The update screen itself actually states that the auto-power off feature is disabled while updating. What it will do, however, is turn your console off without saving while a game is running if you stop actually playing for an hour.Whitbane said:
Wii U's bricking if shut down during update.
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Look at the top of the screen in the video you linked. It literally states "The Auto Power-Down function has been temporarily disabled."Whitbane said:
I think it bears repeating that no one who actually *has* a Wii U has reported it auto shutting off during updates (myself included, and I didn't touch it while the update downloaded). Just stupid people hearing about the Auto Power-Down function and the lack of protection from bricking if it loses power mid-update and putting two and two together to get 5.
Nothing really to fix, just stupid people coming up with ways to put down the new Nintendo console based on something that sounds vaguely plausible but does not actually occur.aguspal said:
The system update is fucking huge (5GB, I think?), and practically every game has a launch-day update.CkretAznMan said:
The 10 minute thing is just a fade down, the automatic power off is default one hour, and is disabled during the update anyways.
This is going to be a huge problem for nintendo's console and a lot of angry casual customers/ children. Those of us in the Escapist are the extreme minority (like .001%) from the non-informed customers that normally buy gaming systems and software.
I can see it now, xmas morning timmy gets his WiiU, he unboxes it and hooks it up, sees the update required and clicks it, plays with other toys until it is done, comes back to see his WiiU silent, the screen black, and his xmas is ruined.
All joking aside, I can't expect one random customer who doesn't do any research on products (about 90% of them)to expect a console to auto turn off after an hour of no movement.
On the case of people still defending nintendo's storage prices by saying that they are doing it so the console is cheaper, that is a dirty tactic. You are essentially requiring the customer to foot the bill while pretending that they are getting a good deal. When in reality when you buy the WiiU, one game, and the memory for future use (500gb is my estimate) you are looking at over $500 bucks after tax. A little expensive for last gen's specs.
I can see it now, xmas morning timmy gets his WiiU, he unboxes it and hooks it up, sees the update required and clicks it, plays with other toys until it is done, comes back to see his WiiU silent, the screen black, and his xmas is ruined.
All joking aside, I can't expect one random customer who doesn't do any research on products (about 90% of them)to expect a console to auto turn off after an hour of no movement.
On the case of people still defending nintendo's storage prices by saying that they are doing it so the console is cheaper, that is a dirty tactic. You are essentially requiring the customer to foot the bill while pretending that they are getting a good deal. When in reality when you buy the WiiU, one game, and the memory for future use (500gb is my estimate) you are looking at over $500 bucks after tax. A little expensive for last gen's specs.
No offense, but where do you expect the OS to go? It's like if I gave you a computer with 20GB of space and a windows disc and said, "Have fun with your 20GB HDD." We both know there's nowhere else for windows to go once your ready to use it.Daystar Clarion said:I wasn't criticising youCapitano Segnaposto said:
Ninty advertised the consoles would have X amount of memory, but it turns out they don't have separate drives for the OS, so if you get an 8GB console, it's more like a 6GB console.
Consoles are computers. Thinking of them as anything else is silly.
They need their own OS/BIOS, and that requires some space.Even then, the cost of HDD's are going down. Nintendo was nice enough to include support for removable media. Spend an additional $50 for a 500GB HDD and you won't have to worry about space.
PS3 are about the same way they advertise the full size space but actually remove about 5gbs for system info so you're short about 5gb compared to what it says on the side of the box.Daystar Clarion said:I wasn't criticising youCapitano Segnaposto said:
Ninty advertised the consoles would have X amount of memory, but it turns out they don't have separate drives for the OS, so if you get an 8GB console, it's more like a 6GB console.
Just you know they never sold a model that only had less than half of it's memory empty for multiple purpose use.
I knew someone was going to say exactly as you did. And I shall repeat myself just for you:Anthony Wells said:
It's a stupid feature as far as I'm concerned.
Honestly this is really stupid. stupid people making stupid statements so Nintendo will look stupid.
