With 67% Drop, Looks like Suicide Squad is following in BvS footsteps

[mduncan50]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/suicide-squad-wins-box-office-151603060.html;_ylt=AwrBT9EFxrBX7OcAUzRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEydXBkbzE2BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM0BHZ0aWQDQjE5MTBfMQRzZWMDc2M-

Full disclaimer: I have not, nor will I see Suicide Squad in theaters. I do not hate DC, I love DC, and I refuse to keep giving WB any more of my money until they start making decent movies.

So to me it seems like the Suicide Squad situation is almost a full repeat of what happened with Dawn of Justice, right down to the cries of studio interference. Step 1: gets mauled by critics. Step 2: Fanboys proclaim it the best movie ever before seeing it, and accuse the critics of studioism, or of not being fanboyish enough... or something. Step 3: Movie sets all kinds of opening weekend box office records, seemingly almost to prove critics wrong. Step 4: Audiences split on whether it is good or not, although I've noticed that a lot of people that liked BvS hated it, and people that hated BvS liked it. I don't know what that means, just found it interesting. Step 5: Huge second weekend drop, despite no big competition. (Possible) Step 6: Barely limps into being profitable?

I don't even know that I have a point here, I just find it really fascinating that they could make two very different movies and end up with everything going pretty much identical. Thoughts? Civil thoughts, if you please.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Thoughts? Civil thoughts, if you please.

"I know how much Marvel means to you... Stay at home. You'll only make this worse."

[sub][sub]Couldn't resist... <.<[/sub][/sub]

I haven't personally gone nuts for a Warner Brother super hero movie since Dark Knight in 2008. Rises was alright but Man of Steel was the last time I watched a DC movie (and it was due to a friend dragging me out) and I was pretty annoyed by the choices made. I skipped Batman V Superman and was apparently vindicated in that decision.

I don't know... Trailers don't sell me on movies these days, word of mouth does after release. So the hype train goes on without me and I later hear, when I'm contemplating Suicide Squad that it was edited into a mess. So I will keep waiting for comparisons to the Nolan movies after release from people I know aren't complete die-hard DC fans and decide from there.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

And yet its still number one in the box office today despite the huge drop according to IGN, and I am just pointing numbers not quality, I have not seen Suicide Squad either nor plan to in theaters either:

1. Suicide Squad $43.8 million

2. Sausage Party $33.6 million

3. Pete's Dragon $21.5 million

4. Jason Bourne $13.6 million

5. Bad Moms $11.5 million

6. The Secret Life of Pets $8.8 million

7. Star Trek Beyond $6.8 million

8. Florence Foster Jenkins $6.6 million

9. Nine Lives $3.5 million

10. Lights Out $3.2 million

SOURCE: http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/08/14/like-batman-v-superman-suicide-squad-stays-no-1-despite-massive-worrisome-drop

 

[RaikuFA]

I thought it wasn't bad. Granted I rarely read comics so I'm probably the worst guy to go to for it.

 

[mduncan50]

And yet its still number one in the box office today despite the huge drop according to IGN, and I am just pointing numbers not quality, I have not seen Suicide Squad either nor plan to in theaters either:

1. Suicide Squad $43.8 million

2. Sausage Party $33.6 million

3. Pete's Dragon $21.5 million

4. Jason Bourne $13.6 million

5. Bad Moms $11.5 million

6. The Secret Life of Pets $8.8 million

7. Star Trek Beyond $6.8 million

8. Florence Foster Jenkins $6.6 million

9. Nine Lives $3.5 million

10. Lights Out $3.2 million

SOURCE: http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/08/14/like-batman-v-superman-suicide-squad-stays-no-1-despite-massive-worrisome-drop

Oh yeah, it's still the #1 movie of the second week (again, like BvS) but the only new wide releases are a stoner comedy and a kids movie.

 

[tippy2k2]

I have the same thoughts I had with Batman V Superman; I'll see it on Redbox when it comes out.

I seem to be one of only five people who actually liked Man of Steel so I feel like I'm going to enjoy BvS more than the average person. Suicide Squad has me a bit more worried that I won't like it based on what I've heard but again, I'll judge for myself once they pop out of Redbox.

 

[Evonisia]

The DC cinematic universe been a fascinating trainwreck, but a sad one for people who would just like their favourite characters put on screen without all this mess. That's my take from all three films looking to perform below their expectations.

