Someone demoed it using the WIi-U on SpikeTV. I'll hunt for the image and requote this post if I find it, but promise it is.Rednog said:
Wii U to be quickly outdated?
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The Wii-U version is being considered. Apparently, Ubisoft has a huge boner for the Wii-U and the guys they have working with the system are bogged down with a bunch of stuff in production. If any of it is half as good looking as ZombiU and Watch Dogs, I'm a rather happy Nintendo fan.DigitalAtlas said:
I was dead serious. Lemme help you out:tthor said:I don't mean this jokingly or rudely, i honestly do not understand what you are talking about, and had to take a moment to figure out if you were being satirical or not.. I am still confused by itDigitalAtlas said:
first, what great games; I ask this because I have honestly searched through wii games trying to find SOMETHING worth using my Wii on, but finding mostly garbage. It was a little innovative with the motion controls, but the novelty wore off for most people very quickly. And even if tablets are selling really well, the thing is, the WiiU is not a tablet; its a game console that just happens to have a tablet-like controller, which is like comparing apples to potatoes..
>blahblah "Don't play Xenoblade" blah blah
Xenoblade has some of the WORST graphics on Wii. Some of the best draw distance, but other games like Crystal Chronicles blow it out of the water. Yet, it's easily one of the best RPGs this gen.
>Wii games? They exist?!?!?!?!
Wii had fantastic games, you just had to search a little. First-party Nintendo games, of course and re-releases were must-have's, but let's not talk about those, okay? Because I like a challenge and saying "Metroid Prime, Skyward Sword, Sin and Punishment 2, and Xenoblade" is just too easy. Try NiGHTS (the cutscenes are laughably bad, but some of the boss battles are INCREDIBLE), Red Steel 2 (eat your heart out Borderlands), Mad World, No More Heroes, The Conduit (so much better than Halo as far as single-player goes, and I love Halo), A Boy and His Blob is fantastic and very classy, Fragile Dreams (you want a horror RPG with characters you'll get attached too in a game that will make you cry? Thought so), Muramasa: The Demon Blade (SO AWESOME), and to end on a high note:
AKA WHAT FFXIII SHOULD'VE PLAYED LIKE
>IT'S NOT A TABLET! I SWEAR!
But the thing is, the Wii-U behaves like a tablet. It'll have a web-browser. It'll allow people to connect with people while sitting in the living room. This is a device that just screams "FIDDLE WITH ME!" and "SHOW ME OFF!" And how it behaves with the game is truly remarkable. Look at ZombiU. OH ANOTHER ZOMBIE GAME HURRRR. Really? Now how many zombie shooters actually make you look down like you were looking in a real backpack while constantly looking up on the lookout for zombies and KILL YOU for not paying attention? I can't think of one.
Wii-U is going to be fantastic.
They demo'd it. It's coming. The Wii-U is really a game changer. The fact people don't see it just bugs me.wintercoat said:
I mean, look at Pikmin.
You have a four-player co-op RTS in the world of Avatar if you use the tablet to micro-manage, or you can use the Wii-Motion Plus to get close to the action and play it like Skyward Sword and pin-point certain weak spots which would be very strong for single player. OR YOU CAN USE BOTH AT ONCE, WHAT?!
Calm down...I know it's gonna be awesome. Pikmin looks amazing, ZombiU is the shit, and I actually think the Mario game they showed looked interesting, not to mention Project P-100. It's just that everything [http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/07/e3-2012-watch-dogs-coming-to-consoles-and-pc-could-hit-wii-u] I could find [http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=178769] says it's [http://gamingunwrapped.com/watch-dogs-being-considered-for-wii-u/] being considered [http://nintendoeverything.com/90846/no-plans-for-watch-dogs-on-wii-u-but-its-not-out-of-the-question/], and I can hope that it's not just blowing fluff into the wind.DigitalAtlas said:
I don't know how they can only being considered when they were PLAYING IT WITH THE WII-U XD It just boggles my mind.wintercoat said:
>Limited capitalTreblaine said:
>Ten billion dollars tucked away
>Just began construction on a whole new building for R&D
Totes.
Sure, it'll probably be overpowered.
But I think we're reaching the point where an advance in computing power won't necessarily enhance graphic display by a wide margin. Within this generation, we're getting close to approaching perfect fidelity. At that point, it'll be unlikely we'll need anything more powerful.
