BoredRolePlayer said:
Yeah because if no one had complained Microsoft would never have extended the warranties for the RRoD, because you know people rewarded how bad that was with a nice class action lawsuit.
Of course, people didn't file a class-action lawsuit against the RROD, not that I can find. Oh, I can find several class-action suits for various reasons, but none that address the RROD. So your claim already falls flat.
People instead rewarded Microsoft by buying multiple copies of the same console. Microsoft was already working to fix design flaws, and that's the way gaming tends to work: rush to market, fix later. The only RROD suits I found were based on this and after Microsoft had already opted for a 3 year warranty for old consoles.
Oh, and they went nowhere. Microsoft was never pushed to action by a single suit I can find[footnote]regarding these specific problems; they've obviously been pushed to action by lawsuits in the past.[/footnote], much less an actual class-action lawsuit. And they won't be in the future, because gamers have signed away that right. Which makes the class-action argument even more impotent. What will they do with the PS4 for Xbone?
Well, pretty much what they did before: nothing.
Keep in mind also that when class action suits did come up, the gaming community at large attacked and berated users who would dare go after our console overlords.
Consoles sneak in the firmware updates that if you get this update you can't have a class action lawsuit against us yet you need to to use most of the features it has.
No, you misunderstand. All they need to do is change the terms of use. The whole "sneak it in in updates" thing is interesting, but they don't need to in order to do it. Case in point: Xbone and PS4. They didn't even sneak it in. It's boilderplate now, and people who bought these consoles have no excuse.
And again, by being willing participants, they have nobody but themselves to blame.
I doubt the Bone or PS4 will have the level of problems of the 360, but if they do have such problems, well, people signed on with no regard.
So yeah you can go "har har those losers bought there console early and it broke and the company fixed it and I can enjoy the new revision", yet those people were the ones who complained enough to get those changes.
For one thing, I would never say "har har, those losers bought there console early."
I don't know why they're buying their consoles there anyway.
And before I forget, I'll just add that the odds are against me getting either of these consoles, so trying to indicate I'm going to reap the benefits of their loss is utterly absurd. In fact, the new console generation was what really pushed me to finally update my PC so it could handle upcoming games. Whether these early adopters screw themselves is of little consequence to me.
You seem to be mistaking lack of sympathy with an outright attack or mockery of them. I'm not going to laugh because bad consumers get what they deserve for being bad consumers. That doesn't mean I'm going to be outraged at it, either. If you want something so bad you will buy it without reviews, or demonstration, or reasonable assurance, then you are gambling, pure and simple.
Even if you don't know you're gambling, you're gambling. And if you don't know it, you're a bad consumer. I don't get why I should feel bad for people who are throwing money around expecting quality despite all prior evidence.
I mean, look at it this way: every prior Playstation console and one portable had hardware issues at launch. Some worse than others, but only one got a class action suit and that was years after the launch. Both of Microsoft's consoles have had launch issues, neither of which ended in a class action lawsuit (of any relevance).
Why would any reasonable person assume that the new consoles were going to be different? This is a serious question, BTW, not a rhetorical one. Maybe there's a reason I'm just not seeing. But you haven't put forth a compelling argument yet.
But the reality, regardless of what should or should not be, is that this is what happens when millions of people rush out and blindly purchase a product. Companies assume a faulty launch run is acceptable, because the consumer has made it so.
And if you run out and buy on what a company "should" or "might" do, that's just foolish.
