Wii U to be quickly outdated?

[razer17]

Soooooo.... You all really care that much about graphics? Haha don't play Xenoblade then.

Wii had some of the best games this gen. Wii-U will follow the same path of innovative ideas and using the tech well to make good games. But, you hate on it.

FYI, I work in a RadioShack and you guys really have NOOOOO IDEA how fast tablets sell. This is going to make BIG MONEY.

Why would developers, when they are developing for PS4 and Xbox 3, bother to develop for the Wii U? they are porting current gen games because that's all the power the Wii U has, but when devs start putting out games on the next generation, the Wii U will be forgotten by most third parties, becuase it won't be powerful enough to port the games from other consoles.

And you really sound like a fanboy with phrases like "haha don't play Xenoblade then", it's kind of hard to take you seriously. Tablets might sell well, but the Wii U controller isn't going to be used as a tablet. Why buy the clunky Wii U controller (which I don't think would even function like a normal tablet) when you could get a sleeker, better equipped alternative, probably cheaper.

The Wii wasn fairly innovative. A waggly controller that was badly implemented in a lot of games, and that was generally ignored for the most part even in some First party games, but the ideas were good. The Wii U on the other hand is showing almost no innovation. It isn't improving hardware, it will still use the Wii remote. It might have the touch tablet thing on it's controllers, but that's nothing but a gimmick, what game is really going to use two seperate screens, touch control, motion control, dual analogues and buttons all at once?

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Snip.

Exactly. If I wanted to play an Xbox game, or a PS3 game, I would go to the Xbox or PS3. The fact that Nintendo are bringing something different to the table is what sets them apart.

On top of this I can occasionally see where people calling things a gimmick are coming from, but I'd say its the use of the tech as opposed to the tech itself that is gimmicky. With the Wii for example, some games used the tech really well and it felt like the motion control was actually adding to the experience rather than detracting from it. Waggly shovelware on the other hand didn't.

Yeah I agree with that second point, but really I'm more talking about the people who see anything other than the standard Xbox or PS3 controller to be "Gimmicky shit". Just look at ZombiU, that game's using the controller in an AMAZING way. Mainly to actually make a survival horror game where even going into your inventory is in real time, meaning no zombies just standing still waiting for you to pick out your best gun to defeat them with. Also the way stuff like Keypads are on the controller, so you have to be quick or a zombie will kill your ass. And zombies will kill you, a lot because one bite equals death.

 

[The Diabolical Biz]

Snip.

Exactly. If I wanted to play an Xbox game, or a PS3 game, I would go to the Xbox or PS3. The fact that Nintendo are bringing something different to the table is what sets them apart.

On top of this I can occasionally see where people calling things a gimmick are coming from, but I'd say its the use of the tech as opposed to the tech itself that is gimmicky. With the Wii for example, some games used the tech really well and it felt like the motion control was actually adding to the experience rather than detracting from it. Waggly shovelware on the other hand didn't.

Yeah I agree with that second point, but really I'm more talking about the people who see anything other than the standard Xbox or PS3 controller to be "Gimmicky shit". Just look at ZombiU, that game's using the controller in an AMAZING way. Mainly to actually make a survival horror game where even going into your inventory is in real time, meaning no zombies just standing still waiting for you to pick out your best gun to defeat them with. Also the way stuff like Keypads are on the controller, so you have to be quick or a zombie will kill your ass. And zombies will kill you, a lot because one bite equals death.

I was trying to get at the same thing in a roundabout sort of way. ZombiU looks like a hell of a lot of fun, and the whole 'one life' thing is an interesting concept. Of course we'll have to wait and see how it pans out, but put me down as cautiously optimistic.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Reading some of the criticisms in this thread I have no idea what people want from Nintendo. It seems like they'd rather have them stop producing consoles entirely than try something new and interesting. Either that or just make the NintendoBox3, and try and be like Sony and Microsoft.

I'm not saying that the WiiU is a guaranteed day one purchase for me, but I think it has a lot of potential. The amount of stick Nintendo get for trying to innovate - seriously, say gimmick one more time, I dare you, I double dare you mother-fucker - simply beggars belief.

