With 67% Drop, Looks like Suicide Squad is following in BvS footsteps

[Saelune]

To be fair, its a really poorly made movie with a stupid script, poor acting, and a plot that had more holes in it than a can of Spaghettios.
So good. I'm just sorry it made any money at all.

No offense but everyone just throws around the word "Plot Holes" without actually explaining what are the things makes the plot holes in the first place? And I have not seen the movie so I really don't care if I get spoiled.

Fair enough, but I'll put it in spoilers anyway.

Spoiler

-The Enchantress goes rogue after creating her brother, but they never explain why she waited so long to do so when she had the power the entire time. Or how the US government that scoured her original burial site missed that she had a brother.
-Amanda Waller relocates her command bunker to whatever city. She then later has a conversation with Rick Flag where he reminds her it was a bad idea, and that he told her to evacuate earlier. Yet that scene isn't in the movie.
-They never explain why Deadshot suddenly takes a liking to Harely and spares her life even after being offered what he wanted from Waller to killer Harely.
-Deadshot says the reasons the zombies keep trying to capture Flag alive is because the enchantress is afraid of him, yet they never show that or mention it ever again. Its just a line that doesn't fit.
-The Squad's original helicopter they take into the city is shot down by bullets, but they never explain who shot them down. The big bad guys use magic, and the zombies don't get guns until they start to kill the Navy Seals.
-Joker leaves Harely to die in the car underwater without knowing Batman could save her, then goes on a rampage trying to get her back, then pushes her from a helicopter after he does. The movie implies its to save Harley after the helicopter is shot at, but the script has Joker doing it before they take fire because Harely wants to stay with the squad and they changed the order of the shot in post.
-Waller kills all the technicians in her command bunker because they weren't cleared to know about the Suicide Squad, yet they were hand-picked by herself and the US Government to be the staff of her Suicide Squad command bunker.
-Waller has full bios on all the Justice League members, including knowing that Bruce Wayne is Batman and yet still decides to create the Suicide Squad as her nation's go-to option to fight metahumans, despite the fact the Justice League already does.
-She picks what she calls the 'worst of the worst' as this super amazing squad, despite the fact they open the movie with Batman and the Flash easily beating and capturing all of them.
-Bruce Wayne agrees to offer political protection to Waller in exchange for information of the other Justice League members. Information he already has, and as was established in BvS Batman hates collateral damage and Waller's failed Suicide Squad caused thousands of deaths, including dozens of Navy Seals.
-The big mission of the Suicide Squad wasn't to stop Enchantress, it was to rescue Waller. At no point are they ever ordered to kill Enchantress. They just ended up having to do so to save Waller, but were perfectly willing to leave earlier, so Waller's initial reason to create the squad(to fight metahumans) isn't actually part of the movie.
-Enchantress says she's building a giant machine to destroy the world, but they never show anything like that. Just blue light and the occasional floating car. At no point does she actually ever construct anything.
-Harley cuts out the heart of the woman the Enchantress is possessing, and then Flag crushes the original heart from the Enchantress's mortal remains. The woman she was possessing then comes back to life, despite not having a heart.

I can go on. The whole movie is like that. Plot points and characterization is either completely random and never touched on again, or casually thrown away and we're just expected to roll with it.

Spoiler

1.She was locked in that thing until Moon released her. As for the brother, who is to say there was any evidence of a brother? That requires me knowing more about excavation to answer.
2. That's editing's fault.
3. That's one for you. He got into her way too fast, certainly too much to put above his daughter.
4. That's another for you. I honestly forgot.
5. Joker is crazy. Plus their love is an abusive relationship. He hurts her, then apologizes, then does it again and so on. Even in TAS he famously throws her out the window without any remorse. It was one of the few things they got right about The Joker.
6.*shrug* I don't know how DCU government clearance works.
7. She wants an anti-Justice League, incase The Justice League goes bad. She uses villains she hopes to control so they will do what she wants, not get all moral on her, and not be mourned if they have to be put down.
8. We don't know what the not so worst-of the worst is yet. I'm sure she would have used Doomsday if he was available and controllable.
9. That one I cant answer, cause I don't know. Maybe a point for you.
10. It was their first mission, and an unintended one at that, since Enchantress was supposed to be a member.
11. I believe that's a 4th point for you. They likely wanted something to seem menacing without rushing the team to stop it.
12. I was disappointed that she lived. I wanted the ending to be a bit more tragic, these are villains afterall, and Rick, though not a criminal, certainly lacks morals.