 

[Zontar]

Oh yeah, it's still the #1 movie of the second week (again, like BvS) but the only new wide releases are a stoner comedy and a kids movie.

On top of that Sausage Party had a 19 million dollar budget, and Pete's Dragon a 65 million dollar one. Suicide Squad cost over a hundred million dollars compared to Pete's Dragon.

OT: While the movie will more then make back its budget and marketing cost, I doubt it'll be anything other then a disappointment for Warner in the same line as Bantman V. Superman, which came more then 100 million below the lowest possible level they could have hoped for on the low end of expectations. While not a flop, it isn't the success Warner certainly wanted it to be.

 

[mduncan50]

Oh yeah, it's still the #1 movie of the second week (again, like BvS) but the only new wide releases are a stoner comedy and a kids movie.

On top of that Sausage Party had a 19 million dollar budget, and Pete's Dragon a 65 million dollar one. Suicide Squad cost over a hundred million dollars compared to Pete's Dragon.

OT: While the movie will more then make back its budget and marketing cost, I doubt it'll be anything other then a disappointment for Warner in the same line as Bantman V. Superman, which came more then 100 million below the lowest possible level they could have hoped for on the low end of expectations. While not a flop, it isn't the success Warner certainly wanted it to be.

Yeah, industry estimates are that it has to make $700-800 to break even. I can see it hitting 700, but I don't know if it'll go too far over that. I really don't know how to feel about it. I want the movies to change, but at the same time I don't think I want full reboot. There are some good ideas amongst the bad, but I honestly don't see how they are going to improve things by just doing what they're doing.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I don't even know that I have a point here.

Gloating? You point and tsk-tsk every time a new DC movie doesn't make as much as you say it should.

 

[Sixcess]

I am counting the days until WB swallow their pride and announce the real director's cut. I enjoyed Suicide Squad for what it was, but it's a frustrating experience because I can see there's maybe a much better, certainly more interesting movie in there trying to get out, and that is a movie I really want to see.

I've read comments and interviews from several of those involved (David Ayer, Margot Robbie) defending the edit that ended up on screens as a valid creative decision (rather than the test audience/focus group driven panic measure we all know it was) and that's fair enough - I don't expect them to potentially damage their own careers by going against the company line while the movie is still in theatres.

The problem with Suicide Squad is that everything that went wrong went wrong from the top down. It's the suits that need to go, but they're not going to fire themselves so I fully expect this slow motion catastrophe to continue until one of these things bumbs so badly it puts the entire studio at risk and forces change at the very top.

 

[mduncan50]

I don't even know that I have a point here.

Gloating? You point and tsk-tsk every time a new DC movie doesn't make as much as you say it should.

Gloating would imply that I am happy about what is happening with DC movies, and I assure you I am not. I'm simply looking to have a conversation. I'm sorry if that offends your sensibilities.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

You know, I looked at this thread and I thought "How much does a film usually drop in its second week?" Because I honestly didn't know.

Apparently, it's...about sixty percent. BvS [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=superman2015.htm] dropped 69%. Civil War [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=marvel2016.htm] dropped...59%? Okay, thought the gap between the two would be larger, what with everyone talking about how colossally BvS failed in its second week. X-Men Apocalypse [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=x-men2016.htm] seems to have a 65% drop. Haven't seen it; don't know what to make of that.

Deadpool! [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=deadpool2016.htm] Everyone loved Deadpool. Dropped 59%. Jason Bourne! [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=bourne5.htm] Uh, some people like him? Dropped 59%. Star Trek: Beyond [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=startrek2016.htm], which the internet told me was a flop, dropped 56%; I guess it wasn't making much to begin with.

Let's go back further. The Avengers [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=avengers11.htm] dropped 51% in its second week. That seems to be pretty good, actually; everything falls between 50-70%. Age of Ultron [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=avengers2.htm] is, uh, 58%. Same for Iron Man 3 [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=ironman3.htm], Marvel's other big billion-and-a-half hit.

X-Men: Days of Future Past [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=xmen2014.htm] got another 65% drop-off. The Wolverine [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=wolverine2.htm] dropped a totally average, at this point, 58%. First Class [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=xmenfirstclass.htm] did slightly better at 53%, as did Guardians of the Galaxy. [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=marvel2014a.htm]

So is "about 50-70%" just the amount that all films drop in their second week? It seems like - whoops [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=starwars7.htm]! Star Wars: The Force Awakens only dropped 33% in its second week. Well, it's Star Wars.

