You seem really technologically knowledgeable when you claim something has better specs because it has "more cores" than something else, you're like some sort of futuristic engineer.Fumbles said:
Wii U to be quickly outdated?
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The Wii was already outdated when it was announced and for 6 years, I was and I'm totally okay with that, as it was always meant to be a complementary console, instead of a "main" console, at least not for someone who's a serious gamer or has a minimum concern for Nintendo's titles.
I don't see the WiiU as a direct competitor for whatever Microsoft and Sony comes up with, I see it as a complementary console and I know it will be like that when I get the chance to buy it. Also, I don't care about whatever Microsoft and/or Sony will come up with, I'll keep being a (relatively) happy PC gamer (I know, it sounds wierd).
I don't see the WiiU as a direct competitor for whatever Microsoft and Sony comes up with, I see it as a complementary console and I know it will be like that when I get the chance to buy it. Also, I don't care about whatever Microsoft and/or Sony will come up with, I'll keep being a (relatively) happy PC gamer (I know, it sounds wierd).
I recently read that after Miyamoto stepped down from working so directly with the other devs that he is working on a new IP. Hope something comes out of it.Fumbles said:
Your source don't contradict mine, it corroborates it. 768MB of RAM is not significant.Matthew94 said:
PC games are taking advantage of 16GB of system RAM and the graphics are really showing, with resolution and frame-rate. Any next gen system can't merely be a little better, they must be 5-10x better and surpass the best of PC gaming at that time.
Never are they actually quoted saying: "WiiU is far ahead of the current generation." But rather:
"(WiiU is) one of the best-looking versions"
PC is one of the versions of the game they are making.
This is beautiful. Consoles are dragging the industry down as it is, compared to what PC can do, and now we have Nintendo helplessly limping behind Sony and Microsoft, trying to catch up. On top of that we have online passes, day one DLC, exclusive DLC, store exclusive DLC, mandatory updates on consoles, huge HDD installs on consoles, overpriced games etc. We are nearing the end of this apocalyptic generation of gaming, yet Nintendo still thinks another console is the way to go, and that it has a place in the market. The only good thing coming out of Wii U is the probable price cut of Xbox 360 and PS3.
Isn't the gaming industry in a lovely shape these days?
Isn't the gaming industry in a lovely shape these days?
Theoretically yes, take PC processors... a true eight core processor out performs a dual core. Where you are correct is that it is ultimately up to the designer to make full use of the given hardware, so while one game may use all of the cpu cores, or all of the power of the gpu, another game may not.Midgeamoo said:
Funny thing is, I don't think that will happen. Certainly not for the average casual gamer who isn't up on current tech and consoles. In other words, the exact sort of person you described earlier in your post, and the same sorts of people that made the Wii so successful originally. Expecting them to look at the Wii U and recognize that it isn't just a tablet with some extra buttons and analog sticks gives them too much credit.MiriaJiyuu said:
I'd just like to interject here... *ahem* why in the world does anybody care, like at all?Matthew94 said:
I'm not simply going to say "OMG guise who cares GAWD?!" I honestly want to know at this point why graphics are still important at this point in time. I know graphics have always been extremely important but I think we are fast approaching diminishing returns. Every game out looks amazing and to go anymore beyond that just seems superfluous.Matthew94 said:
Yeah, a new IP would be nice. But really, I'll buy the next 3d Mario, or the next Zelda because I know that EVERYTHING but the innovation side will be amazing. Super Mario Galaxy didn't really innovate much, but by fucking god was it an amazing game. Anyway, I really doubt that sony or Microsoft will make any new IPs soon looking at the games they showed off at E3, sure the Last of Us and Beyond are new but really they are just the same formula as other games the same devs have made with new additions and tweaks. Same with a lot of other stuff.Matthew94 said:
RAM isn't that simple. It's far subtler. The point is developers know how to pack Xbox 360's RAM very well. And new architecture due to unfamiliarity you need two doubling to be as good out the gate, so 2GB of unfamiliar architecture is as good as 512MB of memory you know. Remember the PS3 is on-paper better than the Xbox 360 but take a gander at John Carmack's keynotes on developing for the Xbox 360 how it has such advantages in limited specifications.Matthew94 said:
There is no evidence of a Radeon 4800. Leaks very likely to be from actual developers using the dev-kit version of WiiU point to a lower power integrated CPU-GPU chip of power and capability almost identical to the Xbox 360. That also makes sense from minimising manufacturing costs.
Nope. It says MAX resolution of 1080p, that is THE SAME as Xbox 360 as a few games can hit 1080p native. Max resolution is not the same as typical native resolution. You can hit up to 1080p with simple polygon shapes or very low framerate, but for good framerate with good graphical detail it has to be dialled down to 720p which is what the leaked WiiU specs state. For example my OLD graphics card from 2007 could max resolution at 2560x1600 but could only really play most games on high settings and with good framerate at 1080p native. I know graphics technology, I have selected components to build and upgrade several of my own PCs for almost a decade now, I know what these tech-specs actually mean.
