Will Joe Biden Drop Out of the Presidential Race

[lil devils x]

Yes and no.

No, because they mostly only pretend to be what you describe. Yes, because the situation you describe is extortionate and it's best not to capitulate to extortion. Democrats like that Republicans are so terrible because it allows them to be more terrible than otherwise unless the voters don't capitulate to extortion. If you act like a captured constituency-- if you "vote blue no matter who"-- then your policy preferences can be absolutely disregarded because you have no standards. The party that doesn't get your vote under any circumstances will ignore you and the party that gets it unconditionally will also ignore you.

The reason that Republicans are allowed to be so terrible is because Democrats keep triangulating themselves further and further right.



People will literally become homeless and lose access to basic necessities with this relief being passed. We have an unprecedented spike in unemployment and this is all the Democrats can muster? The very least they could do is propose much better and indicate in some way that they would do better if they could, but they're not even doing that! And do you know why? Because they don't actually want to do better. They're not angry at Republicans for being in the way of progress, they're thankful to them for being so terrible that they can use the Republican alternative as a cudgel against the left.



It's a two party system. Destroying one party allows space for another to grow. By all means, destroy the Republican party too. I'm not voting for them either. The Democratic Party is the more immediate obstacle because it is the nominally left party that is supposed to represent workers and the marginalized, but it doesn't to anywhere near an adequate degree. We have two parties of big business. One of them is less opposed to abortion than the other. One of them likes gay marriage so long as it maintains 56% or more support in polling. One of them is less offensive in how it describes the goals of its very similar immigration policy. One of them says they believe the science on climate change while still absolutely not proposing anything adequate to address it.

I'm not going to reward a party media complex that engineered the nomination of a handsy segregationist to stop some mild social democracy just because they're going to say "but Trump is worse!" No. It is the job of the Democratic Party to assemble a coalition. They are not going to get my support with contempt for my policy preferences and extortion.

Here is the problem here. You see those people in the blue over there? They are going to suffer terribly and die. The people in the red and black over there, view them as disposable and worthless to them. The people in the red and black obviously have all the wealth, power and control EVERYTHING. Make no mistake, this is a plutocracy. DO not think for a minute the people in the blue have any power or say at all here. They are kept too weak to have a say. If you fail to appease the orange, red, green and black, you get ZERO help for the blue. The blue do not have a seat at the table so the best we can hope for IS for someone to extort the other party for help for them. The blue do not have the luxury of not giving in to extortion, instead they will take anything they can get and are begging us to do anything and everything possible to save them here. The problem here is that ANYTHING at this point is better than nothing. The best democrats can muster is whatever they can get republicans to pass. If republicans do not vote for it, the people in the blue are left to die here.

You ARE rewarding a party media complex that engineered the nomination of a handsy segregationist, what do you think Trump is? Except you are rewarding the one that is causing the blue to die faster than the one who is at least willing to help at all. All you do by killing the party that is at least sending some help their way is ensure the party that will kill off the blue faster has control for a very very long time, as no other party will be able to garner enough support to do anything at all once you push all the conservative democrats into the republican party as well. Would you rather the conservative democrats join the republicans and make sure left wing parties never have a chance at all, or would you rather us be able to get a few left wing polices passed here and there now and then while we try to build up more left wing support within the party?

If conservative democrats leave the democratic party and join republicans, medicare, medicaid, unemployment, disability, Obamacare, welfare will all cease to exist because nothing will come close to beating them. You want to force them out, but they will take their support with them, they will still hold their seats, you will just solidify their complete control and we will have one party that wins all the time. While the left ceases to exist in any meaningful way to enact anything at all.

 

[Agema]

Why? The cost of living comparison is relatively equal, the money goes just as far in the US as it does in Europe. Why would being more productive necessitate we spend proportionately more than other nations. GDP isn't a big pot of money and some gets given to support the poor. That's a nonsense metric.

Because we're talking about hierarchy, so the relative power and status of people within a society. Where income and wealth are major determinants of power and status, the bigger the gap between rich and poor, the bigger the difference in power and status. On top of sheer spending power, wealth will heavily equate to ownership of the means of production because savings are invested, and investments equal ownership (of land, shares, etc.) Here again, the greater the gap between rich and poor, the more that ownership is going to concentrate in the hands of the rich because they have a relatively higher share of national income to buy ownership. (And ownership then generates additional income.)

