Wii games

[Brainbomb]

MY opinion is all about why people put so much emphasis on graphics, controls, or any small part of a game and do not actually take the time to enjoy a game, no matter how bad it is.

Put emphasis on 'small' parts of a game? Enjoy a game no matter how bad it is? Enjoy a bad game? Honestly, do you listen to youself? What about that makes any sense in the least?

1. These 'small parts' directly affect the quality of the game. As such, if all of them are rather bad, then it is safe to say the game itself is bad.

2. I, for one, don't enjoy bad games for much the same reason I don't enjoy anything else of poor quality. If the game's bad then there's really not anything to enjoy about it. If all the individual parts are bad, then the the game as a whole is bad.

I could make the same argument about a car. A car that is severely dented, has poor breaks, no stereo, has terribly uncomortable seats, a engine in dire shape, and a leak in the gas tank canNOT be considered a good car, nor fun to drive.

Honestly, this is pathetic. I wash my hands of this silliness.

I meant enjoy a game and not hate it for it faults such as graphics or controls. And it is pretty shallow of you to only look into a game's visual qualities or controls rather than the things that actually matter, such as a story, characters, etc., the things in the game rather than the things that limit it.

It's not shallow at all. Well, graphics yes, getting hung up on JUST them would be stupid, but a game just looking bad is inexcusable. There's no defending it. I'm not demanding ultra-realism here. As I've alread said, I love games that have a good aesthetic (like Okami, Braid, Rez, all of which, btw, do NOT have the supr graphics blindly toted by most games today).

However, gameplay is integral, and saying that gameplay doesn't matter reveals your MONUMENTAL ignorance. I think you're also assuming alot about my character. You're assuming that I'm some mindless Halo-obsessed moron like so many today. Let me tell you, I'm well beyond that. I'm also well beyond letting story excuse bad game play, and vice versa. While there's no perfect formula between the two, they should be balanced. Of course, like in any system, there exceptions, but we're not going to be going that in-depth.

That being said, CoD has never been known for its story and characters. Neither of which are really of high caliber (if you want good story, try Half Life, Deus Ex, Planescape: Torment, Bioshock, Grim Fandango, Portal, KOTOR, etc). I can say this with the experience of a seasoned veteran. In turn, CoD has traditionally had solid gameplay, and really capitalized on it with good online support. However, all the good things of CoD (not really my favorite franchise, anyway) have gone sour and/or dropped off. As such, there's nothing left.

 

[thiosk]

The RE4 controls are widely considered brilliant, not wonky.

That said, if you are going to do a wii game, do it RIGHT, do NOT port the ps3 version and slap on some motion controls.

Will make a bad game simply merchandise at that point.

 

[BNguyen]

MY opinion is all about why people put so much emphasis on graphics, controls, or any small part of a game and do not actually take the time to enjoy a game, no matter how bad it is.

Put emphasis on 'small' parts of a game? Enjoy a game no matter how bad it is? Enjoy a bad game? Honestly, do you listen to youself? What about that makes any sense in the least?

1. These 'small parts' directly affect the quality of the game. As such, if all of them are rather bad, then it is safe to say the game itself is bad.

2. I, for one, don't enjoy bad games for much the same reason I don't enjoy anything else of poor quality. If the game's bad then there's really not anything to enjoy about it. If all the individual parts are bad, then the the game as a whole is bad.

I could make the same argument about a car. A car that is severely dented, has poor breaks, no stereo, has terribly uncomortable seats, a engine in dire shape, and a leak in the gas tank canNOT be considered a good car, nor fun to drive.

Honestly, this is pathetic. I wash my hands of this silliness.

I meant enjoy a game and not hate it for it faults such as graphics or controls. And it is pretty shallow of you to only look into a game's visual qualities or controls rather than the things that actually matter, such as a story, characters, etc., the things in the game rather than the things that limit it.

It's not shallow at all. Well, graphics yes, getting hung up on JUST them would be stupid, but a game just looking bad is inexcusable. There's no defending it. I'm not demanding ultra-realism here. As I've alread said, I love games that have a good aesthetic (like Okami, Braid, Rez, all of which, btw, do NOT have the supr graphics blindly toted by most games today).

However, gameplay is integral, and saying that gameplay doesn't matter reveals your MONUMENTAL ignorance. I think you're also assuming alot about my character. You're assuming that I'm some mindless Halo-obsessed moron like so many today. Let me tell you, I'm well beyond that. I'm also well beyond letting story excuse bad game play, and vice versa. While there's no perfect formula between the two, they should be balanced. Of course, like in any system, there exceptions, but we're not going to be going that in-depth.