I think it IS safe to jump to conclusions that it is bad when only a few months from launch and even at E3 they refuse to reveal the specs. They did for the Wii. Every console manufacturer does this at the E3 before their system's launch. Nintendo has no excuse to be so secretive with the public they intend to sell this system to. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE ARE SAVING TO BUY!!!
I'm sorry then, From what I saw most of the argumement was about graphics but that's mostly because I skimmed. My fault. However I think that there isn't going to be much in the way of problems. Even if it is soon outclassed it doesn't mean it won't be at all good. Every console is outclassed eventually, every pc needs to be updated eventually. As long as the Wii U has a significant start up library and functional online I think it will work out.Matthew94 said:
I'd like to point out for the record. Yes, technically the PC is capable of being more powerful then any of these consoles combined, even in the next generation. 2 $500 graphic cards and a thousand dollar CPU will leave anything Sony and Microsoft can make in the dust.
One problem however, you'd be hard pressed to find a game or developer that needs these specs to push it to that limit. Outside of a few select MMOs perhaps, but even that is questionable. I have a Radion 5850, a single one, and I can run most games released reasonably well. Somtimes I turn off AA but in the middle of action I hardly notice if characters have sharp edges. Point is no matter how advanced your PC is, the power of the current console generation will dictate how games are made all around.
My point is that if Microsoft and Sony do create a large enough gap between the Wii U and their next generation, that will be the bar set for the standard of almost all games to be made. If the Wii U is unable to keep up then it will loose third party support. I will have a following of loyal Nintendo fans and companies who wish to sell novelty games, but any innovations when it comes to sheer processing power and graphics may be left to the other two to pick up.
Nintendo will live, I haven't doubted that fact. Enough people have shown they are willing to buy the Wii U, I'm just saying I'll save up my money instead for the PS4. Even if I don't have a well paying job, saving 30-50 dollars a month I might save up enough by the time it's released, whenever that is.
One problem however, you'd be hard pressed to find a game or developer that needs these specs to push it to that limit. Outside of a few select MMOs perhaps, but even that is questionable. I have a Radion 5850, a single one, and I can run most games released reasonably well. Somtimes I turn off AA but in the middle of action I hardly notice if characters have sharp edges. Point is no matter how advanced your PC is, the power of the current console generation will dictate how games are made all around.
My point is that if Microsoft and Sony do create a large enough gap between the Wii U and their next generation, that will be the bar set for the standard of almost all games to be made. If the Wii U is unable to keep up then it will loose third party support. I will have a following of loyal Nintendo fans and companies who wish to sell novelty games, but any innovations when it comes to sheer processing power and graphics may be left to the other two to pick up.
Nintendo will live, I haven't doubted that fact. Enough people have shown they are willing to buy the Wii U, I'm just saying I'll save up my money instead for the PS4. Even if I don't have a well paying job, saving 30-50 dollars a month I might save up enough by the time it's released, whenever that is.
Your probably right about the average casual gamer not seeing it for what it is, they never do anyway. It all depends on how Nintendo markets it, and the way they're marketing now, it will be seen as another tablet.Vivi22 said:
OK, somewhat of an exaggeration as they don't really "need" 16GB but they'll use it if you've got it. Yeah, mainly with mods and extra stuff running in the background like FRAPS (gotta get that Youtube Money).Matthew94 said:
But PC gaming is definitely using way more than 512MB of RAM typical on consoles or the 768MB that WiiU most likely has. Typically 4-8GB of RAM and NO ONE is suggesting WiiU is having that for production models.
When the Xbox 360 came out it in fact DID match and slightly exceed the best PC systems you could get at the time, but that was WAY back in 2005 and only for about a brief period, by 2007 the midrange 8800GT had already left 360 in it's dust but everything points to WiiU not even beating midrange PC hardware from almost 5 years ago.
Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with this. The WiiU will have slightly better capabilities than my 360 and PS3 do, but when the next Xbox and PS4 come out, it will be surpassed.FelixG said:
I also agree with the many people who say that Nintendo has their fingers in too many pies. They are trying to appeal to every audience, and therefore aren't investing very much into any specific audience. I can't speak for the casual gamers or children, but this will alienate most of the hardcore gamers, just like the Wii did.
The fact that the only new gimmick of the WiiU is a tablet, and most casual gamers already have a tablet will hurt as well. Most casual gamers don't even use their Wii anymore, if they even bought one in the first place, because it's much more convenient to play games on their phone/tablet.
Bottom line: In my opinion, as long as M$ and Sony don't royally screw us, or come out with obscenely overpriced systems, the WiiU will be left in the dust because of lack of the casual gamer support they had last round, and the fact that they are again alienating the hardcore.