In the last 30 years, the average household income of the poorest fifth of households has seen a real-terms increase of only about 20%. For the top fifth of households income has more than doubled. A hugely disproportionate quantity of the USA's overall economic growth has flowed, and continues to flow, into the pockets of the rich.

 

[Silvanus]

Will they, though? "Much" more quickly? One tendency is that such things aren't reported on in anywhere approaching the same manner if they happen under Democratic administrations or because of Democratic lawmakers because it doesn't fit the narrative that the Democrats are better for the mass of people than Republicans-- better for the environment, more peaceful, favoring a kinder, gentler capitalism. They very well may be, marginally, but it's far from obvious if you separate policy from rhetoric.

Do you believe, for instance, that the US would have withdrawn from the Paris accords if not under a Republican executive? Rescinded those environmental protections I linked to above? Rescinded the various workplace protections Trump has rescinded? Appointed Kavanaugh?

A corporate Democratic presidency wouldn't have enacted meaningful economic reform. But, no, if you believe all of the above would've been the same, you're not paying attention.

They're "the same" only if we ignore subsyantial detail, and the hundreds or eventually thousands of lives this stuff impacts.

 

[lil devils x]

What incentive do the Democrats have to give republicans a deal on anything at all? The republican's policies are fundamentally opposed to the supposed democrat policies. But as we know even when the democrats held the house, senate, and presidency they let millions of people go homeless and had their properties swept up by people like Trump and Kushner through their bad policy making.

So what the democrats need to do to stop them is actually legislate against that, and extract that as deals against the republicans as a minority party would do, not bow to them out of the gate.

The incentive democrats have to bribe republicans is they still have left wing party members who can help save some of the blue on that chart. There will be no deals to extract from republicans policies, as they do not have an incentive to work with progressives at all really.

When Democrats held all houses, they managed to pass the ACA and medicaid expansion, which has provided life saving medication and treatments for millions of Americans that would have had no alternatives if that had not happened. Many people would have died without this happening already. Democrats holding all houses managed to save the lives of many people that would not be here today if they had not. That may not mean much to you, but to me that is a pretty big deal here.
Obama expanded access to food stamps by allowing jobless, childless adults access to more food they need to survive.

The number of people in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program has soared to an average 44.7 million in fiscal 2011, up 33% from fiscal 2009. Obama's stimulus act made it easier for childless, jobless adults to qualify for the program and increased the monthly benefit by about 15% through 2013.

In fiscal 2011, the federal government spent more than $75 billion on food stamps, which provided an average monthly benefit of $133.85 a month, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. That's up from $34.6 billion at the end of fiscal 2008, when recipients collected an average benefit of $102.19.

Obama increased and extended unemployment benefits:

President Signs Bill to Extend Jobless Aid (Published 2010)

The legislation, approved Thursday by Congress, will keep unemployment checks flowing to jobless Americans.

www.nytimes.com

Barack Obama urges Congress to extend benefits for long-term jobless

President says unemployment insurance, due to expire at end of year, is among most effective ways to boost economy

www.theguardian.com

He pushed for affordable housing, at all levels, even forcing affordable housing into affluent communities:

Obama set to force affordable housing into affluent communities

President Obama wants to “diversify” wealthy neighborhoods in America, and his administration plans to to force affluent communities to accept affordable housing, such as Section 8. The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) is set to release new regulations that would set aside...

www.washingtontimes.com

https://www.housingfinance.com/news/obama-outlines-hud-budget-increase_o

The reason the wealthy pushed back so hard on Obama was he actually DID do things to help the poor. Of course Trump has done everything he possibly can to undo everything Obama did and oust and harm the poor at every level possible, trying to ensure the poor can never gain any sort of power ever, but that doesn't change what Democrats actually did manage to get done when they could.

You want to act like this was nothing, it was something for those who were able to survive because of it. It is STILL something now to those who will become homeless, starve and die without access to these things now.

 

[Seanchaidh]

The reason the wealthy pushed back so hard on Obama was he actually DID do things to help the poor.

But they didn't push back hard on Obama, are you kidding? Many of them financed his campaigns.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The incentive democrats have to bribe republicans is they still have left wing party members who can help save some of the blue on that chart. There will be no deals to extract from republicans policies, as they do not have an incentive to work with progressives at all really.

