Wii U to be quickly outdated?

[ToastiestZombie]

Nintendo is doing something different, get your shit together and stop complaining.

Do not forget that this is the escapist and a lot of people just blindly parrot what Yahtzee says. So it is cool to hate on Nintendo.

I am just hoping that lego city will be a launch game

Yep, it sure does seem like Yahtzee's opinion is the one the Escapist has overall. He says "Nintendo's not innovative!" and even after the fact that he's wrong the Escapist just follows him and thinks they're not innovative. Just an example I thought up.

 

[Epona]

I disagree with the Wii U not having any staying power, It actually gives way to third party developers to be creative and experiment new ideas, on a less demanding console. the next generation will hardly have any games developed for it, which will let the Wii U flourish.

The Wii let third party developers be creative for cheaper too but they still abandoned it. What makes the WiiU different?

The lack of graphic and online capabilities on the Wii hindered its chances as a hardcore console, this was the time when everyone was focusing on online multiplayer and the Wii just didn't deliver.

The Wii U is a different kind of animal, being released with online capabilities such as friends lists and Miiverse it will succeed in that aspect. I think you misinterpreted my point, It is isn't about creating games cheaper (how do you think the amount of shovelware arrived on Wii?) But developing for a console that will have a brand new install base, while not being time consuming for developers because they already have experience with the technology unlike the PS4 and Xbox 720 which will have games that take several years and large amounts of money to produce.

My point is the Wii U will be introducing innovative ideas, while being satisfactory in the graphics and online depart something people rave about when buying a new console.

That's what this topic is about, the WiiU being quickly outdated once the competition releases their next gen consoles. The WiiU will be like he Wii.

Ah whatever, I don't care. I won't be surprised if the WiiU fails, it literally has nothing to offer.

 

[Xanthious]

I think it's odd people saying that Nintendo is going to have a head start. I guess if by head start you mean they are just now catching up with the current generation of consoles that already have one foot out the door then, sure, I suppose they have a head start indeed. This is a current gen console being introduced at the ass end of this console generation's cycle.

Ignoring for a second that it's going to be damn near obsolete before it ever sells a single unit the other question that begs to be answered is just who in the hell are they trying to sell this to beyond the hardcore Nintendo crowd? The casual market? Those people who flocked to the Wii largely have moved on and probably have little interest in the Wii-U. The hardcore market? I fail to see how having a launch line up that is highlighted by a couple of first party titles and a few third party titles that will have already been out for a year or so is really going to drive the core crowd to buy this.

I think at the end of the day the Wii-U will be a case of too little too late. I just don't think that there is going to be all that much of a market for this thing at launch and by the time Sony and Microsoft make the actual next gen consoles the Wii-U will find it's self right where the Wii is today. And that is being too underpowered to handle anything beyond shitty ports for third party titles and relying almost solely on first party titles to get the system over.

 

[yunabomb]

Even then, Yahtzee has said that he supports Nintendo's focus on changing gameplay rather than only focusing on graphics. Interesting how the escapist community doesn't broadcast those sentiments.

 

[Epona]

People said the exact same thing about the Gamecube...

You mean the last place console of that generation?

Actually the Dreamcast was the last place console of that generation.

The gamecube only sold 2 million less than the original xbox and made a profit on every console unlike Microsoft's $4 BILLION loss in that generation.

http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/14/making-of-the-xbox-1/

I would take profit and 2 million less sales over a $4 billion loss.

This is what I call moving the goal post.

- Dreamcast was discontinued before the Gamecube even released.
- We aren't counting profit here. We are counting sales. I don't care how much Nintendo/Microsoft made/lost, I am a consumer.

 

[Epona]

People said the exact same thing about the Gamecube...

You mean the last place console of that generation?

Actually the Dreamcast was the last place console of that generation.

The gamecube only sold 2 million less than the original xbox and made a profit on every console unlike Microsoft's $4 BILLION loss in that generation.

http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/14/making-of-the-xbox-1/

I would take profit and 2 million less sales over a $4 billion loss.

This is what I call moving the goal post.

- Dreamcast was discontinued before the Gamecube even released.
- We aren't counting profit here. We are counting sales. I don't care how much Nintendo/Microsoft made/lost, I am a consumer.

It is still part of the generation.

You are wrong. You just want to ignore the dreamcast as it proves you wrong.

Accept this fact and move on.

No, the Dreamcast sold the least because it died early. It died before the Gamecube or the Xbox was released. I would say it never directly competed with the Gamecube or the Xbox.

How about this, of the consoles that actually survived until the end of the last generation, the Gamecube was in last place only beating a very shortlived Sega console. Does that make you feel better about the Gamecubes sales?

BTW, I liked the Gamecube better than the Wii.