I agree with this too. The word "Gimmick" is holding back the whole industry. Nintendo tries to do something new, and change the way we play games and everyone shouts "GIMMICKY SHIT I GO BACK TO XBOX NOW!". Then they don't buy it, and because of that other companies see making innovative stuff like the Wii U as too risky and will just make the Xbox or the PS3 with better graphical power. Then people complain there's not enough innovation in the industry...

Seriously gamers, get your shit together and stop calling ANY new innovation a "Gimmick", it just makes you look like whiney douches who don't want change.

Yeah, this pisses me off beyond belief.

People are shouting about stagnation and they want new shit. What is the first post I see about the new star wars IP: "Oh, I wanted it to be a sequel to X, Y or Z". I mean, really?

Nintendo is doing something different, get your shit together and stop complaining.

I'm going to laugh at their faces when in a few years Microsoft and Sony unveil their new consoles, with incredibly likely and crappy DRM, games that will most likely cost 80 dollars or more and just sequels at launch. Whilst Nintendo has a less powerful console, that has backwards compatibility, no DRM and cheap games. I've heard nothing but bad things rumoured about the next Microsoft and Sony consoles, yet people are still waiting for them instead because "they're not using teh crappeh gimmickz!"

 

[Ranylyn]

All I see in this thread is literally "duurrrr graphics."

EDIT: The haters, I mean. Forgot to specify there's actually intelligent debate going on between nonhaters.

Mask it under feigned intelligence if you like, it's all the same.

"The Next PS and Xbox will render it obsolete due to technological limitations."

So rather than look at all the possible gameplay applications of the whole tablet controller thing, and of course, the amazing success of the DS, and how touchscreen gimmicks can actually be downright amazing if used well (and not shamelessly/needlessly shoehorned in.) You guys are looking PURELY at GRAPHICS.

Honestly, graphics are a huge budget sink; they're often the most expensive part of a game's budget, and honestly, if a game can't be good without top of the line graphics, then the graphics themselves won't save the game, so it's ultimately stupid to think of graphics as important.

I'll openly admit that the Wii has a lot of trash shovelware titles. But that doesn't shrink it's library of good games. Honestly, the number of "good" games on each console this gen is actually pretty damn even if you just meet one simple criteria: Not being a brainless consumer whore who buys the next installment in once-good series gone bad. And especially if we eliminate multiplatform titles, because exclusives are a good way to judge whether something's worth getting or not, suddenly the Wii begins to outright shine.

I'm not a Nintendo fanboy. I have all of the major consoles and handhelds of this gen (Not counting the 3DS and Vita, since I'm between jobs right now - but honestly, I really don't want to give Sony my money anymore after the BS that went down last year. And I don't mean the security comprimise) and have actually not played my Wii at all in a few months simply since my actual TV is dead and I don't have a component-to-DVI adapter (while I do have an HDMI to DVI converter for my PS3/360.) I'm a gamer who likes good games, regardless of platform. And I say that really, Nintendo takes way too much flak.

If you want to be a total consumer whore and be all "graphicsgraphicsgraphics" and take any bad game a dev throws at you so long as it looks good, then by all means, continue to give your money to people who don't deserve it. If you can enjoy a game that looks decent without being utterly stellar, then keep an open mind to the WiiU. You might be pleasantly surprised, like I was, when I was skeptical about the DS.

 

[VoidWanderer]

At the rate technology grows, as soon as it is available to purchase the technology will be out of date. So this is an uphill arguement.

How long will it last, would be a better question.

 

[Epona]

Wii had some of the best games this gen. Wii-U will follow the same path of innovative ideas and using the tech well to make good games. But, you hate on it.

All three systems had some of the best games this gen.

 

[Epona]

I disagree with the Wii U not having any staying power, It actually gives way to third party developers to be creative and experiment new ideas, on a less demanding console. the next generation will hardly have any games developed for it, which will let the Wii U flourish.

The Wii let third party developers be creative for cheaper too but they still abandoned it. What makes the WiiU different?

