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Dys

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As you've no doubt worked out (possibly from the thread title), the discussion I'm aiming to have here is about the 'wingman' [footnote]For the sake of simplicity I'm going to call female equivalents by the same name, I figure the kind of people who are going to take offence at that are probably going to be equally offended by the concept of helping friends pick up).[/footnote] role friends sometimes play.

So, the overwhelming majority of people on this site are currently or would like to be involved with the opposite sex (hence the countless relationship threads). I've no doubt a great many of you are uncomfortable striking up conversation with potential partners. Of course, another, different, great many of you will be fantastic at interacting with the opposite sex and as such may or may not be inclined to give a helping hand to their less charismatic and/or confident friends. It's this endeavour that I am curious about.

Basically, the sudden motivation[footnote]Few people will pick this up on an anonymous forum, however it's probably worth noting I scarcely invest effort in my own sex life, much less that of friends.[/footnote] for this stems from a friend I've known for several years, I'll skim past the tedious bits, but in essence he's desperate for a relationship. So much so that he's convinced himself that he's involved with a 16 year old[footnote]He's 20. It isn't illegal, but it also isn't healthy, especially as there's no chance of it ever amounting to anything.[/footnote] girl from across the pacific. The guy is very shy and somehow always manages to say the worst possible things, this is made worse by his complete intolerance of alcohol and his masculine desire to keep up the same number of drinks as the other guys in the group. He has little to no chance of meeting girls outside of through myself and other friends, and as time goes on it's becoming more and more obvious that if he is to have any measure of success, he's going to need help.

So, the ultimate question here is, should I take it upon myself to try and help him meet a girl? Obviously it isn't my responsibility and there's no reason for getting involved other than he's increasing desperation being more pathetic than I can bear. I'm not the most experienced guy in this area, and as I seem to find myself in positions where girls are interested in me with little to no effort (not entirely sure why it is, but my assumption is it's a combination of being confident and not caring about becoming involved with anyone specifically). There's a good chance that it could go very poorly and do more harm than good. How do the escapians feel about the concept of assisting a pick up, can this kind of relationship ever be long lasting and meaningful? More importantly, is the community able to produce examples (not necessarily similar circumstances, just general wingman stories)[footnote]I've only recently discovered the footnote function, and yes, I have basically been using it at every opportunity...I like it. This footnote doesn't actually add anything to my post.[/footnote].
 

S.R.S.

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Why not? Raise your Karma, friend forever in your debt.. but he is 20!

As for a "wingman experience" I've had. Got the DJ at a club to play my gf's favourite song. I didn't know the guy but I'm just know he's awesome.

Yah for footnotes!
 

WrongSprite

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Yeah, definitely. He could do with it, sounds like he's got nothing to lose. Once you've helped him once, he'll be able to do it on his own from that point.
 

BonsaiK

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Dys said:
As you've no doubt worked out (possibly from the thread title), the discussion I'm aiming to have here is about the 'wingman'
I've replied to this in the Relationship Problem thread which is at the following link: ---> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.117161-Relationship-problem-thread?page=27#5217376

(I know you're not having the problem, but he certainly is)
 

atalanta

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[small]There's a footnote function?! How do I work this magic?[/small]

It sounds like a decent idea to me -- if nothing else, taking him out and throwing him at girls might shock him out of being so shy. Although -- you say he's convinced himself he's dating someone overseas? If he really thinks he's in a relationship with this girl (and you're sure he's not, right?), well, good luck getting him out to chat up local girls.

Dys said:
How do the escapians feel about the concept of assisting a pick up, can this kind of relationship ever be long lasting and meaningful?
Of course, why wouldn't it?
 

DazZ.

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I'm better off alone than with a wingman, I either feel like not talking to anybody, or talking to everybody. Just depends what mood I'm in, I don't think it's because I'm shy, more because I'm lazy, and if my buddies forced a wingman thing upon me when I was feeling lazy it just wouldn't sit well. Could go alright, but I'd just be annoyed at me mates who know me.

As for wingmanning I've done myself is just talking to a load of people and striking up the conversation of who they're here with, hoping it'll come to who I'm with, and then putting them in a great light. Just somehow subtly bringing up the conversation of my friends without blurting out about them, and then saying a few good things about them. Then later on bringing them over whilst I focus on one person in the group hoping the others will talk to him.

As for how I feel about it, I don't see anything wrong with it at all, some people don't have the confidence and need a nudge. There was once a time I would have needed it for sure.
 

WolfThomas

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Female wingmen or pivots, are really the most useful thing to have, if they are hot they help make other women jealous/portray how much of a "catch" you are.

The worst thing though is a wingman who doesn't know how to disengage, his mate is chatting to the sheila and he awkwardly stands there by the side or worse trys to join the conversation. The minute your mate strikes up a rapport, unless she has friends, you move away and give them some space.
 

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BrynThomas said:
Female wingmen or pivots, are really the most useful thing to have, if they are hot they help make other women jealous/portray how much of a "catch" you are.
I agree, unless you're really flirty with them, in which case everyone thinks you're taken. It's fun either way though.
 

Dys

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atalanta said:
[small]There's a footnote function?! How do I work this magic?[/small]

It sounds like a decent idea to me -- if nothing else, taking him out and throwing him at girls might shock him out of being so shy. Although -- you say he's convinced himself he's dating someone overseas? If he really thinks he's in a relationship with this girl (and you're sure he's not, right?), well, good luck getting him out to chat up local girls.

Dys said:
How do the escapians feel about the concept of assisting a pick up, can this kind of relationship ever be long lasting and meaningful?
Of course, why wouldn't it?
He's definitely in a weird place, I'm not convinced it's actually possible to be in a relationship with someone whom you've never actually met in the flesh. It's fine to have a long distance relation ship, or to meet friends online[footnote]This includes partners.[/footnote] but I can't see how it could, in any way, be a real boyfriend/girlfriend relationship if you've never physically met the other party. I'm not sure how seriously he believes that he's involved with her, but I'd like to think that given the opportunity to meet a potential real girlfriend (even if it is online, so long as they can actually meet) that he'd be open to it.

As for why I'm not convinced such relationships would last, it's just the general vibe of the whole 'picking up' scene seems a bit casual, especially if it's an assisted pick up. I suppose I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work, but I'm a guy and as such I view relationships very differently from girls. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some unwritten rule that states all such pick ups are 'single serving friends'.