Windows 8 Will Be a "Real New Push Into PC Gaming"

[Sovereignty]

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You can be on the bandwagon all you want, but compared to the current generation of consoles/games the PC is equal not better. You can argue all you want about graphics, but you don't see many side-by-side comparisons as you can with a competition like blu-ray and DVD.

The main perk PC gaming gets is customization by way of modding or "hacking". And sure that can be great. I myself have edited a few saved games, but for me personally it kills any and every game I can play. Just like back when I was a kid and I could easily plug in cheat codes or gameshark.

Any of my consoles (Not my WII) are just as good as my PC. And they all cost less then it did (Except my PS3).

But my argument simply proves it's all subjective and opinionated. Your fact is inFACT a lie.

 

[Balobo]

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You can be on the bandwagon all you want, but compared to the current generation of consoles/games the PC is equal not better. You can argue all you want about graphics, but you don't see many side-by-side comparisons as you can with a competition like blu-ray and DVD.

The main perk PC gaming gets is customization by way of modding or "hacking". And sure that can be great. I myself have edited a few saved games, but for me personally it kills any and every game I can play. Just like back when I was a kid and I could easily plug in cheat codes or gameshark.

Any of my consoles (Not my WII) are just as good as my PC. And they all cost less then it did (Except my PS3).

But my argument simply proves it's all subjective and opinionated. Your fact is inFACT a lie.

The modding that people talk about for PC is not just about simple GameShark codes. The modding that people usually talk about is the act of creating your own levels, weapons, campaigns, game modes, etc. Not the simple act of cheating on a game.

Okay, any of your consoles are just as good as YOUR PC. Not mine I guess.

 

[TimeLord]

I'll believe it when DirectX is replaced with OpenGL or just stops being stupid.

I completely agree. I download a brand new game on Steam and it installs the appropriate DirectX software. Then I start up the game and there is a problem with DirectX

I hate DirectX

 

[SilentHunter7]

On certain games Steam IS a requirement. You can't install some games without it and an account, and you can't play them if you remove Steam later. You can install GFWL without an account, but you still can't remove it later and expect to play. Microsoft is going to have a full app store with the next version of Windows, so things will get interesting. I can't see Valve sueing them while they have the majority of the market, and I don't see their market shrinking any. So, unless Valve goes out of buisness, Microsoft will be able to impliment it by default in Windows 8, or they will just add it in a service pack all the same.

No, no, you don't get what I'm saying. Microsoft has cornered the PC Operating System Market. Almost everyone who owns a PC has a version of Windows on it. So if Microsoft integrated GFWL into Windows, or otherwise required it to be on your system, they would have near-saturation of the DD market simply because of how prolific their OS is. That's not fair competition, and is open to prosecution.

Also, if Microsoft uses Windows to make GFWL better than 3rd party DD systems in a way they can't compete with (like making downloads faster or easier, games more stable, or what have you using some kind of voodoo with the Windows source code), that is also not fair competition.

 

[QUINTIX]

Can you complete the following word puzzle?

Windows 95 = Bad
Windows 98 = Good
Windows ME = Bad
Windows XP = Good
Windows Vista = Bad
Windows 7 = Good
Windows 8 = ???

Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, and NT 4.0 where all Windows 4
Windows 2000, XP, Server 2003, MCE 2003/2005, XP Tablet Edition, XP 64bit Professional where all Windows 5
Windows Vista Home, Business, "Ultimate", Server 2008, where all Windows 6
Windows 7 is what it is, but it still runs on kernal version 6.

Also, if Microsoft uses Windows to make GFWL better than 3rd party DD systems in a way they can't compete with (like making downloads faster or easier, games more stable, or what have you using some kind of voodoo with the Windows source code), that is also not fair competition.

Microsoft no more wants to have a "splinternet" than Valve does. Remember, the whole controversy over Netscape happened because Marc Anderseen made a profoundly stupid statement, namely the man-decades that went into Windows, and the ideas behind it developed by the people Microsoft hired (from VMS to Xerox PARC) where all garbage.

In either case, there is no need for baseless speculation.

 

[Chibz]

Color me uninformed, but what exactly is all this hate towards Games for Windows Live stemming from?

To me the Games for Windows client is just a crappy digital download service, but the GFWL elements implemented in the games is actually a good thing to me.

I would LOVE to have this being part of the entire gaming environment on PC, a-la Xbox Live, rather than the way it is now (game dependant).

Am I alone on this?

GFWL is just xbox live's retarded younger brother. With infinitely fewer games, and inferior services provided. It's just awful.

Microsoft? Help revitalize the PC gaming industry? They stand to gain nothing from this, but lose a lot.

 

[Funkysandwich]

Microsoft should just hire valve to handle everything related to games on the PC.

At least steam works.

 

[Carlston]

Microsoft OS explained.

OS will change gaming by slowing down your processor so you must upgrade your entire pc to do anything at all.

Microsoft starts to make a new OS to use (slow down) all that wonderful CPU power when a fast enough one comes out to run the last OS at a respectable speed.