But I think we're reaching the point where an advance in computing power won't necessarily enhance graphic display by a wide margin. Within this generation, we're getting close to approaching perfect fidelity. At that point, it'll be unlikely we'll need anything more powerful.
Sorry, I kind of assumed that was just a game Miyamoto was presenting not his actual project. Because it's a pretty basic use of a dual screen setup. It's no real innovation beyond just switching camera modes on a single screen. It's also contradictory, is it ideally palyed using the WiiU controller or Wii Motion Plus Controller? You can't use both at once with only two pairs of hands.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
But I wasn't blown away by Pikmin back in the day, I loved my gamecube but not for Pikmin.
Whatever, DS I think sold more for it's low price for a handheld with the holdover of many 2D developers. 3DS which has a touchscreen more like WiiU has not sold well. Kinect is trying stuff like Steel Batalion, and Minority Report style menu interaction. Still inferior to a good mouse + keyboard, but what the hell.
Well yes it DOES, because the 10 year old doesn't actually buy the console, their parent does. Wii being cheaper helps that and won't help the WiiU this time. Also cheaper games. Wii mote appeals to 10 year old in a way that a huge a stylus touchscreen doesn't. I don't think a 10 year old could even use that HUMONGOUS controller. And Wii was advertised effectively with a novel and unique controller like the Wii Remote.TheDarkEricDraven said:
The WiiU will not be the cheapest nor even first of the next gen consoles... it will be the MOST EXPENSIVE of the Current Generation consoles. Look at Pikmin 3. Look at all the games demoed. Consider how it cannot render 1080p with any anti-aliasing. That is equivalent to the Xbox 360 in processing power. And I know Microsoft is a large and powerful enough company to build equivalent power technology at a lower price than Nintendo can.
If WiiU sold for a competitive price like under $200 (that it must do to compete with Xbox 360), they would have announced it at their E3 conference.
Dreamcast was a next-gen console compared to PS1. This is not. I have seen next gen graphics with the best of PC gaming and you do not see that demonstrated anywhere on WiiU.
Remember the Atari Jaguar. It claimed to be a 32 Bit console to compete with Playstation and Nintendo 64. It wasn't even really 32 Bit, it had a 16-bit central processor and 16-bit sound processor. That's like saying if a child can count up to ten, twice, then he can count up to one hundred. No. The Atari was a sheep in wolves clothing and so is the WiiU.
Where is your source that Nintendo has 10 billion dollars in liquid capital? I can't find a source for that anywhere, you seem to be just making that up.DigitalAtlas said:
Constructing a new building that might be or R&D is nothing if you had to sell of several before. Especially in Japan which has odd government subsidised development schemes.
The Wii struggled to make a profit to spite its low specification as Nintendo was in no position to manufacture such technology at a low price. It's recorded whole year losses and their share price has been tumbling. 3DS is competing in a totally different market now and WiiU has none of the advantages the Wii had over 360/PS3 while the advantage of greater processing power seems to be imaginary.
Did I not explain how Sony owns their own private bank? They own a huge chunk of Hollywood and the Music industry, computers, mobiles. They are BIG! Microsoft is HUMONGOUS! I don't think constructing a building of indeterminate size is much to counter Sony owning it's own private bank.
Those 3D games for DS are a minority. I bought Metroid Prime Hunters and the contortion needed to play the game made it unbearable to finish. That and the repetitiveness of the gameplay. No, the strengths of the DS was:j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
-Pokemon series
-GBA backwards compatibility
-New Super Mario Bros
-Brain Age
-Dragon Quest IX
-Professor Layton series
-Bowser's Inside Story
-Scribblenauts
-Castlevania series
I'm not say there weren't any 3D games for the DS, I'm just saying that it cornered the market in 2D games. 3DS is struggling with it's broader 3D focus. It was the Original DS's USP: Unique Selling Point. 3DS is kinda pointless for 2D.
Nintendo 3DS is actually still underselling Nintendo DS's average and selling less well than expected and at a loss per unit with a huge price cut, which was not their plan. Nintendo's stock is falling and they are reporting whole year losses AGAINST expectation, this is not as a planned result of WiiU development or else they would have predicted this loss.