 

[Squidbulb]

I think I'm starting to change my mind a little. I want the Wii U to do well, because it's clear that Nintendo are actually trying to be original. Their E3 presentation was the only one that interested me at all, although seeing two more Mario games already didn't make me happy. I'd much rather have Pikmin 3 than Halo 521 or Call of Duty/Battlefield/Medal of Honour 5000 (I'm not even going to pretend I can tell the difference).
I like what Nintendo are doing, though I'm still not sure whether I'll buy the Wii U, and I'm not going to bother with the 3DS until more games come along (Although, Luigi's Mansion and Paper Mario are almost enough to sell it for me).
I do wish Nintendo would try something different with their games, but I'm not going to act like no-one else is, and they're definitely doing a good job with their consoles.

 

[Something Amyss]

Actually the Dreamcast was the last place console of that generation.

The gamecube only sold 2 million less than the original xbox and made a profit on every console unlike Microsoft's $4 BILLION loss in that generation.

http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/14/making-of-the-xbox-1/

I would take profit and 2 million less sales over a $4 billion loss.

Still not exactly much of a defense.

 

[BoogityBoogityMan]

Do you have any evidence to say it's only on par with the current generation?

Nobody knows because Ninty has said absolutely nothing about the actual console. But what they showed at their reveal was really disappointing: nothing better than 720, little or no AA, screen tearing, and year old ports that look worse than they do on the ps360. &, the tiny size and weight of the actual console does not bode well for the future.

Weight
Approximately 3.41 pounds (1.5 kg).

Size
Approximately 1.8 inches high, 10.5 inches deep and 6.8 inches long.

 

[Xanthious]

Actually the Dreamcast was the last place console of that generation.

The gamecube only sold 2 million less than the original xbox and made a profit on every console unlike Microsoft's $4 BILLION loss in that generation.

http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/14/making-of-the-xbox-1/

I would take profit and 2 million less sales over a $4 billion loss.

Yeah it only sold 2 million less units than the Xbox and only a scant 130+ million fewer units than the PS2. The fact of the matter is the Gamecube and Xbox both were largely irrelevant last generation. As the N64 was the generation before that. Nintendo hasn't had a relevant home console since the SNES.

Sure you could argue the Wii's relevance but outside of separating a massive number of casual non gamers from their money it's suffered the same fate as the last two Nintendo consoles before it. That is it's largely ignored by third party developers and has relied almost entirely on first party titles. Sadly Nintendo is setting themselves up for the same fate with the Wii-U.

Yeah they have some initial lip service from third party developers coming out of the gate but so did the N64. When the next generation of consoles actually arrives the Wii-U will go back to where Nintendo has been for the past decade and half, as close to ignored by third party developers as to make no difference.

 

[Epona]

People said the exact same thing about the Gamecube...

You mean the last place console of that generation?

Actually the Dreamcast was the last place console of that generation.

The gamecube only sold 2 million less than the original xbox and made a profit on every console unlike Microsoft's $4 BILLION loss in that generation.

http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/14/making-of-the-xbox-1/

I would take profit and 2 million less sales over a $4 billion loss.

This is what I call moving the goal post.

- Dreamcast was discontinued before the Gamecube even released.
- We aren't counting profit here. We are counting sales. I don't care how much Nintendo/Microsoft made/lost, I am a consumer.

It is still part of the generation.

You are wrong. You just want to ignore the dreamcast as it proves you wrong.

Accept this fact and move on.

No, the Dreamcast sold the least because it died early. It died before the Gamecube or the Xbox was released. I would say it never directly competed with the Gamecube or the Xbox.

How about this, of the consoles that actually survived until the end of the last generation, the Gamecube was in last place only beating a very shortlived Sega console. Does that make you feel better about the Gamecubes sales?

BTW, I liked the Gamecube better than the Wii.

You are moving the goalpost, oh the irony.

Well, I'm not going to move with it. You stated a claim, it was wrong.

Goodbye.

Whatever, throwing up a console that didn't even last 2 years and saying "this sold less" than a console that was out for 6 years is pretty pathetic.

You may as well be comparing the SNES with the CD-I.

 

[BoogityBoogityMan]

Do you have any evidence to say it's only on par with the current generation?

Nobody knows because Ninty has said absolutely nothing about the actual console. But what they showed at their reveal was really disappointing: nothing better than 720, little or no AA, screen tearing, and year old ports that look worse than they do on the ps360. However, the tiny size and weight of the actual console does not bode well for the future.

Weight
Approximately 3.41 pounds (1.5 kg).

Size
Approximately 1.8 inches high, 10.5 inches deep and 6.8 inches long.

Where did you find information on the resolution and settings for the gameplay videos?

Yes, I agree that it is a small console and that will limit it. To that I point you to mobile phones and the AMD APUs, both of which show that you can fit a decent amount of power into a small space. I believe tegra 3 matches a core 2 duo. If you expand the space to that of the WiiU you can fit quite a bit more power and at a lower cost in there.

some of the geeks at guru3d dissected them.

& the thing about the size and weight relates to how much heat can be dissipated. I'm assuming they will be using 45nm tech, and using a box like that subtracting the space/weight needed for the optical drive etc, it just doesn't leave much cooling potential. And if that is the case, then they need to downclock the chips. Which means that they absolutely will not be able to compete, assuming Sony/MS go with 28/22 nm tech.

