Wikileaks

[Wolfram23]

First time I heard of Wikileaks was this weekend, some friends were chatting about all the conspiracys and whatnot... went to check it out and it's not there... /shrug. Seemed interesting, anyway.

 

[zehydra]

there should be no need to keep dirty secrets in our government. If our government requires to have dirty secrets, then we need a new government.

 

[Kinokohatake]

I think what he is doing will benefit NO ONE. Who is this helping? And I seriously question his intentions behind it. If he was targeting Iran, Cuba, the US, Germany, Australia, and every other country equally it would be one thing. But nearly everything that has been released has been of the "Fucking Americans" mindset. It's like if Yahtzee ran Wikileaks.

 

[Casual Shinji]

I don't think Wikileaks takes any responsibility for the sercrets they publish. Now, I haven't checked out any of these leaks myself, except for the ones I heard about on the news, but it seems like Wikileaks just throws this stuff online regardless of what might happen.

Posting secrets which might endanger lives in current or future operations abroad doesn't sit too well with me.

I'm not siding with the government or Wikileaks regarding this matter, but Wikileaks seems to focus a lot more on sticking it to the Man rather than educating the public.

 

[knhirt]

Here's a fun little website:

http://sowhyiswikileaksagoodthingagain.com/

I support the activity of Wikileaks, personally.

 

[mikecoulter]

I dont really see what it's trying to achive to be honest.

Apart from destroy vital international relationships that is...

I think they're trying to show how dishonest governments are on their opinions of each other. This could be a good thing to know, but in some cases its become more destructive than constructive.

 

[mikecoulter]

Here's a fun little website:

http://sowhyiswikileaksagoodthingagain.com/

I support the activity of Wikileaks, personally.

Wow, I'm liking that site! May post it on my Twitter and Facebook...

 

[Jackpot524]

I'm perfectly fine with Wikileaks, it brings to surface information that the general public would likely not come to know. Though, I find some information is trivial or blown out of proportion. However, I think this is usually the fault of the public reaction as opposed to the information itself. Just because a minister of a foreign gov't writes a mean-spirited e-mail about another country doesn't mean that the minister's gov't as a whole supports their ideas.

 

[Poptart Invasion]

i totally agree with there being watchdogs for the average citizen against the gov't. but...this guy isnt what we need.
you want to expose dirty spending by big banks? swell! you want to expose war-crimes, so those responsible for dishonoring the mantle of a soldier are brought to justice? right on, buddy!

you want to expose the names of gov't informants, who are helping are soldiers fight the guys they really wanna be fighting, who provide information that, in some cases, prevents civilian casualties, prevents military casualties, and may even decrease enemy casualties by increases the chance of capture, rather than the killing, of terrorists and insurrectionists, possibly leading to a another (albeit, detained) informant?

and do you want to do this, knowing full well that these individuals, who would have had it easier if they had kept to themselves, or worse yet, aided terrorists, yet decided that the right course of action, whether you agree or not, was to aid the coilition forces, in the hope of a more prosperous and stable home, if not tomorrow then prehaps someday, for their family, for their children, and for future generations--expose them by name and location, knowing full well they and their entire family, even their children, potentialy face death at the hand of merciless, indiscriminate, slaughtering butchers?

go.
right.
the.
fuck.
to.
hell.
you.
worthless.
disgusting.
bottom-feeding.
scum-sucking.
piece.
of.
dogshit.
bastard.

i dont care what phoney charge they slap on this monster. he's not the champion of democracy or the free-exchange of ideas. we need one, but this cretan isnt it.
i hope he rots in a secret prison for the rest of his life for the soldiers and innocent civilians hes put at risk. maybe its not the ideals i should be standing by as an american, and i tend to be more idealistic than most of my fellow citizens. but the only fair thing would be worse; slaughtering HIM. preferable making it last an hour for each life that came to an end because of his leaks.

but that wouldnt be a precedent i could stand behind, even as applicable for this prick as it might be. a precedent i can get behind: themistoclese. his lie saved democracy. i can support a lie that gets this dispicable stain at least a modicum of the punishment he deserves.

i hope the day they catch him is the last day he ever sees the sun again.

 

[awesomeClaw]

I think that the misconduct that the goverment has done should come to light. Yes! And the way the American goverment reacts by trying to obviously frame Assange shows what kind of people we are dealing with. And that our Western Society needs to be more open and honest about their mistakes.