Look, both Kinect and Wii Remote equally suck because you are pressing against thin air rather than a mouse-mat and it's depending on long range optical tracking while an optical mouse is looking with far greater precision at a close consistently variable surface. That and a keyboard with almost 100 discrete button inputs.
"The Kinect revolves entirely around flailing your arms about."
"The WiiMote revolves entirely around flailing your arms about."
Both equally invalid comments. Kinect does let you point with equivalent precision, and the gamepad provides the buttons.
Yeah, 360 controller providing buttons for Kinect, big whoop. Look I don't get this. You object to Kinect for no buttons, every Xbox-360 comes with a controller, what is the problem with using the controller with Kinect? Objection overruled: The "system" includes the Kinect, the console AND the gamepad that comes with it! It's like talking about the wii-remote but never considering the Nunchuck sub-controller.
you can defend and like nintendo all you want (thats fine)...but don't pull that card, its bullshitServebotFrank said:
my apprehension about the Wii U is my own
oh no
[quote/]Everyone who thinks so is in denial and really needs to be more open minded about things[/quote]
oh no you didn't....
oh boy
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you should revise that statement
Taken from obsolete thread with edit;
I believe that the greatest failure of nintendo is its failure to provide adult mature content that provokes peoples beliefs. Conquers bad fur day was their greatest success and yet they never did anything along the sort of black satire taste.
I have yet to see a nintendo game bring up issues such as race or religion its just way to childish in a world subject with much sexualised advertisement and violence (which I dont think is a bad thing) but it destroys that innocence and poor "dad jokes" i like to call them that nintendo once had back in the 90's.
This Wii nonsense is targeted at families yet its a fact that most families are quite busy and are divided at home during the teenage/adult years from work and other lifestyle choices.
In the end my argument is not the controller nor its features but the content which is outdated, too conservative and not versitile enough to accommodate family members who are older and want something normally found on a playstation or xbox such as call of duty.
that said I dont think wii should head down the same path as other consoles but provide games that are in the R, Rating and MA content so when jimmy is slightly older he can play Rambo 7000 on a wii with his father and its not gathering dust because of lost interest in playing zelda all the time.
Yes I have seen zombie trailers, Call of duty games and of course those japanese rpg games but its not dark at all, its half done with a few red splatters here and there to give you a small fright. Where is the solid environments and epic storytelling from pc games such as Baldurs gate, The witcher or even Skyrim. These were platformed on the other consoles but I am a proud confessed pc snob yet when I see nintendo there is absolutely no incentive for me to buy it either.
I believe that the greatest failure of nintendo is its failure to provide adult mature content that provokes peoples beliefs. Conquers bad fur day was their greatest success and yet they never did anything along the sort of black satire taste.
I have yet to see a nintendo game bring up issues such as race or religion its just way to childish in a world subject with much sexualised advertisement and violence (which I dont think is a bad thing) but it destroys that innocence and poor "dad jokes" i like to call them that nintendo once had back in the 90's.
This Wii nonsense is targeted at families yet its a fact that most families are quite busy and are divided at home during the teenage/adult years from work and other lifestyle choices.
In the end my argument is not the controller nor its features but the content which is outdated, too conservative and not versitile enough to accommodate family members who are older and want something normally found on a playstation or xbox such as call of duty.
that said I dont think wii should head down the same path as other consoles but provide games that are in the R, Rating and MA content so when jimmy is slightly older he can play Rambo 7000 on a wii with his father and its not gathering dust because of lost interest in playing zelda all the time.
Yes I have seen zombie trailers, Call of duty games and of course those japanese rpg games but its not dark at all, its half done with a few red splatters here and there to give you a small fright. Where is the solid environments and epic storytelling from pc games such as Baldurs gate, The witcher or even Skyrim. These were platformed on the other consoles but I am a proud confessed pc snob yet when I see nintendo there is absolutely no incentive for me to buy it either.
With the Wii, Nintendo proved that execution, rather than hardware, can be a driving force in sales. They're going to try and go for this again, but I've a feeling it's not going to be as successful this time round.dragongit said:
As for the outdated thing? It's a console, it will be outdated in about 6 months.
oh no you didn't....Vault101 said:
oh boy
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you should revise that statement[/quote]
No I wont. Thanks for only quoting a fragment of a quote to make me look bad.
OT: Alright, now explain your own reason for why the WiiU will fail.