New OS slows high tech CPU down, forces upgrade.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

[Johnnyallstar]

Honestly, all they really need to do is streamline windows even further, and improve it's security. Especially stop embedding Internet Explorer into the actual OS, it's a MASSIVE security loophole.

Outside of that, I can't complain too much, since I'm mostly a linux guy.

 

[Woe Is You]

You can be on the bandwagon all you want, but compared to the current generation of consoles/games the PC is equal not better. You can argue all you want about graphics, but you don't see many side-by-side comparisons as you can with a competition like blu-ray and DVD.

Digital Foundry. Plenty of side-by-side comparisons there for multiplatform games.

The main perk PC gaming gets is customization by way of modding or "hacking". And sure that can be great. I myself have edited a few saved games, but for me personally it kills any and every game I can play. Just like back when I was a kid and I could easily plug in cheat codes or gameshark.

Any of my consoles (Not my WII) are just as good as my PC. And they all cost less then it did (Except my PS3).

If the first thing that comes to mind with you when mods are mentioned is cheating, you should really check some of the amazing single player campaigns done for HL2 for instance. Minerva is a good example there. Neverwinter Nights still has servers on running awesome modules made by players.

But my argument simply proves it's all subjective and opinionated. Your fact is inFACT a lie.

Well, numbers aren't subjective. And 5-to-6-year-old hardware is obviously dated if we're talking pure performance here. The 360 was around the level of an average gaming PC when it was released, 6 years from then tech has obviously moved on. The Wii is intentionally a very low spec device to begin with.

Coming to a thread about PC gaming basically exclaiming "I hope it dies" is a really classy way of beginning a conversation by the way. Don't be surprised when people are wildly opposed to your idea of an all walled garden approach to gaming. That might just be the day when gaming really dies.

 

[SimuLord]

I got two words for Microsoft on this argument. Bull. Fucking. Shit.

All you need to know about MS's commitment to PC gaming can be summed up in their attitude toward New Vegas DLC, which was either a gigantic Eff You to PC gamers or a hissy fit at Bethesda for listening to their customers and choosing Steamworks over the awful Games for Windows Live as the digital platform of choice for the game.

And if Microsoft's track record with operating systems is anything to go by, Windows 8 will be a steaming, buggy pile of garbage and Windows 9 will be when everybody finally upgrades from Windows 7.

 

[v3n0mat3]

Fix support your PC gaming service. Then we'll talk. Seriously, it's horrible. Have they even updated the store, I wonder? I think I speak for all of us when I say that I'm going to stick to steam. It's a much better service. Better deals, too.

 

[manaman]

Every notice how basically every other Windows OS sucks balls? 7, good. Vista bad. XP good. ME bad. 98 good. 95 bad.

Looks like they're right on track for a giant flop.

You are forgetting about the adding in all the other versions [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions], as well as the mobile versions.

Opps, I swear at least once a day I respond to an old thread thinking it's still on only a couple of pages.

 

[pokepuke]

Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, and NT 4.0 where all Windows 4
Windows 2000, XP, Server 2003, MCE 2003/2005, XP Tablet Edition, XP 64bit Professional where all Windows 5
Windows Vista Home, Business, "Ultimate", Server 2008, where all Windows 6
Windows 7 is what it is, but it still runs on kernal version 6.

This is very wrong, please stop saying it. You can't just mash together the 32 and 16 bit branches like that. Same with the Server editions.

Honestly, all they really need to do is ... stop embedding Internet Explorer into the actual OS, it's a MASSIVE security loophole.

Hasn't been since 6.

My 360 cost me 227.76 Including tax. It out performs my PC which isn't made specifically for gaming and cost me 486.94 Including tax.

Well there's the problem, and that's your fault. Duh. If you get parts geared toward gaming, then you can game better than with generic stuff. FACT.

 

[Cocamaster]

After I posted, people kept making my point a ?Steam Vs. GFWL? thing when it never was, while completely missing the point.

The point is that I would rather have the whole GFWL initiative as part of the OS than as a separate client, the same way Xbox Live is integrated to the Xbox 360 platform instead of a 3rd party application; with support from the platform maker.

I?m not even talking about Steam; Steam is very good for what it is, but it cannot sub for what I want. So please stop suggesting it.

I am also not talking about what the GFWL is, but what it COULD be.

 

[ImprovizoR]

You know guys, at least they're fucking trying; I'd rather have enthusiasm and fails than no effort and nothing getting done.

How exactly are they trying? PC gaming doesn't need a new operating system it need games. They will try to sell us new OS and then continue making games for 360. They don't even make games for PC any more. Why should we listen to anything they have to say about PC gaming when their best games are on consoles?

 

[Nouw]

You know guys, at least they're fucking trying; I'd rather have enthusiasm and fails than no effort and nothing getting done.

How exactly are they trying? PC gaming doesn't need a new operating system it need games. They will try to sell us new OS and then continue making games for 360. They don't even make games for PC any more. Why should we listen to anything they have to say about PC gaming when their best games are on consoles?

You do raise a good point, touche. I still stand with my point to an extent though >.>