When Democrats held all houses, they managed to pass the ACA and medicaid expansion, which has provided life saving medication and treatments for millions of Americans that would have had no alternatives if that had not happened. Many people would have died without this happening already. Democrats holding all houses managed to save the lives of many people that would not be here today if they had not. That may not mean much to you, but to me that is a pretty big deal here.
Obama expanded access to food stamps by allowing jobless, childless adults access to more food they need to survive.

The number of people in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program has soared to an average 44.7 million in fiscal 2011, up 33% from fiscal 2009. Obama's stimulus act made it easier for childless, jobless adults to qualify for the program and increased the monthly benefit by about 15% through 2013.

In fiscal 2011, the federal government spent more than $75 billion on food stamps, which provided an average monthly benefit of $133.85 a month, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. That's up from $34.6 billion at the end of fiscal 2008, when recipients collected an average benefit of $102.19.

Obama increased and extended unemployment benefits:

President Signs Bill to Extend Jobless Aid (Published 2010)

The legislation, approved Thursday by Congress, will keep unemployment checks flowing to jobless Americans.

www.nytimes.com

Barack Obama urges Congress to extend benefits for long-term jobless

President says unemployment insurance, due to expire at end of year, is among most effective ways to boost economy

www.theguardian.com

He pushed for affordable housing, at all levels, even forcing affordable housing into affluent communities:

Obama set to force affordable housing into affluent communities

President Obama wants to “diversify” wealthy neighborhoods in America, and his administration plans to to force affluent communities to accept affordable housing, such as Section 8. The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) is set to release new regulations that would set aside...

www.washingtontimes.com

https://www.housingfinance.com/news/obama-outlines-hud-budget-increase_o

The reason the wealthy pushed back so hard on Obama was he actually DID do things to help the poor. Of course Trump has done everything he possibly can to undo everything Obama did and oust and harm the poor at every level possible, trying to ensure the poor can never gain any sort of power ever, but that doesn't change what Democrats actually did manage to get done when they could.

You want to act like this was nothing, it was something for those who were able to survive because of it. It is STILL something now to those who will become homeless, starve and die without access to these things now.

Dems "managed" to pass a Republican healthcare bill when they were the majority and in one case the supermajority. That's the extent of what corporate dems will do, be republicans.

Holder: Banks Too Big To Prosecute

When the Attorney General of the United States admits some banks are simply too big to prosecute, it might be time to admit we have a problem -- and that...

www.huffpost.com

White House distances itself from Glass-Steagall push

Josh Earnest said the administration is still focused on implementing Dodd-Frank reforms.

thehill.com

The Democratic Party's deceitful game

They are willing to bravely support any progressive bill as long as there's no chance it can pass

www.salon.com

Blacks falling behind under ObamaCare

Blacks disproportionately live in states that have not expanded Medicaid.

thehill.com

President Obama signs $8.7 billion food stamp cut into law

The 2014 Farm Bill, which the president signed on Friday, will cause 850,000 households to lose an average of $90 per month.

www.msnbc.com

Obama's Foreclosure Relief Program Was Designed to Help Bankers, Not Homeowners | BillMoyers.com

Five million American families lost their homes in a disgrace that will haunt Democrats.

billmoyers.com

Among others. Obama was not a help.

 

[lil devils x]

But they didn't push back hard on Obama, are you kidding? Many of them financed his campaigns.

Why do you think Trump has done everything possible to destroy all of Obama's programs for the poor? Who put Trump into office? Trump promised to get rid of all of Obama's programs for the poor. Did Trump extend Obama's low income housing programs that gave low income families access to safer housing with good schools? Did Trump extend Obama's food stamp expansion that gave more access to long term jobless, childless, single adults? Has Trump been working to take away access to medications and treatments for the poor? Trump has been working relentlessly to remove all of those things from the poor. What happens to these people now when he does? Electing Trump WAS the pushback here. Obama putting poor kids into the same schools with their kids was " taking it too far" and got them all riled up to put an end to all of it for good.

When you push all the conservative democrats to join the republican party, you will have no wealth, power or support left to stop them and ensure that we have nothing but republican rule for a very long time. They will take their power with them and then we lose it all with no path to regaining it.

 

[lil devils x]

Dems "managed" to pass a Republican healthcare bill when they were the majority and in one case the supermajority. That's the extent of what corporate dems will do, be republicans.