P.S. On the Yahtzee thing: It's pretty true. I didn't notice all the hate for Nintendo on these forums until Yahtzee started talking about it years ago and suddenly everyone was quoting him. I was making a generalization. Note that I didn't say 100%.
P.S.S. Again the Open minded quote was about people who kept saying the Wii's success was an accident. Don't misquote me.
Weeeeeoooooooooooooooooooooooow. Why so much hate for Nintendo?
Also I really don't give a fuck if the graphics will be "outdated". The games will still be fun so I'll keep playing them.
Also also, lols at people saying Nintendo doesn't innovate with their games. What? In comparison to the endless FPS games? Innovation is hard to find in AAA games no matter what console/company.
Also I really don't give a fuck if the graphics will be "outdated". The games will still be fun so I'll keep playing them.
Also also, lols at people saying Nintendo doesn't innovate with their games. What? In comparison to the endless FPS games? Innovation is hard to find in AAA games no matter what console/company.
This is all nonsense. You are making straw man arguments everywhere. I never said DS didn't benefit from any 3D games, I said it's success was greatly aided by the plethora of great 2D titles for the system. All the developers who were good with 2D focused on DS and it was suited to it with the controls and format. DS is not so suited to 3D games due to the awkwardness of using the touchpad. Why are all the big 3D games for NDS by nintendo? Why are most of the 3D games extremely limited in 3D like cooking mama and nintendogs?j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
How could DS's selling point be it's 3D capability when it had inferior 3D capability compared to PSP which sold comparatively worse? I 3D was so appealing to people in market for handheld devices, why didn't PSP sell more? The analogue nub was better for 3D worlds while PSP had a crap D-pad. NDS was ideal for 2D worlds and had a great D-Pad that was ideal for 2D platforming and had long battery life when rendering 2D games. The 3D Zelda games and Mario games sold because they were Zelda and Mario.
Again source on Nintendo 3DS selling better than NDS, because NDS sold on average 19 million per year, factoring the last 2 years where hardly any were sold. 3DS is now selling at a LOSS, which was not the plan, Nintendo is not guaranteed anything, they are banking on 3DS games topping the charts and they are not. (Why did the 2011 Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami affect Nintendo more than every other Japanese company?) WiiU can't sell that many before New Year. 2012 has still so far been a dud for Nintendo, it's wishful thinking.
I don't think you understand feedback, it doesn't matter if you hold a wii-mote in your hand, a 360 gamepad in your hand or have an empty hand, it you aren't pushing against something there is no feedback. A wii mote held in your hand moved completely freely through the air. A thumbstick has resistance with a return spring and the plastic edge of the casing, mouse has varying friction depending on pressure and can pivot on the wrist.
Wii has FPS games and they suck, because they have to deal with crap like "bounding boxes" to turn. FPS games on 360 of course focus on gamepad controls which are better for FPS.
I never claimed the Kinect was inherently better than a dual touch screen and if you inferred that from what I said make clear I did not mean that. I meant they were more or less equivalent as with what was demonstrated with pickmin 3. That is, every time you have to take a hand off the WiiU controller to use the stylus, you could take your hand off the 360-gamepad and gesture at Kinect. It doesn't emphasise using both screens at once, you might as well just switch between map and camera mode.
You're not listening to my argument that it is silly to object to using gamepad with kinect, as you cannot buy a Kinect and 360 without a gamepad. It's there, why not use it? It doesn't defeat the purpose, any more than using a nunchuk controller with Wii defeats that purpose. It doesn't negate any potential using a gamepad with kinect, it exploits the full potential.
Bottomline: WiiU's has yet to demonstrate it can do some truly unique things that it's well established competitors like Kinect + 360 cannot do. If Pickin 3 and all other games so far looks exactly like Xbox 360 standard graphics. I'm saying this console doesn't have the special appeal that Wii and Nintendo DS had.
