Why you MUST not use an ad blocker - unless you want to pay for content

Lady Kathleen

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I posted this in the latest ENN discussion thread, and then realized I feel strongly about this, and I want lots of people to see it.

Rant follows:

Back in the days of TV, we expected to get quality programming for free, but we understood that we got it in exchange for watching advertising. The ads supported the shows, and the people who worked the shows on them got paid decent salaries.

Nowadays, the internet is still trying to figure out how to make money for itself. The content is still free, but there is no implicit contract between the viewers and the advertisers.

So, while the system works itself out, advertisers are trying to put TV style ads with internet content (which is on the whole much shorter because no content creators can afford to produce TV length content as the monetization system just isn't in place yet) and we get complaints that the ads are almost as long as the video you want to watch. Things will sort themselves out in time. The internet needs to find the most efficient way to make money. But, please keep watching the ads.

Here's why:

When you use an adblocker - who are you hurting with this seemingly innocent act?

Advertisers? Yes, a little bit, they lose some eyes on their message.

Websites? Yes, a little bit, as they lose a fraction of a cent for each ad you don't see.

Content Creators and regular people? Yes! Why? Crap flows downhill my friend.

You? The most - read on.

The internet needs content - videos, columns, comics, porn, whatever. Without content, there would be no internet. I think everyone can agree people who create quality content should be paid a fair market rate for their time, but the money to pay for the content that drives the eyeballs to the site doesn't come from thin air. It comes in exchange for people seeing advertisements. (Or an equivalent - pub club members don't see ads because they've already paid for the content.)

If people don't see advertisements, the ads don't get clicks and don't get their message across. This means advertisers pay the websites less and less, and lose confidence in the internet as a marketing system because it doesn't really seem to work.

When websites don't make money, they close down shop (after all, a business isn't in the business of providing you free entertainment), lay off employees, and certainly can't afford to pay content creators fair value (or any value) for their work. Sure, content creators can work for free to do something they love (something I personally did for 7 years before LRR started working with the Escapist), but at some point, you have to give up a hobby that costs you money and time and find a real job.

Before you say I'm whining, keep in mind I do have a real job. I sit at a desk 4 days a week (my company is actually wonderful and supportive of my other job - LRR) so I can work Fridays, Saturdays, evenings (and sometimes Sundays) to provide you with free content.

So, when you block ads, you take away the money that compensates me for this work. You reduce the profitability of sites like The Escapist that are willing to pay me, (instead of expecting it for free as many sites do, as there's lots of content out there, and a website has to pay its bills and keep roofs over its employee's heads before it considers paying contractors like me) and you reduce my ability to make content until I get to the point where I say, "you know what, screw it, and go back to working 5 days a week because I can't AFFORD to do what I love" and I stop making internet funny times.

By refusing to pay for content or watch ads, you slowly strangle the creative people who make it for you. And you don't strangle the 14 year old kid who puts up stuff on his deviant art profile, you strangle the incredibly talented web-cartoonist who stops working on comics to do more professional illustration work. You strangle the really talented writers who go back to day jobs in marketing. You kill the best content by keeping its creators from getting fair compensation.

Sure, there's new content always being created, but the creators won't keep making it for you for free forever. Eventually, they'll have to grow up and move on with their lives. And who will be worse off?

YOU.

So holy shit, if you like an artist, buy a print. If you like ENN, watch an ad. If you like a writer, buy their book. If you refuse to pay for content, eventually there won't be an quality content for you to refuse to pay for.
 

Sleekgiant

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Still not gonna convince me to stop blocking ads on sites : /

I have no need to on this site since I'm pubclub.

Why should I have to put up with bandwidth killing ads, my internet is slow as it is already. Its inconsiderate of them to make the size ads they do, so if they want people to not block them off, then cut those bastards down to a reasonable size.
 

The Lunatic

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It's a nice message, and in an ideal world, everyone would accept a "I give you something, you do a small thing for me in return." policy, I mean, it's just watching a 30 second clip or putting up with a banner, or whatever, however, the problem is that it's just so easy to bypass these things.

I can install a free add-on to firefox with boasts about being able to block "90% of web ads" and such, and anonymously, effortlessly and, vitally, without repercussions, I can completely avoid having to do this "Small thing" to make it worth while for the contribute.

However, the problem for you guys, is, what can you actually do to stop it? I mean, Kudos for making a thread and explaining in very good detail and putting forward points on something you're clearly quite opinionated on. However, fact is, less people that visit the site will read this post, less of those will read it entirely and some who do, or don't don't change their actions.