Holder: Banks Too Big To Prosecute

When the Attorney General of the United States admits some banks are simply too big to prosecute, it might be time to admit we have a problem -- and that...

www.huffpost.com

White House distances itself from Glass-Steagall push

Josh Earnest said the administration is still focused on implementing Dodd-Frank reforms.

thehill.com

The Democratic Party's deceitful game

They are willing to bravely support any progressive bill as long as there's no chance it can pass

www.salon.com

Blacks falling behind under ObamaCare

Blacks disproportionately live in states that have not expanded Medicaid.

thehill.com

President Obama signs $8.7 billion food stamp cut into law

The 2014 Farm Bill, which the president signed on Friday, will cause 850,000 households to lose an average of $90 per month.

www.msnbc.com

Obama's Foreclosure Relief Program Was Designed to Help Bankers, Not Homeowners | BillMoyers.com

Five million American families lost their homes in a disgrace that will haunt Democrats.

billmoyers.com

Among others. Obama was not a help.

Of course they did, that was the best that you can expect when part of the democrats are conservatives as well. That is still far better than the conservative democrats leaving the democratic party and taking their seats and support with them making the republican party unstoppable isn't it? Then the republicans will have all the money, power and majority without any competition. Our only options here are accept the conservative democrats or give them to republicans and they take their support and seats with them. I am not seeing how giving the republicans a supermajority for the foreseeable future with no path forward at all for other parties will help at all here.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Of course they did, that was the best that you can expect when part of the democrats are conservatives as well. That is still far better than the conservative democrats leaving the democratic party and taking their seats and support with them making the republican party unstoppable isn't it? Then the republicans will have all the money, power and majority without any competition. Our only options here are accept the conservative democrats or give them to republicans and they take their support and seats with them. I am not seeing how giving the republicans a supermajority for the foreseeable future with no path forward at all for other parties will help at all here.

If these Democrats align with Republican values, I don't see how you can call them allies, or useful. Fuck them, they're why we had Obama. They're why we tried to have Hillary. And they're why we're trying to get Biden now.

Why do you want me to vote for people you think are traitors? Why do you want me to vote for people who cut food stamps and push financial deregulation? Why do you want me to vote for people who screw over the poor in healthcare? Why do you support these things?

 

[Seanchaidh]

Here is the problem here. You see those people in the blue over there? They are going to suffer terribly and die.

They're also by and large not voting for Joe Biden.

 

[lil devils x]

If these Democrats align with Republican values, I don't see how you can call them allies, or useful. Fuck them, they're why we had Obama. They're why we tried to have Hillary. And they're why we're trying to get Biden now.

Why do you want me to vote for people you think are traitors? Why do you want me to vote for people who cut food stamps and push financial deregulation? Why do you want me to vote for people who screw over the poor in healthcare? Why do you support these things?

They are allies because without them we have nothing 100% of the time rather than being able to pass something part of the time. You really should read your links above, you are proving my case for me. Look at the " Blacks falling behind under Obamacare in REPUBLICAN STATES THAT DECLINED MEDICAID EXPANSION." link you posted. Why were Republican states able to reject the medicaid expansion? Because the republican supreme court deemed their leftist bill unconstitutional. The more republicans are able to select judges for the supreme court, the more you ensure that we will never be able to have any left wing bills enacted at all, because their partisan judges will make sure it never happens for the rest of our lives now. Even if you elect Bernie Sanders, it won't matter now because the republican supreme court will throw anything he manages to get enacted out now.

Read your own links. Obama increased food stamps 15% initially, and then cut them 1% after the economy had recovered later to give farmers crop insurance to protect against crop loss. He still comes out ahead than when he started, by a lot.

HAMP was not the ONLY housing program Obama, it was just one of them. As I pointed out above, he did quite a bit to increase access to affordable housing, and republicans made him pay dearly for doing so when he encroached into their affluent neighborhoods.

Obama Budget Restores Housing Vouchers | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Fully restoring the vouchers cut by sequestration should be a key goal this year; the incidence of severe housing affordability problems among renters remains well above pre-recession levels and homelessness remains a large and persistent problem in many communities.

www.cbpp.org

FHA Loan Refinance and Home Purchase Loans at FHA.com

www.fha.com

You have to look at the whole picture here instead of focusing on tidbits. More people had access to housing due to Obama. More people had access to food. More people have access to medicine and treatments due to Obama. Claiming he did not do enough, while we are faced with the alternative of having our current president undo all of that on top of taking away more entirely, rings a bit hollow.