So that's 5, maybe 5 and a half points out of 12. Never said the movie was perfect, but what Hollywood film doesn't? Jason Bourne, even the good ones probably got far more.

 

[mduncan50]

To be fair, its a really poorly made movie with a stupid script, poor acting, and a plot that had more holes in it than a can of Spaghettios.
So good. I'm just sorry it made any money at all.

No offense but everyone just throws around the word "Plot Holes" without actually explaining what are the things makes the plot holes in the first place? And I have not seen the movie so I really don't care if I get spoiled.

Fair enough, but I'll put it in spoilers anyway.

Spoiler

-The Enchantress goes rogue after creating her brother, but they never explain why she waited so long to do so when she had the power the entire time. Or how the US government that scoured her original burial site missed that she had a brother.
-Amanda Waller relocates her command bunker to whatever city. She then later has a conversation with Rick Flag where he reminds her it was a bad idea, and that he told her to evacuate earlier. Yet that scene isn't in the movie.
-They never explain why Deadshot suddenly takes a liking to Harely and spares her life even after being offered what he wanted from Waller to killer Harely.
-Deadshot says the reasons the zombies keep trying to capture Flag alive is because the enchantress is afraid of him, yet they never show that or mention it ever again. Its just a line that doesn't fit.
-The Squad's original helicopter they take into the city is shot down by bullets, but they never explain who shot them down. The big bad guys use magic, and the zombies don't get guns until they start to kill the Navy Seals.
-Joker leaves Harely to die in the car underwater without knowing Batman could save her, then goes on a rampage trying to get her back, then pushes her from a helicopter after he does. The movie implies its to save Harley after the helicopter is shot at, but the script has Joker doing it before they take fire because Harely wants to stay with the squad and they changed the order of the shot in post.
-Waller kills all the technicians in her command bunker because they weren't cleared to know about the Suicide Squad, yet they were hand-picked by herself and the US Government to be the staff of her Suicide Squad command bunker.
-Waller has full bios on all the Justice League members, including knowing that Bruce Wayne is Batman and yet still decides to create the Suicide Squad as her nation's go-to option to fight metahumans, despite the fact the Justice League already does.
-She picks what she calls the 'worst of the worst' as this super amazing squad, despite the fact they open the movie with Batman and the Flash easily beating and capturing all of them.
-Bruce Wayne agrees to offer political protection to Waller in exchange for information of the other Justice League members. Information he already has, and as was established in BvS Batman hates collateral damage and Waller's failed Suicide Squad caused thousands of deaths, including dozens of Navy Seals.
-The big mission of the Suicide Squad wasn't to stop Enchantress, it was to rescue Waller. At no point are they ever ordered to kill Enchantress. They just ended up having to do so to save Waller, but were perfectly willing to leave earlier, so Waller's initial reason to create the squad(to fight metahumans) isn't actually part of the movie.
-Enchantress says she's building a giant machine to destroy the world, but they never show anything like that. Just blue light and the occasional floating car. At no point does she actually ever construct anything.
-Harley cuts out the heart of the woman the Enchantress is possessing, and then Flag crushes the original heart from the Enchantress's mortal remains. The woman she was possessing then comes back to life, despite not having a heart.

I can go on. The whole movie is like that. Plot points and characterization is either completely random and never touched on again, or casually thrown away and we're just expected to roll with it.

Spoiler

1.She was locked in that thing until Moon released her. As for the brother, who is to say there was any evidence of a brother? That requires me knowing more about excavation to answer.
2. That's editing's fault.
3. That's one for you. He got into her way too fast, certainly too much to put above his daughter.
4. That's another for you. I honestly forgot.
5. Joker is crazy. Plus their love is an abusive relationship. He hurts her, then apologizes, then does it again and so on. Even in TAS he famously throws her out the window without any remorse. It was one of the few things they got right about The Joker.
6.*shrug* I don't know how DCU government clearance works.
7. She wants an anti-Justice League, incase The Justice League goes bad. She uses villains she hopes to control so they will do what she wants, not get all moral on her, and not be mourned if they have to be put down.
8. We don't know what the not so worst-of the worst is yet. I'm sure she would have used Doomsday if he was available and controllable.
9. That one I cant answer, cause I don't know. Maybe a point for you.
10. It was their first mission, and an unintended one at that, since Enchantress was supposed to be a member.
11. I believe that's a 4th point for you. They likely wanted something to seem menacing without rushing the team to stop it.
12. I was disappointed that she lived. I wanted the ending to be a bit more tragic, these are villains afterall, and Rick, though not a criminal, certainly lacks morals.