I'm afraid it's just Par-for-course. Like piracy, people want something, for no cost. Weather that be time or money.

I do hope people read this and heed your message however.
 

Danzaivar

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tl;dr version: Advertisers can't advertise when you don't see the advertisements. ADVERT!

I completely agree with you, but there is certainly a point with regards to people who don't install things like adblocks aren't likely to be the kind of people who would be receptive to the ads anyway. That argument is negated by the fact companies per per view of ads as well as per click, but hey.

You know, I do see a workaround for this situation. Just make it so the scripts that generate the adverts are also used to deliver the content of a page. That way you get no advert but no content either!
 

Private Custard

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I don't use ad-blockers, but I do stop watching telly when the ads come on.

Also, if I need something, I'll go and find it at a decent price. I don't need an ad to tell me anything!
 

spartan1077

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After reading that, I'm glad I don't use adblockers. Like commercials, ads are just there to make money. Even if I never click on the ads, the webstie makes moeny from puttting them there(doesn't it?) so thnx for the info Kathleen. I'll pass the message onto my friends :p

Besides, a 30 second slimjim commercial is worth watching some of the stuff on here. I don't complain.
 

KefkaCultist

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Aside from the Slim Jim add with the WWE champion, ninjas, and the 2 annoying kids that annoyed the hell out of me I never really had a problem with adds. They're only 30-ish seconds and while they're playing I usually open another tab and check youtube subscriptions or read some threads on Escapist.

I hate people that say "well its only a little money that they lose." Because it may only be a little bit of money for 1 person but when everyone starts blocking adds then the money quickly adds up
 

Scarecrow

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I don't get adds....maybe it's becuase I'm in Australia. And what are Slim Jims?
 

Megalodon

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Firstly, I don't use an adblocker.
While you are basically correct, a little variation in the ads would be nice. Take yesterday, I watched a couple of ENNs as I was bored. I had to watch the same Fable 3 ad about 4 times in about 20 minutes, that actually makes me less likely to buy the game. Or it's advertising something like Nissan cars that I am just not going to buy. This isn't really a criticism of something in particular. The site needs to make money and products need to be marketed, I know. But a little variation would be nice.
To reiterate, I don't adblock and have no intention of doing so. But watching the same ad again and again defeats the point of the ad in the first place, in my opinion anyway.
 

Lady Kathleen

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For those of you saying "I still don't want to see ads I'm still going to block them" - nobody expects you to look at every ad and memorize it. I glaze over ads for things I don't care about in magazines, and ignore TV commercials for erectile dysfunction medications. You can too!

However, I don't expect to read a magazine without ads, and if I do I expect to pay a lot more for it because they get their revenue from subscriptions (like the Canadian Politics magazine, The Walrus) - Pub Club members don't get ads because their subscription pays for the content.

See where I'm going here?
 
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I can completely agree. However some ads are just so god damn annoying its not surprising people use an adblocker. Ads on The Escapist aren't so bad. They stay in their corners and in the beginning of videos. Those are fine and I gladly put up with them.

ads that flash like crazy, video ads that play automatically(why can't it just load and not play?), ads that download themselves to my fucking PC and play at startup. Yes I've had those, and they're pains in the ass to the highest degree.

When companies put those ones out, its no wonder people use adblockers.

Hopefully things, as you said, work themselves out. I don't use adblocks myself, and put up with a lot of the more annoying ones, but I really hope companies get the message that the giant, flashing, automatically playing ads suck the most.

EDIT: Another thing. Advertisers, could you please mix up ads for certain sites a bit? Nobody likes seeing an ad for energy drinks 8 times in a fucking row. All it does is put more people off your product.
 

Firoth

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Sleekgiant said:
Why should I have to put up with bandwidth killing ads, my internet is slow as it is already. Its inconsiderate of them to make the size ads they do, so if they want people to not block them off, then cut those bastards down to a reasonable size.
This. This, so hard.
I have a little laptop that I like to use outside, to get some sun while I surf. I'd like to use it more, but, it's practically useless for most of the sites I like to go on because as soon as an ad starts playing, my laptop has an emotional meltdown...Then the rest of the 5 or 6 ads on the screen start playing. And, it's not a bad laptop, it's fairly new, and can handle a lot. It's just those ads...Even my PC will start to seize up from them once in a while if I'm streaming or something.
My surfing shouldn't be forced to a crawl just so they can play their annoying ads that suddenly start screaming at me when they load or blow up to fill the whole screen because I passed over a corner of the ad. And, I've never once seen an ad for something that I would even consider needing or wanting or that I didn't already know about and plan on buying.