You know what? I don't think a ten percent difference in audience drop-off is all that much, really. Considering that the story after BvS came out was "WOAH YOU GUYS IT DROPPED HUGE", I was expecting a bigger gap. Like, if Star Wars and its 30% was the norm, then 69% would be dramatically poor. But it seems 50-70% is the norm, so 69% doesn't...well, it doesn't really seem that bad. It's on the wrong end of the scale, obviously, but it's not exactly a Biblical plague.

It's almost like the people writing the news jumped on the fact that there was a ten percent difference in BvS' second week box office, then immediately wrote the headline "BvS Tanks Hard! 69% Drop-Off!" with no context for that number whatsoever. Y'know, like they thought controversy fuelled page-views or whatever.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I am counting the days until WB swallow their pride and announce the real director's cut. I enjoyed Suicide Squad for what it was, but it's a frustrating experience because I can see there's maybe a much better, certainly more interesting movie in there trying to get out, and that is a movie I really want to see.

I've read comments and interviews from several of those involved (David Ayer, Margot Robbie) defending the edit that ended up on screens as a valid creative decision (rather than the test audience/focus group driven panic measure we all know it was) and that's fair enough - I don't expect them to potentially damage their own careers by going against the company line while the movie is still in theatres.

The problem with Suicide Squad is that everything that went wrong went wrong from the top down. It's the suits that need to go, but they're not going to fire themselves so I fully expect this slow motion catastrophe to continue until one of these things bumbs so badly it puts the entire studio at risk and forces change at the very top.

When you think about it the mabye it was the Suits that are to blame for how BvS ended up the way it was because I truly think it was gonna be a Man of Steel 2, but than the suits added Batman because in their panic at Man of Steel's box office they thought Superman alone cannot be a blockbuster seller.

Than they added Lex Luthor, than they added Wonder Woman, than they added Doomsday.....and so on.

I mean I could have sworn that this movie went through many changes because even I can say that Batman V Superman was not something built from the ground up, like I am certain that no one in the production thought having all this in the movie at the sametime.

 

[mduncan50]

You know, I looked at this thread and I thought "How much does a film usually drop in its second week?" Because I honestly didn't know.

Apparently, it's...about sixty percent. BvS [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=superman2015.htm] dropped 69%. Civil War [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=marvel2016.htm] dropped...59%? Okay, thought the gap between the two would be larger, what with everyone talking about how colossally BvS failed in its second week. X-Men Apocalypse [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=x-men2016.htm] seems to have a 65% drop. Haven't seen it; don't know what to make of that.

Deadpool! [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=deadpool2016.htm] Everyone loved Deadpool. Dropped 59%. Jason Bourne! [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=bourne5.htm] Uh, some people like him? Dropped 59%. Star Trek: Beyond [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=startrek2016.htm], which the internet told me was a flop, dropped 56%; I guess it wasn't making much to begin with.

Let's go back further. The Avengers [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=avengers11.htm] dropped 51% in its second week. That seems to be pretty good, actually; everything falls between 50-70%. Age of Ultron [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=avengers2.htm] is, uh, 58%. Same for Iron Man 3 [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=ironman3.htm], Marvel's other big billion-and-a-half hit.

X-Men: Days of Future Past [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=xmen2014.htm] got another 65% drop-off. The Wolverine [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=wolverine2.htm] dropped a totally average, at this point, 58%. First Class [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=xmenfirstclass.htm] did slightly better at 53%, as did Guardians of the Galaxy. [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=marvel2014a.htm]

So is "about 50-70%" just the amount that all films drop in their second week? It seems like - whoops [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=starwars7.htm]! Star Wars: The Force Awakens only dropped 33% in its second week. Well, it's Star Wars.

You know what? I don't think a ten percent difference in audience drop-off is all that much, really. Considering that the story after BvS came out was "WOAH YOU GUYS IT DROPPED HUGE", I was expecting a bigger gap. Like, if Star Wars and its 30% was the norm, then 69% would be dramatically poor. But it seems 50-70% is the norm, so 69% doesn't...well, it doesn't really seem that bad. It's on the wrong end of the scale, obviously, but it's not exactly a Biblical plague.

It's almost like the people writing the news jumped on the fact that there was a ten percent difference in BvS' second week box office, then immediately wrote the headline "BvS Tanks Hard! 69% Drop-Off!" with no context for that number whatsoever. Y'know, like they thought controversy fuelled page-views or whatever.