1)Traitors? I don't want you to vote for Trump or Flynn, who would meet that description.
2) Even with Obama's later 1% food stamp reduction later, he still came out with a 14% increase in food stamps due to his prior 15% increase. He also expanded access to people Trump is taking it away from.
3)Obama didn't screw over the poor on healthcare, without his subsides, my brother would not have access to free healthcare while he has Zero Income, EVEN in a state that rejected the medicaid expansion due to the loopholes democrats put in to make it still possible via the tax subsidies.
4) I support these people because I see them as the only path we currently have to save these people now and lay the groundwork needed to get more progressive plans needed later. I understand that allowing republicans to carry out their agenda will directly result in the suffering of millions of Americans and deaths that would have been prevented by blocking a republican majority by any means possible. I see the lives of the people who would be lost are more important than the bribes that democrats have to toss out all over the place to accomplish that goal. Of course I would LOVE to see Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren calling all the shots here, but I am not being given that option so I will take the best path forward we have now to allow them to influence policy. The alternative is to allow these people to die by not taking the actions necessary to save them. I do not find them as an acceptable sacrifice to " get my way" or to " teach people a lesson", Their lives are worth more to me than that.

 

[lil devils x]

They're also by and large not voting for Joe Biden.

They usually do not vote for anyone at all. It is extremely difficult for homeless to vote. The poor do not have time off from work, childcare , transportation to vote, many do not even have access to an ID or permanent address.
"SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: Well, because poor people don't vote. I mean, that's just a fact. That's a sad reality of American society. And that's what we have to transform. We have one — as you know, one of the lowest voter turnouts of any major country on Earth. We have done a good job bringing young people in. I think we have done-- had some success with lower income people. But in America today — the last election in 2014, 80 percent of poor people did not vote."

FACT CHECK: Bernie Sanders And Whether Poor Americans Vote

One of Sanders' stats may be off, but it's true that low-income Americans vote in far smaller numbers than their higher-income counterparts.

www.npr.org

Though it is actually more like 75%. but Bernie is not that far off.
The wealthy however, do vote. You do not win elections by relying on the poor to vote for you, because they like most young people do not manage to show up on election day when it counts. If you cannot get some of the wealthy on board, you are not even in the game, you have Zero Chance of winning. It is like running on the green ticket. You have no chance of success.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

They are allies

No they aren't. If they switch Republican then that opens up the seats to progressive candidates instead of a second republican option.

Obama's Foreclosure Relief Program Was Designed to Help Bankers, Not Homeowners | BillMoyers.com

Five million American families lost their homes in a disgrace that will haunt Democrats.

billmoyers.com

President Obama signs $8.7 billion food stamp cut into law

The 2014 Farm Bill, which the president signed on Friday, will cause 850,000 households to lose an average of $90 per month.

www.msnbc.com

I'm not going to do this again.

I'm not going to do this again.

How Obama Destroyed Black Wealth

The nation's first African-American president was a disaster for black wealth.

jacobinmag.com

I'm not going to do this again.

An Activist Stands Accused of Firing a Gun at Standing Rock. It Belonged to Her Lover — an FBI Informant.

Anti-pipeline activist Red Fawn Fallis stands accused of firing a gun. It belonged to her lover — an FBI informant who infiltrated Standing Rock.

theintercept.com

Why Did the Obamas Fail to Take On Corporate Agriculture? (Published 2016)

Activists hoped President Obama would fight for stronger regulation. Eight years later, they’re still waiting.

www.nytimes.com

Obama Wanted to Cut Social Security. Then Bernie Sanders Happened.

The Obama administration argued in 2012 for reducing Social Security benefits by recalculating the way cost of living adjustments are made.

theintercept.com

Did Obama Sell Out?

Maybe the banks are too big to jail. Or maybe Washington's revolving door is at work.

www.newsweek.com

You're the one not seeing the big picture. You're the one nitpicking small policies and saying he did good.

 

[lil devils x]

No they aren't. If they switch Republican then that opens up the seats to progressive candidates instead of a second republican option.