That being said, CoD has never been known for its story and characters. Neither of which are really of high caliber (if you want good story, try Half Life, Deus Ex, Planescape: Torment, Bioshock, Grim Fandango, Portal, KOTOR, etc). I can say this with the experience of a seasoned veteran. In turn, CoD has traditionally had solid gameplay, and really capitalized on it with good online support. However, all the good things of CoD (not really my favorite franchise, anyway) have gone sour and/or dropped off. As such, there's nothing left.

I never made mention that gameplay doesn't matter, I simply said that just because a game doesn't fit your visual wants such as moderate or bad graphics, maybe a slight error in controlling, or simply because one version of a game doesn't have something another version of the same game does shouldn't stop you from actually getting the game and trying it, you might even enjoy it.
And I said you were shallow because you assume that I should only care about the visuals and controls instead of everything else about the game. I don't really care if a game has a few faults, that doesn't stop me from enjoying playing it.
A game with faults that you enjoy is like a diamond in the rough.

 

[alister1313]

Its because the controller for the Wii is a gimicky and akward and the graphics are half way between a PS and PS2

 

[Quaidis]

There is a valid reason why people avoid certain ports to the Wii, and that is [as stated already] that the controls of the Wii were not thought through all that admirably when the game was ported. Yes, some ported games on the Wii are fine. Some multi-platform games that are also on the Wii can be considered better for that system because of the shooting or arm-waving or specific button mechanic. But that doesn't excuse the fact that some games (including CoD) had controls sloppily slapped on like a sick fish to a nice piece of toast and were thereafter concluded as "Tasting as great as the others!" by the lazy developer regardless of how it panned out. This case was especially true in the beginning of the Wii's era; and even Wii-only third-party games were not excluded from the mix.

That's not saying that every single port or multi-platform for the Wii is bad, though. Old ports from the GameCube had an easy guide to the Wii controls, like RE4. PS2 ports by now have figured the Wii controls out. And some games, such as certain movie games I'd care not to mention, suck no matter which system it is put on.

Unless someone is noticeably in the wrong on a Wii game, blowing steam for no other reason than joining a crowd of smokers because it's 'cool', then I don't blame someone if they see a 360 version of a game and a Wii version of the same game, then decide that that 360 version is better through reading reviews of both that the 360 has better controls or game-play standards (such as multi-player in some cases where multi-player is the only good part of the game) than its console counterpart. It doesn't give them an excuse to piss on the Wii game (unless of course they purchased the Wii game to learn that the controls were so bad that the game was unplayable and, therefore, had justification), but at the same time no one should have any reason to question their choice.

I understand that all systems can have bad controls in a game. There are plenty of 360 or PS3 games with questionable controls. However this point is mute under the fact that if a game is released on all three platforms and one of the platforms has utterly dreadful game-play/control standards concerning that game, people should not be questioned if they avoid the game on that specific platform.

I could make the same argument about a car. A car that is severely dented, has poor breaks, no stereo, has terribly uncomfortable seats, a engine in dire shape, and a leak in the gas tank canNOT be considered a good car, nor fun to drive.

You have obviously never driven an old Geo Metro on the express before, or I dare say you'd be eating your words. Now there is some adventure, excitement, and fun!



edit - Random edits, including small grammatical mistakes and a typo of 'the'. To tell the truth, I spent more time editing my post than writing it.

 

[Brainbomb]

I never made mention that gameplay doesn't matter, I simply said that just because a game doesn't fit your visual wants such as moderate or bad graphics, maybe a slight error in controlling, or simply because one version of a game doesn't have something another version of the same game does shouldn't stop you from actually getting the game and trying it, you might even enjoy it.
And I said you were shallow because you assume that I should only care about the visuals and controls instead of everything else about the game. I don't really care if a game has a few faults, that doesn't stop me from enjoying playing it.
A game with faults that you enjoy is like a diamond in the rough.

Not only does not a single part of the game fit into my 'narrow' wants, its all of poor quality. The game just looks bad, the terrible controls are a great deal botched than a "slight" error, the story (if you can call it that) is non-existent.

No, I DID NOT assume that graphics and controls are all you should care about, do not put words into my mouth. I assumed that you knew that the 'story' of that load of crap was not that at all. Apparently you don't.

Your "diamond in the rough" argument does not apply here. The controls suck, the games looks awful, there's not much content, there's no quality to the story. There is nothing good about this game. Nothing. Period. You were out in left field before you even started.

 

[AdmiralWolverineLightningbolt]

dunno about you guys, but i actually much prefer cod5 on wii because of the controls

if i want a zombie game, i'll play resident evil
that one missing level isnt even a very good level

controls made this game for me