So that's 5, maybe 5 and a half points out of 12. Never said the movie was perfect, but what Hollywood film doesn't? Jason Bourne, even the good ones probably got far more.

Sorry, but you've got to give him #2. Bad editing is part of what makes the movie what it is.

 

[twistedmic]

Fair enough, but I'll put it in spoilers anyway.

Spoiler

-The Enchantress goes rogue after creating her brother, but they never explain why she waited so long to do so when she had the power the entire time. Or how the US government that scoured her original burial site missed that she had a brother.
-Amanda Waller relocates her command bunker to whatever city. She then later has a conversation with Rick Flag where he reminds her it was a bad idea, and that he told her to evacuate earlier. Yet that scene isn't in the movie.
-They never explain why Deadshot suddenly takes a liking to Harely and spares her life even after being offered what he wanted from Waller to killer Harely.
-Deadshot says the reasons the zombies keep trying to capture Flag alive is because the enchantress is afraid of him, yet they never show that or mention it ever again. Its just a line that doesn't fit.
-The Squad's original helicopter they take into the city is shot down by bullets, but they never explain who shot them down. The big bad guys use magic, and the zombies don't get guns until they start to kill the Navy Seals.
-Joker leaves Harely to die in the car underwater without knowing Batman could save her, then goes on a rampage trying to get her back, then pushes her from a helicopter after he does. The movie implies its to save Harley after the helicopter is shot at, but the script has Joker doing it before they take fire because Harely wants to stay with the squad and they changed the order of the shot in post.
-Waller kills all the technicians in her command bunker because they weren't cleared to know about the Suicide Squad, yet they were hand-picked by herself and the US Government to be the staff of her Suicide Squad command bunker.
-Waller has full bios on all the Justice League members, including knowing that Bruce Wayne is Batman and yet still decides to create the Suicide Squad as her nation's go-to option to fight metahumans, despite the fact the Justice League already does.
-She picks what she calls the 'worst of the worst' as this super amazing squad, despite the fact they open the movie with Batman and the Flash easily beating and capturing all of them.
-Bruce Wayne agrees to offer political protection to Waller in exchange for information of the other Justice League members. Information he already has, and as was established in BvS Batman hates collateral damage and Waller's failed Suicide Squad caused thousands of deaths, including dozens of Navy Seals.
-The big mission of the Suicide Squad wasn't to stop Enchantress, it was to rescue Waller. At no point are they ever ordered to kill Enchantress. They just ended up having to do so to save Waller, but were perfectly willing to leave earlier, so Waller's initial reason to create the squad(to fight metahumans) isn't actually part of the movie.
-Enchantress says she's building a giant machine to destroy the world, but they never show anything like that. Just blue light and the occasional floating car. At no point does she actually ever construct anything.
-Harley cuts out the heart of the woman the Enchantress is possessing, and then Flag crushes the original heart from the Enchantress's mortal remains. The woman she was possessing then comes back to life, despite not having a heart.

I can go on. The whole movie is like that. Plot points and characterization is either completely random and never touched on again, or casually thrown away and we're just expected to roll with it.