Firmware updates will kill any system if you interrupt it by turning of the power during the process, there are no exceptions to this.
sure a 5gb(citation needed) day 1 update should not happen but the worst thing that can happen is that you get a power outage(I'll get back to this one) or you/someone else unplugs the console. otherwise it's just a minor drawback that requires some patience, i mean it's just been launched and there will be plenty of time to play with it after the update.
now as for power outages this is unlikely, sure it can happen and i feel bad for those that it has happened to. but unless you live in an area where power outages are frequent this shouldn't be a problem. If you happen to live in such an area then i assume gaming is already very inconvenient and you have invested in some form of safety mechanism.
also the auto-shutdown thing is just bullshit, just watch this video (you only need to watch for a second)
now look at the top for the first 2 seconds "the auto power-down function has been temporarily disabled."
Firmware updates will kill any system if you interrupt it by turning of the power during the process, there are no exceptions to this.
sure a 5gb(citation needed) day 1 update should not happen but the worst thing that can happen is that you get a power outage(I'll get back to this one) or you/someone else unplugs the console. otherwise it's just a minor drawback that requires some patience, i mean it's just been launched and there will be plenty of time to play with it after the update.
now as for power outages this is unlikely, sure it can happen and i feel bad for those that it has happened to. but unless you live in an area where power outages are frequent this shouldn't be a problem. If you happen to live in such an area then i assume gaming is already very inconvenient and you have invested in some form of safety mechanism.
also the auto-shutdown thing is just bullshit, just watch this video (you only need to watch for a second)
now look at the top for the first 2 seconds "the auto power-down function has been temporarily disabled."
If this was an issue we'd have seen 'real news' about it and you'd hear the rage all over the internet. A few people screwed up or were screwed over when updating. This happens to anything, nothing to see here.
Actually, years ago Microsoft had the 20GB 360 which, after starting up brand new, had a about 10.1GB of free space left. I know this because I bought it. I had to dig in there and start deleting stuff. Thankfully a few gigs were just game demos and crap I didn't want.Lucane said:PS3 are about the same way they advertise the full size space but actually remove about 5gbs for system info so you're short about 5gb compared to what it says on the side of the box.Daystar Clarion said:I wasn't criticising youCapitano Segnaposto said:
Ninty advertised the consoles would have X amount of memory, but it turns out they don't have separate drives for the OS, so if you get an 8GB console, it's more like a 6GB console.
Just you know they never sold a model that only had less than half of it's memory empty for multiple purpose use.
And I knew I was going to upgrade my PS3 HDD about a month after I bought it. I've seen PS3 users use Swissknife to get at least 1TB internal drives working. Frankly, pulling the HDD and replacing it myself was just about the most eye opening experience this generation.
So the issue remains: manufacturers are still getting people to pay a premium amount for more memory (looking at you too, Apple), but at least there's a built-in capability to expand the capability. Unfortunately, until more WiiU's start circulating, we won't be able to verify these questions ourselves and will have to rely on--well, rhetoric really.
5 Gigs: I've heard reports of everything from 1 GB to 5GB, and no one seems to make up their mind. At any rate, it's really not that much, considering that your average download nowadays is significantly more than that.Sylveria said:
Auto Turn Off: I've only heard that in speculation. I've been told by a Wii U owner that their Wii U said "We won't turn off mid-update". So that's false, as are all your statements based on it. ie. Most of your post.
Power Outages: Welcome to electronics. All of them. You cannot fix this any more than you can make all elephants naturally fly. Saying it's "anti-consumer" just makes you look completely ignorant of all electronics ever.
EDIT: If you're saying that you shouldn't have to pay shipping, then good for you! Maybe you can convince them to pay it for you, as it's been for the past few decades. Not-being-anti-corporation doesn't make me anti-consumer, as much as you want it to.
seems the person who started this thread forgot to mention one important thing, you can turn off the auto shutdown.
There IS no common knowledge anymore. Not while the internet allows dumb people doing dumb things to get an audience.Whitbane said:
Someone humor me here:
Why would the system brick during the download phase? Doesn't the entire thing need to finish downloading before installation, or is it divided into packets that are loaded and dumped to compensate for the tiny harddrive sizes?
Why would the system brick during the download phase? Doesn't the entire thing need to finish downloading before installation, or is it divided into packets that are loaded and dumped to compensate for the tiny harddrive sizes?