Will Dragon Age 2 be a worthwhile improvement?
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Bioware back to the Forgotten Realms is a motto I can believe in.mireko said:
Despite myself, I am still excited about it. Mostly because I hope they will elaborate on Tevinter. And the mage attacks will be awesome.
Please.zpucek said:
Like I don't follow everything Chris Avellone does like a puppy.
'Cept New Vegas. That was distinctly 'meh' compared to everything else he's done.
I do appreciate the sentiment though Zpucek, thank you.
Just get your preorder and raise your expectations like everyone else. If it turns out you liked ME2 more than ME1 there's still hope.
You're preachin' to the pope, friend.Xzi said:
I'm a big fan of Obsidian despite their clunky gameplay, namely because their stories take the RPG tropes and either turn them on their head or make them a big part of the story (Kotor 2, Alpha Protocol and Mask are excellent at this), and are usually more character focused and darker than what Bioware traditionally gets up to.
Which is why the direction the story DA2 seems to be taking, especially in such an odd direction as a story that is told over a decade, is something I really want to see what Bioware can do with it.
True, I'd feel more safe about the purchase if it was in Obsidian's hands, but Bioware has never let me down yet, I trust 'em.
MisterShine said:
Mass Effect does have a 'good v bad' system all of your choices and dialogue options either give you points in renegade or paragon. Come on it is when you boil it down, one is the nicer way, one is the nastier.Also I got the impression that they were doing a 'good v bad' in the videos that they have been releasing when one of the guys that worked on the game talks about the various ways the story can pan out. He mentions that Hawke can be either the nicer, self sacrificing champion or the more ruthless, do what needs to be done champion those are nearly his exact words. I forget slightly since I watched it a few days ago.
While its true that paragon is about cooperation and renegade is getting the job done, neither often sinks into the "rescue orphans kitten from the tree" to "strangle kitten and charge the orphans money", like you were in, say, KOTOR or Fable. Its technically a morality system in that there are two choices and you get a neat little bar to fill up, but you can also choose a neutral path or be both renegade and paragon in different amounts, one doesn't affect the other.Aiden_the-Joker1 said:
I won't say it's impossible that Hawke is either a straight good or straight ruthless guy, but I do know for certain that there won't be any kind of "morality meter" and that the grey on grey setting found in the first is still very much present in the second (according to the devs on the forums anyway). Also I think what they're talking about with the video was the range that you could play Hawke too, I'd remind you that you could be both of those things in the first Dragon Age.Aiden_the-Joker1 said:
It looks like it's going to be a major improvement. The core combat looks the same, but the storytelling looks like it will be 1000% better. It also looks like they are making the other races look less human, and giving the world a more interesting design (note: I didn't say better graphics, but design).
While I couldnt "ultimately" enjoy DAO that much as a full game (my own fault entirely) I still respect the game and enjoyed it enough in parts, and it showed through my desire to actually purchase it despite not being a devoted fan like I normally would with Bioware games.
DAII? I cant even be bothered to look at any of the awful marketing because I can tell I wont enjoy it.
Seems to be Biowares new flagship model: "dumb the living fuck out of games to try and appeal to a wider audience". Normally you couldnt begrudge them trying to sell their game to more people, but you absolutely can when they dumb down and strip out much of what you liked about their games.
Bioware just come across as more greedy nowadays and are more about making games cheaper to try and sell to more. Maybe I could blame EA, but its Bioware making the games now and ruining aspects I liked about their style, so they are the ones I get to hate on for it.
DAII? I cant even be bothered to look at any of the awful marketing because I can tell I wont enjoy it.
Seems to be Biowares new flagship model: "dumb the living fuck out of games to try and appeal to a wider audience". Normally you couldnt begrudge them trying to sell their game to more people, but you absolutely can when they dumb down and strip out much of what you liked about their games.
Bioware just come across as more greedy nowadays and are more about making games cheaper to try and sell to more. Maybe I could blame EA, but its Bioware making the games now and ruining aspects I liked about their style, so they are the ones I get to hate on for it.
I don't care that they changed the combat system - provided it's fun.
I will miss the PC-friendly BG-era party control and character development though.
What concerns me most is the change in the dialogue system. Bringing in the wheel from mass effect... eurgh.
"I don't like your tone." translates to "I'm going to shoot your face off." since when?
I will miss the PC-friendly BG-era party control and character development though.
What concerns me most is the change in the dialogue system. Bringing in the wheel from mass effect... eurgh.
"I don't like your tone." translates to "I'm going to shoot your face off." since when?
The Characters in Dragon Age 2 dont look half as good as the ones from Origins. Will probably have the personality of a door mat aswell. You just can't get better Morrigan and Sten! And Yes the game play will be dragged down and packed full useless features. Origins could of had a bit more but when has dragon slaying been easy?
Dragon Age Origins development started in 2004 so you have to expect some that there must have been some paperwork problems that caused delay. As for the second game it seems that it will be vastly improved but It isn't out yet so we can't judge.TrevorGruen said:
Skill trees thing is that supposedly it isn't all just single lines but actual branches. I've seen that mentioned in a couple of articles including one here on the escapist somewhere.darth.pixie said:
As for the plot remark why speculate about that? That's just negative thinking. Focus on what we know, which is you're a refugee that goes from that to champion and it somehow causes a war that involves the Chantry.
Ive never understood this "role-playing" thing, I get way more attachted to a charachter if they exactally that "a charachter" (talking helps but isnt essental) not some empty space with a camera following them around (though to be fair oblivion is worst and only offender Ive seen in this regard) and yes being able to influence their choices also helps with me caring about them
Dragon age actually did this incredibly well, choosing your class actually means somthing and your charachter has a story they dont just pop up out of nowhere,
anyway I thinking actually talking in a game like this is a good thing, as for having to play as humsn..yes I can understand the annoyance there, but Im ok as long as I can play as a chick
as for "dumbing it down" what ever that means, yes they probably did but I dont care
and this is why I dont like speculation, just get into huge arguments over nothing fact is none of us really know untill the bloody thing comes out so really just wait and see
Dragon age actually did this incredibly well, choosing your class actually means somthing and your charachter has a story they dont just pop up out of nowhere,
anyway I thinking actually talking in a game like this is a good thing, as for having to play as humsn..yes I can understand the annoyance there, but Im ok as long as I can play as a chick
as for "dumbing it down" what ever that means, yes they probably did but I dont care
and this is why I dont like speculation, just get into huge arguments over nothing fact is none of us really know untill the bloody thing comes out so really just wait and see