Obama's Foreclosure Relief Program Was Designed to Help Bankers, Not Homeowners | BillMoyers.com

Five million American families lost their homes in a disgrace that will haunt Democrats.

billmoyers.com

President Obama signs $8.7 billion food stamp cut into law

The 2014 Farm Bill, which the president signed on Friday, will cause 850,000 households to lose an average of $90 per month.

www.msnbc.com

I'm not going to do this again.

I'm not going to do this again.

How Obama Destroyed Black Wealth

The nation's first African-American president was a disaster for black wealth.

jacobinmag.com

I'm not going to do this again.

An Activist Stands Accused of Firing a Gun at Standing Rock. It Belonged to Her Lover — an FBI Informant.

Anti-pipeline activist Red Fawn Fallis stands accused of firing a gun. It belonged to her lover — an FBI informant who infiltrated Standing Rock.

theintercept.com

Why Did the Obamas Fail to Take On Corporate Agriculture? (Published 2016)

Activists hoped President Obama would fight for stronger regulation. Eight years later, they’re still waiting.

www.nytimes.com

Obama Wanted to Cut Social Security. Then Bernie Sanders Happened.

The Obama administration argued in 2012 for reducing Social Security benefits by recalculating the way cost of living adjustments are made.

theintercept.com

Did Obama Sell Out?

Maybe the banks are too big to jail. Or maybe Washington's revolving door is at work.

www.newsweek.com

You're the one not seeing the big picture. You're the one nitpicking small policies and saying he did good.

You are missing the whole picture here, he was handed a economy in free fall when he took office and he prevented a great depression. Of course the economic collapse hurt black Americans, they always get hurt the most when the economy falters, they are being hurt the most now. You are all over the place here and not looking at cause and effect. I already showed you above the food stamps cut worked out to be -1% but then was offset by his previous increase of 15% coming out to be a +14% INCREASE under Obama. You are not looking at what happened prior to that or doing the math here... at all.

Oh and The banks were too big to fail, if they failed they would bring the global economy with them, completely wiping out the middle and lower class in the process. They are STILL holding the global economy hostage and we still have no " safe way" to protect the lower class and middle when they fail. Until that happens, we have no easy answers here. Americans never regained what they lost due to the banking crisis, nor do we have a path forward for them to do so.

 

[gorfias]

I'm not sure if I have the ability to end this thread. I wanted to do so. I thought the issue over. It is going to be Biden. But now, there's talk again about dumping him. Hard to believe at this juncture.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

You are missing the whole picture here, he was handed a economy in free fall when he took office and he prevented a great depression. Of course the economic collapse hurt black Americans, they always get hurt the most when the economy falters, they are being hurt the most now. You are all over the place here and not looking at cause and effect. I already showed you above the food stamps cut worked out to be -1% but then was offset by his previous increase of 15% coming out to be a +14% INCREASE under Obama. You are not looking at what happened prior to that or doing the math here... at all.

Oh and The banks were too big to fail, if they failed they would bring the global economy with them, completely wiping out the middle and lower class in the process. They are STILL holding the global economy hostage and we still have no " safe way" to protect the lower class and middle when they fail. Until that happens, we have no easy answers here. Americans never regained what they lost due to the banking crisis, nor do we have a path forward for them to do so.

And his cabinet was hand picked by Citi bank. I'm sure that had nothing to do with anything like establishing regulations on them.

By every conceivable metric, things got worse under Obama. Our problems magnified, and when we looked to the Dems to maybe fix something, they capitulated. I can go on showing examples big and small of how things got worse, not better, under your precious Republican (D)s.

You're trying to scare me into voting for them because they might turn Republican? Good. Do it. If they're Republicans then they're occupying the wrong seats and stealing votes. Fuck them, throw them out. You won't convince me to vote for them by saying they're actually Republicans in the wrong seats.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

I'm not sure if I have the ability to end this thread. I wanted to do so. I thought the issue over. It is going to be Biden. But now, there's talk again about dumping him. Hard to believe at this juncture.

I found the clip he's referencing, I don't think that's what she said. A Democrat communications person not knowing how to communicate properly is absolutely on brand, but I think what she was getting at was that they can't officially nominate Biden outside of a convention, so they're holding it in some capacity.

 

[lil devils x]

And his cabinet was hand picked by Citi bank. I'm sure that had nothing to do with anything like establishing regulations on them.