 

[idarkphoenixi]

People said the exact same thing about the Gamecube...and the Wii. Give them a little credibility, the reason Nintendo does so well is because it doesn't actually try to compete with sony/microsoft directly. Not to mention the hardcore fans will be salavating over every exclusive they come up with. Zelda, Super Smash Bros., Metroid, Mario, Pikmin (I could go on).

 

[WanderingFool]

yeah..personally I dont really see who this console is for

Thats my thoughts. Just looking at some of the games, the Wii U doesnt seem to have many games to call its own, a number of them are games going to be available on the PS3 and 360, which people already have. The only thing to really sell the WiiU will be the exclusives for it.

 

[Epona]

People said the exact same thing about the Gamecube...and the Wii. Give them a little credibility, the reason Nintendo does so well is because it doesn't actually try to compete with sony/microsoft directly. Not to mention the hardcore fans will be salavating over every exclusive they come up with. Zelda, Super Smash Bros., Metroid, Mario, Pikmin (I could go on).

The Gamecube was in last place.

 

[rob_simple]

Wii had some of the best games this gen. Wii-U will follow the same path of innovative ideas and using the tech well to make good games. But, you hate on it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....Oh no, wait....AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

OT: I don't think anyone can say for certain how this thing is going to perform, just like no one could have properly predicted how massively the Wii would sell (although I'd remind you all that high sales are not indicative of quality.)

My worry for Nintendo is that this is going to be another Virtual Boy: with the Wii they had something that was a bit novel but still easy to get to grips with which is what made it so appealing to the dipshit casuals brigade and lifers, alike.

The Wii U, on the other hand, may just have too many fancy bits and and bobs to appeal to that broad audience beyond trying it in a shop and, honestly, I think most people that game seriously still just want to pick up a normal controller and play a game without having to jog around the room or do backflips while popping their shoulder out the socket pretending to be a real boxer.

Only time will tell, I suppose.

 

[yunabomb]

All I see in this thread is literally "duurrrr graphics."

But didn't you know that graphics and processing power are the only forms of innovation in video games? And everyone wants to pay $600 for the best graphics when they're concerned about their job security, right?

I also love the attitude that so many people take towards casual games. I don't care whether anyone is interested in casual games. What I don't get is how hardcore gamers take the "casual games aren't real games" to the point where they ignore how profitable casual games can be. Likewise, they also ignore how many casual games have been very innovative.

Now that I am done rolling my eyes at ignorant hardcore gamers, I'll address a possible issue for the Wii U: the casual game market is very different now compared to when the Wii released. This could affect MS and Sony's efforts to court the casual market as well.

 

[Something Amyss]

People said the exact same thing about the Gamecube...

You mean the last place console of that generation?

 

[Z of the Na'vi]

I'm incredibly disheartened to realize that the Wii U is the first Nintendo system that I have absolutely zero interest in obtaining. Both the Gamcube and the Wii I just had to have, which I don't regret one bit.

The Wii U on the other hand...yeah, just no. Sorry Nintendo, I don't know what you think you're doing, but it isn't working for me anymore.

 

[StriderShinryu]

All I see in this thread is literally "duurrrr graphics."

EDIT: The haters, I mean. Forgot to specify there's actually intelligent debate going on between nonhaters.

Mask it under feigned intelligence if you like, it's all the same.

"The Next PS and Xbox will render it obsolete due to technological limitations."

So rather than look at all the possible gameplay applications of the whole tablet controller thing, and of course, the amazing success of the DS, and how touchscreen gimmicks can actually be downright amazing if used well (and not shamelessly/needlessly shoehorned in.) You guys are looking PURELY at GRAPHICS.

As you note yourself, games are expensive to make. Choices have to be made at some point in the development process. Once the PS4 and 720, or whatever they call them, are released there will, like it or not, be a new standard. Very few developers are going to look at the WiiU, being an underpowered system with only maybe a third of the market share and a uniquely demanding conrol scheme, and choose to develop their games for it. At best it will get watered down ports with tacked on controller based gimmicks. At worst it will be ignored. It's a little short sighted of you to trumpet anti WiiU sentiment as being pirely about graphics when it just takes a second to look at the bigger picture.