& afaik, the whole tegra3>core2duo was Nvidia gaming the tests.

 

[starwarsgeek]

Perhaps it will be significantly weaker than the next xbox and playstation. Honestly, I couldn't care less. It's got Nintendo's IPs to support it, an expanded Virtual Console (which will include Gamecube games), and almost every type of controller...which will lead to some great possibilities for developers.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

It, like every other console that ever has or ever will come out, will be outdated. I have no clue what the 720 or PS4 will be like, but I do know the WiiU will be better than all current generation consoles. To be honest, I don't even know when or if Microsoft and Sony will be making their new console. It could be next year, it could be five. Who knows? I do know the WiiU has games I am interested and a control system that intrigues me. I plan on buying it. If this line of reasoning is followed by other consumers, then the WiiU will be fine. If it isn't, then I don't know what will happen. None of us do beyond absolutely needless assumptions.

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

Haven't really seen anything that will be released for the WiiU yet that has convinced me to get it. Aside from its handhelds, I only have a handful of Nintendo console titles that I really enjoy or found exclusive to its consoles (N64, GameCube, Wii, etc.). It's more of my brother's system, so it's likely that he will be the one purchasing the WiiU instead of me.

Probably when a new Smash Bros., Zelda, or Paper Mario title is announced on the WiiU will I consider getting it.

 

[Epona]

Perhaps it will be significantly weaker than the next xbox and playstation. Honestly, I couldn't care less. It's got Nintendo's IPs to support it, an expanded Virtual Console (which will include Gamecube games), and almost every type of controller...which will lead to some great possibilities for developers.

See, this is where I get confused. The Wii had all of this too. Classic Controller Pro is a dual analog controller, Gamecube controller, Wiimote, Wiimote + nunchuck. Adding two more controllers to the mix which are basically just dual analog controllers (one with a screen) won't change much. It's really just one extra controller, the one with a screen and that's just going to invite DS type games which is nothing to get excited over, it nothing new or innovative either.

Oh and I think there are many more people who are tired of Mario and Zelda than were at the launch of the Wii.

 

[Fishyash]

I have my doubts that the next Xbox of playstation console will actually "soar past the wii u" hardware-wise.

We will have to wait and see what the next xbox and PS4 are gonna be putting out. The Wii U hardware will probably be adequate for what the audience wants.

Also, the Wii U (at the moment) has the advantage of being a home console that has a touchscreen (a tablet). That will boost the sales significantly.

Honestly I was hoping the Wii U would encourage microsoft and sony to push their hardware with their early announcement, but I am unsure wether we will see an improvement when their next consoles are announced.

I'll be buying it on the basis of some really great games and the fact that the nintendo DS is the only console I own other than a PC. The Wii U looks like something you can carry with you with ease which is great for when visiting friends or going on long journeys.

One thing is certain, the Wii U will have a great start.

 

[Bromion]

it's a bit early to be making that proclamation isn't it? From a graphical standpoint we know nothing about what the wii U is going to capable of other than native 1080p and that it will be using some sort of Radeon card everything else is speculation. I'm not convinced that we'll be seeing any noticeable graphical improvements this time around. I think the difference between the Wii U and it's competitors when it comes to video cards is pretty much going to be the difference between the 6850 and the 6870. One is technically more advanced but differences in performance and display abilities between the two are negligible.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

it's a bit early to be making that proclamation isn't it? From a graphical standpoint we know nothing about what the wii U is going to capable of other than native 1080p and that it will be using some sort of Radeon card everything else is speculation. I'm not convinced that we'll be seeing any noticeable graphical improvements this time around. I think the difference between the Wii U and it's competitors when it comes to video cards is pretty much going to be the difference between the 6850 and the 6870. One is technically more advanced but differences in performance and display abilities between the two are negligible.

If you listen to some people here you would be expecting the PS4 to be packing dual 690's and 2 Xeons.

Knowing Microsoft and Sony, and "hardcore" gamers I bet they're going to have something like that. Then it's going to be so expensive noone buys it, and Microsoft and Sony have a flop.

 

[Bromion]

it's a bit early to be making that proclamation isn't it? From a graphical standpoint we know nothing about what the wii U is going to capable of other than native 1080p and that it will be using some sort of Radeon card everything else is speculation. I'm not convinced that we'll be seeing any noticeable graphical improvements this time around. I think the difference between the Wii U and it's competitors when it comes to video cards is pretty much going to be the difference between the 6850 and the 6870. One is technically more advanced but differences in performance and display abilities between the two are negligible.

If you listen to some people here you would be expecting the PS4 to be packing dual 690's and 2 Xeons.

Knowing Microsoft and Sony, and "hardcore" gamers I bet they're going to have something like that. Then it's going to be so expensive noone buys it, and Microsoft and Sony have a flop.

And they'll have the added advantage of there not being any games that make use of that much power