By every conceivable metric, things got worse under Obama. Our problems magnified, and when we looked to the Dems to maybe fix something, they capitulated. I can go on showing examples big and small of how things got worse, not better, under your precious Republican (D)s.

You're trying to scare me into voting for them because they might turn Republican? Good. Do it. If they're Republicans then they're occupying the wrong seats and stealing votes. Fuck them, throw them out. You won't convince me to vote for them by saying they're actually Republicans in the wrong seats.

A global recession will make everything worse regardless of who is president, you act as if Obama caused the recession that he was handed. Not everything got worse under Obama, people who would have otherwise died without the ACA being alive is better because of Obama.

You have to reckon with the voters in their districts for electing conservatives if you want to change who they vote for. They are not " stealing votes", the people from their district are who are giving them that power. You have to deal with them first if you want to change that. " Throwing out the conservative dems" = give those seats to republicans because they will switch parties, as people often do, and when they do they take their seat with them. You are just taking away Bernie's ONLY path to get policy enacted by doing so. I am taking the only path we are given. If I see a better path, then I will take that as well. It is all about trying to do the best we can with the tools we have. I would LOVE for better tools, but until I get them we have to use this old rusty hammer that has the head keep flying off of it. It is still better than nothing.

I am not trying to " scare you into voting for them" The facts are scary yes, but I didn't cause those things to happen here, it is just republican polices really are that scary when they have the majority. They are the ones who are actually doing these things. It is the people who allow them to by either voting for them or allowing them to gain a majority by not doing anything to stop them. I just look at our only available options and try to find the best path forward to both stop them and get better policy enacted. It is all we CAN do in a plutocracy where we have no power to change it. If there was an option to change it, believe me I would be the first in line to do it. In the meantime, I am just trying to help as many survive in the process.

 

[lil devils x]

I'm not sure if I have the ability to end this thread. I wanted to do so. I thought the issue over. It is going to be Biden. But now, there's talk again about dumping him. Hard to believe at this juncture.

Quit trying to get people's false hopes up. I don't think anyone is coming to save us from this just yet. MAYBE he will pick a good VP like Warren or something and become incapacitated so have to rule in his stead. A girl can wish can't she? Wishfully thinks..Please pick a progressive VP please pick a progressive VP please pick a progressive VP...

 

[crimson5pheonix]

A global recession will make everything worse regardless of who is president, you act as if Obama caused the recession that he was handed. Not everything got worse under Obama, people who would have otherwise died without the ACA being alive is better because of Obama.

You have to reckon with the voters in their districts for electing conservatives if you want to change who they vote for. They are not " stealing votes", the people from their district are who are giving them that power. You have to deal with them first if you want to change that. " Throwing out the conservative dems" = give those seats to republicans because they will switch parties, as people often do, and when they do they take their seat with them. You are just taking away Bernie's ONLY path to get policy enacted by doing so. I am taking the only path we are given. If I see a better path, then I will take that as well. It is all about trying to do the best we can with the tools we have. I would LOVE for better tools, but until I get them we have to use this old rusty hammer that has the head keep flying off of it. It is still better than nothing.

I am not trying to " scare you into voting for them" The facts are scary yes, but I didn't cause those things to happen here, it is just republican polices really are that scary when they have the majority. They are the ones who are actually doing these things. It is the people who allow them to by either voting for them or allowing them to gain a majority by not doing anything to stop them. I just look at our only available options and try to find the best path forward to both stop them and get better policy enacted. It is all we CAN do in a plutocracy where we have no power to change it. If there was an option to change it, believe me I would be the first in line to do it. In the meantime, I am just trying to help as many survive in the process.

I act like he didn't institute any regulation to stop it from happening again, because he didn't. He just bailed them out and let them consolidate their power and snatch up people's land. Which is what you're trying to scare me about Trump doing.

Progressive candidates tend to do well in "conservative" areas when they don't have their platform taken away from them. There's a progressive woman running for congress in Nebraska, Nebraska, who nearly won in 2018. She probably would have, except the DCCC pulled out all their funding in her district after she beat the Pelosi backed corporate Dem in the primary. I'm not voting for traitors.

The Dems do it to. I guess I can post them doing literally the exact same thing all I want, but there's always an excuse for them. It's okay when a Dem does it, and that's all that matters, having Dems trample the people.