You make an excellent point, but I feel I must correct you on one point- The American/Western government is pulling for the criminalization of Assange, yes, but it is the European governments that are the ones that are actively sabotaging him and Wikileaks as a whole (Freezing bank accounts, filing arrest warrants, etc.) America is just demonizing the man and wikileaks, not actively destroying it.

Right, and you really don't think America is behind it all... I'll give you this link.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/assange-rape-accuser-cia-ties/
Sweden, Britain and the EU entirely are America's little *****. I know because i live in Holland. This is just America doing the framing through Sweden.

It is Europe and America actively sabotaging him. Europe is just doing it on America's behalf so when they are done prosecuting Assange they can send him straight to America. Were he'll probably end up dead.

Furthermore, don't you think it is odd that these "rape" charges make him the most wanted man to friggin Interpol. No... Uncle Sam has the biggest finger in the soup right here.

Thank you for that. I also think Uncle Sam has a finger in the game, but there is no need to insult the EU. Or Sweden. Because Sweden is awesome.

Hell, Assange openly stated he doesn´t want to have a trial because he´s scared that he´ll be sent to USA!

 

[Snor]

wikileaks is awesome nuff said. jay for journalism boooh for government censorship
sure you can keep things secret! but be smart enough to actually keep it you know...secret

 

[Snake Plissken]

You mean the government does all sorts of shady shit behind our backs?

Nooooooooooooo...

Really? REALLY? No way. I refuse to believe that.

I haven't kept up with a lot of what has been going on in the last month or so with the whole scandal-thing, but none of the information seems very groundbreaking. It's mostly shit we already assumed anyways.

 

[ultimateownage]

Who do you think is right in the case of Wikileaks versus The Government?

I personally think that the governments are allowed to keep documents for themselves; not everything is meant for civilians.

But that's my opinion so let me know yours!

My opinion is that your post had a hell of a lot of grammatical and punctual errors.
O.T. Wasn't there a law where any citizen could ask to see any government document they want? It's why the important/ secret documents are almost entirely blacked out or no longer exist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information_legislation

 

[The Hive Mind]

i totally agree with there being watchdogs for the average citizen against the gov't. but...this guy isnt what we need.
you want to expose dirty spending by big banks? swell! you want to expose war-crimes, so those responsible for dishonoring the mantle of a soldier are brought to justice? right on, buddy!

you want to expose the names of gov't informants, who are helping are soldiers fight the guys they really wanna be fighting, who provide information that, in some cases, prevents civilian casualties, prevents military casualties, and may even decrease enemy casualties by increases the chance of capture, rather than the killing, of terrorists and insurrectionists, possibly leading to a another (albeit, detained) informant?

and do you want to do this, knowing full well that these individuals, who would have had it easier if they had kept to themselves, or worse yet, aided terrorists, yet decided that the right course of action, whether you agree or not, was to aid the coilition forces, in the hope of a more prosperous and stable home, if not tomorrow then prehaps someday, for their family, for their children, and for future generations--expose them by name and location, knowing full well they and their entire family, even their children, potentialy face death at the hand of merciless, indiscriminate, slaughtering butchers?

go.
right.
the.
fuck.
to.
hell.
you.
worthless.
disgusting.
bottom-feeding.
scum-sucking.
piece.
of.
dogshit.
bastard.

i dont care what phoney charge they slap on this monster. he's not the champion of democracy or the free-exchange of ideas. we need one, but this cretan isnt it.
i hope he rots in a secret prison for the rest of his life for the soldiers and innocent civilians hes put at risk. maybe its not the ideals i should be standing by as an american, and i tend to be more idealistic than most of my fellow citizens. but the only fair thing would be worse; slaughtering HIM. preferable making it last an hour for each life that came to an end because of his leaks.

but that wouldnt be a precedent i could stand behind, even as applicable for this prick as it might be. a precedent i can get behind: themistoclese. his lie saved democracy. i can support a lie that gets this dispicable stain at least a modicum of the punishment he deserves.

i hope the day they catch him is the last day he ever sees the sun again.

Its funny how nobody can name a single person directly affected. Its almost as if the media are fear-mongering, government controlled propaganda stages who have spouted this crap so ignorant fuckwads like you start parroting this bullshit about him having blood on his hands.

Julian Assange is a free-speech activist. He is a fucking hero who doing more to end government corruption than anyone else has (or at least publicly) for decades.