I never said it would, I honestly don't know how it will fair, and its not exactly easy to predict these things with much accuracy (plus I don't exactly care)ServebotFrank said:
I'm just slightly unsure as to what they are going for..who is going to buy it, the target audience
[quote/]P.S. On the Yahtzee thing: It's pretty true. I didn't notice all the hate for Nintendo on these forums until Yahtzee started talking about it years ago and suddenly everyone was quoting him. I was making a generalization. Note that I didn't say 100%.[/quote]
or...its because there's something new to talk about (and dislike) in the world of Nintendo, I don't think its got everything to do with yahtzee... believe it or not some people have issues with the wii/Nintendo....dare I say valid issues as well
[quote/]P.S.S. Again the Open minded quote was about people who kept saying the Wii's success was an accident. Don't misquote me.[/quote]
I barley miss quoted you, I snipped the thing straight from the source..no messing with context...you just didn't make yourself very clear since it came across as "everyone who hates on the Wii is in denial" as for the "Wii's" success...it terms of sales yeah, there's no denying that
I still think its a piece of crap though
in fact now that I think about it Nintendo are resembling apple more and more...
Yeah, Nintendo "survived" but it didn't dominate. Only if you erroneously define Wii as a 7th gen console did it dominate this generation. And it is not 7th gen technology, it's a gamecube with a slot loading DVD drive. You can run Wii games on Gamecube emulators with the right modifications for different controller input.CriticKitten said:
All the while Wii was selling at high levels (compared to 360 and PS3) as a cheap low end system, Sony was also continuing to sell the Playstation 2 as a cheap low end SD-resolution system. The first two God Of War games were released on PS2 after the 7th generation had kicked off with the Xbox 360. The following PS2 games were released for the PS2 when the 7th generation had started:
-Tomb Raider Legend
-Tomb Raider Anniversary
-Metal Gear Solid 3
-Black
-Urban Chaos
-Hitman: Blood Money
-Shadow of Colossus
Nintendo just extended their 6th generation console further with a novel control interface. I mean, Xbox 360 isn't 8th generation because it has Kinect, is it? Nintendo can't just make Wii 7th gen by putting an arbitrary wall between Wii games and Gamecube games.
You're right. The selling point of the Nintendo is not the hardware but the games. But YOU DID wait because the appeal of the console was just a few first party games. And what the hell is WiiU launching with as exclusive? WiiU will be on the backfoot in multiplayer right from the start, while PS3 and 360 started off more or less level pegging. Yes it had Assassin's Creed 3. But that's also on PC, 360 and PS3.
The thing is, if the WiiU sells for just $300, it will be 50% more expensive than an xbox 360 - this is comparing models WITHOUT large internal storage. And Microsoft could easily cut the price of Xbox 360 even more, and Sony the same with PS3. Nintendo is doing what it hasn't done in a while, try to go head to head with Microsoft and Sony. Last time they did that they got caned.
I'd REALLY like it if the WiiU sold for $200, competitively priced with the Xbox 360 4GB. But the original Wii is still selling for $150 and last I checked they struggled to turn a profit on selling for $200! This is because Nintendo are not a powerful conglomerate like Microsoft or Nintendo, it costs more for them to manufacture the same technology. Hell, they are at a disadvantage with patents as big companies hold patent wars that Nintendo can't so they must pay more.
Wii targeted casual gamers by being CHEAP and with no emphasis to HDTV screens. WiiU won't be cheap. If it was going to be cheap they would have announced how cheap it was at their E3 conference, as they did before with every other launch and as every other company did before their hardware launch... when the price is remotely competitive. Nintendo CANNOT except the same casual money with WiiU especially when they can't even sell Wii Consoles to them any more.
The thing is WiiU doesn't integrate a smartphone touchscreen. iPhone is know for precision multitouch with fingertips and very high pixel density. The WiiU is not that. It's a resistive touchscreen that you need a stylus for precision, and everything points to a low resolution screen. It's not the same. The pinch to zoom and all that which we are used to is no there. You know it would be kinda neat to have an iPad in the middle of my controller but that's NOT the case
I don't see why anyone should buy a WiiU rather than an Xbox 360 that is likely cheaper, has a bigger library and for casuals a more novel interface with Kinect. Why would you buy a WiiU to play black ops 2, when there is a larger and more established network on PS3, 360 or even on PC.
And if the WiiU does against all odds launch for $200 (and sources confirm it will definitely be over $250) then Microsoft has the clout to undercut them with discounts and bundles for their Xbox 360. Similar with Sony and PS3.
What Wii titles has Nintendo released in 2012? Last year their sole contribution was Skyward Sword. Nintendo seem to have totally given up on the Wii.
I just don't like how Nintendo is playing silly buggers acting like this is a next generation console which doing nothing to indicate it has next gen rendering capability, and 5 months from release is STILL hiding its launch price!