Also, I don't use an adblocker, as my frustration should be evidence of.
 

Floppertje

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don't companies already know people hardly watch ads? that's why commercial time is more expensive at the start and end of commercial blocks: in the middle, everyone zaps away or goes to the bathroom or whatever.
a better way to fix this is to make people want to see the ad by making it funny or just cool, that way people will stay and watch. 30 seconds of giggles is way better than 30 seconds of 'oh-my-god-this-is-annoying-shut-the-hell-up'.
 
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I watch the adverts, I find them mildly irritating, but no more than the 'Go Compare' guy or any regular adverts I'd see on television. I do wish that there was more variance in the adverts though, because for me they are actually hurting their sales.

Let me explain.

I have watched the advert for Fable 3 over two dozen times now, from various sites which feature it, and I am now utterly convinced I am not going to buy Fable 3. It irritates me so much every time it comes on. The first time I saw it I thought, 'huh, that actually looks quite good, might give it a shot.' After 24 consecutive views because the adverts never change? Not so much.

Same with the 'I'm a PC and Windows 7 was my idea' adverts. I ended up feeling more like I would willingly switch operating systems.

Over-exposure is not helping these companies. The reason TV adverts work is because you see one every thirty minutes. Not repetitive enough to get truly annoying, but enough to ingrain it into your consciousness. Internet adverts need to work the same way, assuming that people will watch more than one video at once, and not over-saturate. (No, I don't know how they would do this, but people have lost sales through over-advertising to me at least.)

Anyway, man up and lose the 'I must have it now' attitude. Learn a little patience people.

Oh, and sorry Kathleen, because I think you made a good point but I am an Obsessive grammar Nazi, but you 'lose', not 'loose.' Sorry, just a little irritation.
 

karl_eller

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I stopped using AdBlocker a while ago, because it kept messing up forum and webpage layouts, plus it was annoying to set up. But this is something I've seen brought up by a few webcomic artists I read and some software developers I know, who rely on ads to pay for their hosts and keep their services free (or low cost). Generally I don't find adds a problem, provided that they aren't too annoying (pop-ups) or obscene. Like you learn to ignore the ads on TV, you learn to ignore the ads online.

And I don't get ads at the start of Escapist videos. Does it have something to do with where you're connecting from (Australia) or the browser you're using (chrome)?
 

Redlin5_v1legacy

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Wahful said:
Everyone should just join the PubClub :)
I want to, I really do :|

OT: I just zone out when an ad goes. I'm too lazy to go out and look for an ad blocker. I don't know, they're irritating but I know why they are there. If F5 doesn't kill the ad, I just deal with it.

Also to anyone thinking about it, DO NOT post link or recommend an ad blocker for this site. You will get mod wrath!
 

TeeBs

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I don't mind pop ups, I just wish that the companys would lower the amount of REM it takes to see said ads.
My Fucking DSi crashes every time I try to use it.
 

Megalodon

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SirBryghtside said:
Honestly? That doesn't matter. The simple fact that you watch it means that the people who pay the contributors will have to pay the contributors.

And I've never used AdBlocker *casts evil glare upon those who do*
But when ads make me want to puposefully avoid the product being advertised, the system either isn't working properly or makes no damn sense.
MelasZepheos said:
I watch the adverts, I find them mildly irritating, but no more than the 'Go Compare' guy or any regular adverts I'd see on television. I do wish that there was more variance in the adverts though, because for me they are actually hurting their sales.

Let me explain.

I have watched the advert for Fable 3 over two dozen times now, from various sites which feature it, and I am now utterly convinced I am not going to buy Fable 3. It irritates me so much every time it comes on. The first time I saw it I thought, 'huh, that actually looks quite good, might give it a shot.' After 24 consecutive views because the adverts never change? Not so much.

Same with the 'I'm a PC and Windows 7 was my idea' adverts. I ended up feeling more like I would willingly switch operating systems.

Over-exposure is not helping these companies. The reason TV adverts work is because you see one every thirty minutes. Not repetitive enough to get truly annoying, but enough to ingrain it into your consciousness. Internet adverts need to work the same way, assuming that people will watch more than one video at once, and not over-saturate. (No, I don't know how they would do this, but people have lost sales through over-advertising to me at least.)

Anyway, man up and lose the 'I must have it now' attitude. Learn a little patience people.
Excellent, I'm not the only one.