An average drop is usually between 50-60%, anything higher than that is usually because word of mouth was that it was bad, unless there was a huge release that came out that second weekend. And yes the 10% difference is a big one, in BvS's case, if it had dropped 59% instead of 69% the movie would have made an additional $17 million that weekend alone. Civil War and Dawn of Justice opened up within about $10 million of each other, but because of DoJ's steep drop off it made $300 million less.

 

[Saelune]

Technically similar to my last, but whatever, I'm changing my little forum phrase thingy, cause I actually really liked Suicide Squad, minus Joker anyways.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

To be fair, its a really poorly made movie with a stupid script, poor acting, and a plot that had more holes in it than a can of Spaghettios.
So good. I'm just sorry it made any money at all.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

To be fair, its a really poorly made movie with a stupid script, poor acting, and a plot that had more holes in it than a can of Spaghettios.
So good. I'm just sorry it made any money at all.

No offense but everyone just throws around the word "Plot Holes" without actually explaining what are the things makes the plot holes in the first place? And I have not seen the movie so I really don't care if I get spoiled.

 

[mduncan50]

To be fair, its a really poorly made movie with a stupid script, poor acting, and a plot that had more holes in it than a can of Spaghettios.
So good. I'm just sorry it made any money at all.

But tell us how you really feel! I imagine you're holding back in an effort to spare feelings.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

To be fair, its a really poorly made movie with a stupid script, poor acting, and a plot that had more holes in it than a can of Spaghettios.
So good. I'm just sorry it made any money at all.

No offense but everyone just throws around the word "Plot Holes" without actually explaining what are the things makes the plot holes in the first place? And I have not seen the movie so I really don't care if I get spoiled.

Fair enough, but I'll put it in spoilers anyway.

Spoiler

-The Enchantress goes rogue after creating her brother, but they never explain why she waited so long to do so when she had the power the entire time. Or how the US government that scoured her original burial site missed that she had a brother.
-Amanda Waller relocates her command bunker to whatever city. She then later has a conversation with Rick Flag where he reminds her it was a bad idea, and that he told her to evacuate earlier. Yet that scene isn't in the movie.
-They never explain why Deadshot suddenly takes a liking to Harely and spares her life even after being offered what he wanted from Waller to killer Harely.
-Deadshot says the reasons the zombies keep trying to capture Flag alive is because the enchantress is afraid of him, yet they never show that or mention it ever again. Its just a line that doesn't fit.
-The Squad's original helicopter they take into the city is shot down by bullets, but they never explain who shot them down. The big bad guys use magic, and the zombies don't get guns until they start to kill the Navy Seals.
-Joker leaves Harely to die in the car underwater without knowing Batman could save her, then goes on a rampage trying to get her back, then pushes her from a helicopter after he does. The movie implies its to save Harley after the helicopter is shot at, but the script has Joker doing it before they take fire because Harely wants to stay with the squad and they changed the order of the shot in post.
-Waller kills all the technicians in her command bunker because they weren't cleared to know about the Suicide Squad, yet they were hand-picked by herself and the US Government to be the staff of her Suicide Squad command bunker.
-Waller has full bios on all the Justice League members, including knowing that Bruce Wayne is Batman and yet still decides to create the Suicide Squad as her nation's go-to option to fight metahumans, despite the fact the Justice League already does.
-She picks what she calls the 'worst of the worst' as this super amazing squad, despite the fact they open the movie with Batman and the Flash easily beating and capturing all of them.
-Bruce Wayne agrees to offer political protection to Waller in exchange for information of the other Justice League members. Information he already has, and as was established in BvS Batman hates collateral damage and Waller's failed Suicide Squad caused thousands of deaths, including dozens of Navy Seals.
-The big mission of the Suicide Squad wasn't to stop Enchantress, it was to rescue Waller. At no point are they ever ordered to kill Enchantress. They just ended up having to do so to save Waller, but were perfectly willing to leave earlier, so Waller's initial reason to create the squad(to fight metahumans) isn't actually part of the movie.
-Enchantress says she's building a giant machine to destroy the world, but they never show anything like that. Just blue light and the occasional floating car. At no point does she actually ever construct anything.
-Harley cuts out the heart of the woman the Enchantress is possessing, and then Flag crushes the original heart from the Enchantress's mortal remains. The woman she was possessing then comes back to life, despite not having a heart.

I can go on. The whole movie is like that. Plot points and characterization is either completely random and never touched on again, or casually thrown away and we're just expected to roll with it.