The question posed by the OP was "Will the WiiU be quickly outdated?" and it's pretty clear that it will be.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

I think it'll be the wii over again,

What does that mean? The one that makes the most money, the most critically acclaimed and popular? The console that brought gaming to many people who would never have otherwise tried it? That revolutionised "casual gaming" and forced Microsoft and Sony to copy it?

they'll release it at an inevitably high price because of those tablet thingies,

Errr...the Wii was and has always been the cheapest console of this generation, and has invariably sold the most as well. It is also the only one that has turned a profit on hardware sales.

a few casual gamers will buy it with a couple of games and then in about 6 months time when it goes down in price the rest will,

You have no idea here. The Wii was constantly sold out and had incredibly high demand for over a year after release, at least in the UK. After 15 months, you still couldn't reliably walk into a store to buy one.

most of the hardcore audience wont buy it,

True, but many, many will, because...

the 720 and Ps4 will get released,

They will be a long time coming. Microsoft will come first, hopefully with a better name too, but still a long way away. Sony will be years yet. They invested too much in the PS3, came very late to the party last time and have lost so much money on it, gambling on blu ray.

depending on how ms/sony handle them most 360 owners will buy a 720 and most ps3 owners will buy the ps4,

True. Fanboyism and brand loyalty to a corporation is a very strange thing to watch.

the ps4 and 720 will have much higher hardware capability and most developers will focus on those,

True in the first part of your statement, not strictly true in the second. They will have higher capabilities but they will cost more and thus sell less. Considering how much of a headstart Nintendo will have on them this time, they're going to greatly lose out.

the casual gamers wont buy many wii-u games and it'll bite nintendo in the ass

Incorrect. They will sell many, by the millions. It will further extend the shelf life of existing Wii games which are still playable, have an extensive online store, add other features like eBooks and media and further, with it's processing power it will attract AAA development.

 

[Squidbulb]

Nintendo are probably getting a huge head start, which will definitely help sales.
Other than that, I doubt it'll sell. The new controller seems unique and all, but it seems that it'll mostly be used for an extra map screen or an inventory. Hopefully the motion controls won't be forgotten, as the MotionPlus never did reach its full potential.
At least it's better than the 3DS. Part of the appeal was its unique controls, which more than made up for its low graphical capabilities. I loved the touch screen, but with the 3DS it seems everyone has forgotten about it. Now the 3DS doesn't really have that uniqueness. The Wii U at least has the new controller, though I suspect it'll get old quick.
That, and I think Sony and Microsoft may have learned their lessons. I don't think they can succeed any more by just boosting their power once again. They need to spice it up a little. I don't think there's a huge market for new consoles any more.

 

[Serving UpSmiles]

I disagree with the Wii U not having any staying power, It actually gives way to third party developers to be creative and experiment new ideas, on a less demanding console. the next generation will hardly have any games developed for it, which will let the Wii U flourish.

The Wii let third party developers be creative for cheaper too but they still abandoned it. What makes the WiiU different?

The lack of graphic and online capabilities on the Wii hindered its chances as a hardcore console, this was the time when everyone was focusing on online multiplayer and the Wii just didn't deliver.

The Wii U is a different kind of animal, being released with online capabilities such as friends lists and Miiverse it will succeed in that aspect. I think you misinterpreted my point, It is isn't about creating games cheaper (how do you think the amount of shovelware arrived on Wii?) But developing for a console that will have a brand new install base, while not being time consuming for developers because they already have experience with the technology unlike the PS4 and Xbox 720 which will have games that take several years and large amounts of money to produce.

My point is the Wii U will be introducing innovative ideas, while being satisfactory in the graphics and online depart something people rave about when buying a new console.

 

[D Moness]

Nintendo is doing something different, get your shit together and stop complaining.

Do not forget that this is the escapist and a lot of people just blindly parrot what Yahtzee says. So it is cool to hate on Nintendo.

I am just hoping that lego city will be a launch game