they are "outsiders."

Understand that I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, it's just human nature.
The outsider is the person who does not join any group & expresses an individual opinion, the insider is the person who feels like they need to belong to something & not go against the wishes or tastes of the group.
Context is important mate. Outsider as I described it is how it was presented in the article. I'm not trying to argue the general definition.
 

Novania

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I absolutely fucking positively recommend the new show The Walking Dead on AMC....ITS FUCKING AWESOME!!!
 

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Alright, but in actuality people like zombie games because it means killing stuff in high abundance.

Actually, I have no idea why zombies are in so much stuff these days. I'm assuming what I just said has something to do with it (at least in video games). Quick question: if you don't like burials or cremation, what would you propose we do with the bodies of friends and relatives? Unlike you, many people actually have loved ones; therefore, they feel the need to not just roll them into a ditch somewhere.
 

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I've got to wonder how a Hindu would react to news of a zombie apocalypse. "No issues here, friend... we've been practicing cremation for hundreds of years."

Also, zombies represent slow, easy targets for firearms, and they spray so delightfully when shot. Or hit with a large blunt object. What's not to like about that?
 

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I agree with your statements. I thought I could add another point, but that would just fall under 1 or 2.

In that context, I would state that Zombies represent, in the terms of horror, an utterly relentless enemy that will never tire or rest until you are dead, and the best that you can hope is an inevitable defeat against an onslaught of endless hunger. Defeat is inevitable.

I can say that the inclusion of zombies could be somewhat lazy though.... Most applications seem to be a "We cant think of anything so lets throw in zombies".
 

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well I guess that makes sense, unless my mind has simply been turned to jello by yahtzee's constant brainwashing...