 

[Tharwen]

I think Assange is being irresponsible in releasing so much information with no regard for the consequences. Some of the things on the website are probably there for the best, but a lot of it is harmful and nothing more.

Still, he has a sort of obligation to release absolutely everything because if he ever holds back information, he could be called a hypocrite.

 

[Verp]

When governments show total disregard for human rights and show that those in charge have interests that exclude mine, I have no desire to side with them. If my country's politicians, who do things in my name as a citizen of my country, do something shameful or harmful, I want to know. I'm fully willing to forfeit some of my safety for the existence of WikiLeaks.

 

[kokoska]

How could you not support wikileaks? if they don?t reveal secret locations of strategic importance to the nation, if they don?t expose the misgivings between various diplomats who rely on trust between each other to avoid military conclusions, if they don?t show military plans, stratagems and contingencies thus nullifying their usefulness, who will? How could you possibly find error?

I get that there are war atrocities that are also mixed in there. As a people, yea, that?s something to protest. But frankly, we all know these things happen, and have happened since antiquity (and if you think otherwise, I?m a Nigerian prince). That doesn?t make them acceptable, but it also makes their value negligible compared to the blatantly harmful documents also leaked.

 

[Something Amyss]

Governments could probably stand to classify far less than they do, but complete openness is not practically feasible.

The big problem is that in the last couple administrations, the US government has gotten out of control with its use of "classified." I can't speak as much for other governments, but it's getting ridiculous. I'm not saying the US has never abused the system before, nor that they shouldn't ever classify things, but it just gets crazy at points.

Someone needs to hold them accountable. That used to be the press and the people.

 

[AgentBJ09]

i totally agree with there being watchdogs for the average citizen against the gov't. but...this guy isnt what we need.
you want to expose dirty spending by big banks? swell! you want to expose war-crimes, so those responsible for dishonoring the mantle of a soldier are brought to justice? right on, buddy!

you want to expose the names of gov't informants, who are helping are soldiers fight the guys they really wanna be fighting, who provide information that, in some cases, prevents civilian casualties, prevents military casualties, and may even decrease enemy casualties by increases the chance of capture, rather than the killing, of terrorists and insurrectionists, possibly leading to a another (albeit, detained) informant?

and do you want to do this, knowing full well that these individuals, who would have had it easier if they had kept to themselves, or worse yet, aided terrorists, yet decided that the right course of action, whether you agree or not, was to aid the coilition forces, in the hope of a more prosperous and stable home, if not tomorrow then prehaps someday, for their family, for their children, and for future generations--expose them by name and location, knowing full well they and their entire family, even their children, potentialy face death at the hand of merciless, indiscriminate, slaughtering butchers?

go.
right.
the.
fuck.
to.
hell.
you.
worthless.
disgusting.
bottom-feeding.
scum-sucking.
piece.
of.
dogshit.
bastard.

i dont care what phoney charge they slap on this monster. he's not the champion of democracy or the free-exchange of ideas. we need one, but this cretan isnt it.
i hope he rots in a secret prison for the rest of his life for the soldiers and innocent civilians hes put at risk. maybe its not the ideals i should be standing by as an american, and i tend to be more idealistic than most of my fellow citizens. but the only fair thing would be worse; slaughtering HIM. preferable making it last an hour for each life that came to an end because of his leaks.

but that wouldnt be a precedent i could stand behind, even as applicable for this prick as it might be. a precedent i can get behind: themistoclese. his lie saved democracy. i can support a lie that gets this dispicable stain at least a modicum of the punishment he deserves.

i hope the day they catch him is the last day he ever sees the sun again.

Glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks this way about this guy running WikiLeaks. I'm frankly surprised the government doesn't shut him down and imprison him for treason; he's threatening to reveal information that could kill our citizens and likely anyone else they've associated with.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/05/wikileaks-ready-release-massive-insurance-file-shut/

And then there's this. How exactly does this guy get away with blackmailing the U.S.? In any sane world, he would arrested and if he launched the files, put to death in front of the firing squad.

So, no, this isn't free speech. Not when you're blackmailing a government.

 

[Bobic]

I think wikileaks is just being incredibly restless about the whole thing. If they just released things to do with the government doing morally questionable things then that would be fair enough. But telling the world that saudi arabia pushed for the americans to bomb Iran is just a step too far. Could've ended terribly. Thank god Ahmadinejad is so paranoid that he beleives it to be western propaganda.