Spoiler

1. Who's to say that Waller didn't find the jar with Enchantress' brother in the cave and hid it so she'd have a secondary control over Enchantress?
2. Not showing every communication between two characters does not make a plot hole.
3. There are several reasons why he wouldn't kill Harley. He explicitly said he doesn't kill women and children. He clearly formed a bond of some sort with Harley during the mission. He may have thought of what his daughter would have wanted him to do in that situation. Maybe he knew he couldn't live with himself if custody of his daughter was bought with Harley's blood. Hell, he could have missed on purpose just to piss off Waller.
4 Didn't they head straight for Enchantress after making this realization? And wasn't this realization after Flag admitted that he was involved with Enchantress' host? Even if the answer to both questions is no, it doesn't contradict anything previously established within the movie.
5. It is entirely possible that the bad guys did have guns and used them to shot down the first helicopter, then used unarmed ground troops to try and capture Flag. Plus it wasn't explicitly stated or shown that they did not have guns before capturing the SEALS/Special Forces
6. The Joker cared more about his own skin than Harley's life, then felt bad/lonely afterwards. Changing the order of the shot, and diverting from the original script, did not contradict anything shown or stated in the movie.
7. Waller was covering her ass. She fucked up big when Enchantress got loose and released her brother. Once the hard drives in the bunker were wiped, the only people who knew the details of what happened in the city (and who could be held responsible for it) were the techs, the Squad and Waller. Waller had complete control of the Squad (Flag included) and would not incriminate herself. The Techs were the only wild card in that situation and she removed said wild card. Plus Waller is a cold and ruthless person firmly invested in her own self-interest.
8. The Justice League hasn't been formed yet, and they are not under government control. The Justice League could refuse anything that Waller told/asked them to do and would ask questions that she did not want to answer. With the Squad they were under government control, they could not refuse any order she gave them and survive, and they would not ask questions (if they wanted to live). Plus it is entirely possible that the Squad had a secondary purpose of being Waller's personal Black Ops force.
9. Enchantress was under her (supposed) control, Diablo turned himself in, Deadshot effectively let himself get arrested (he could have shot Batman in the face and escaped. Even if they were captured by Batman and the Flash, all members of the Squad were dangerous and seasoned criminals and it doesn't mean other metahumans would capture or defeat them as easily.
10. I didn't see the mid/end credits scene so I can't really comment on this one.
11. Waller was trying to save her own ass, again.
12. Enchantress said weapon not machine. Enchantress built a weapon and started using it on humans until it was destroyed.
13. Enchantress got her original (mummified) heart back and replaced it. Harley cut out Enchantress' heart, not her the heart of her host. And the host (June Moon) surviving can be chalked up to magic, which doesn't have to obey physics or real-world 'laws'.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Didn't both Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad both break some pre-order ticket records?

Seems like something about DC movies compels people to jump in as soon as possible. Wonder why that it.

 

[Redd the Sock]

It's been said above but I'll repeat it: it seems movies dropping 50 - 70% of their first week's take seems to be the new normal, regardless of the quality of the movie. It\s a medium where you either have to see it now, or you wait 3 months for it to come home, with the cost of going so high most don't hit the same movie twice. It's less a sign that the dceu is doomed to fail, but movies need to adjust their expectations, release plans,and a lot of other factors that are no longer valid in projecting what will come from a movie. It might be the point where the opening 2 weeks is all you get anymore.

 

[Zhukov]

These movie box office threads always make me wish someone who knew what the hell they were talking about would show up and explain everything in a calm, authoritative voice.

 

[Queen Michael]

Look, here's the thing: I went to see Suicide Squad April 3, the day of the premiere. I picked a noon showing, figuring nobody would go see it at that time of day.

The theater was packed. At noon on a Wednesday.

So yeah, it kinda figures that fewer people are watching it now, since everybody went to see it the first week.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

An average drop is usually between 50-60%, anything higher than that is usually because word of mouth was that it was bad, unless there was a huge release that came out that second weekend. And yes the 10% difference is a big one, in BvS's case, if it had dropped 59% instead of 69% the movie would have made an additional $17 million that weekend alone. Civil War and Dawn of Justice opened up within about $10 million of each other, but because of DoJ's steep drop off it made $300 million less.

I think the dominant media narrative - that WB/DC's movies have successful first weeks and catastrophic downturns in the second - is misleading. And this forum thread, and the post I just quoted, are both misleading, in fact.

I put everything in spoiler tags because honest, it's a rant, and I thought thrice about even posting anything. But I think it's important to reinforce the fact that nobody - not me, not critics, not aggregators, not the Internet, not Hollywood - really knows what's going on with these films, or how to tell if one's a success. There's way too many factors boiling around in there to sum it up with just a box office gross.

Spoiler: RANT WARNING

BvS didn't make $300 million less than Civil War on the basis of its "steep" drop-off. The 69% number we're seeing and which everyone reports on is the domestic drop-off. And BvS' total domestic take, at the end of the day, was only $80 million behind Civil War, not $300 million. That's what that ten-percent difference equates to. It's still $80 million - I'm not arguing that BvS secretly outdid Civil War or anything - but it's not a complete clusterfuck, and it's not $300 million.

"Where's the other $220 million difference?" China [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=superman2015.htm], apparently. More specifically, BvS's international box office fell a good $200 million behind that of Civil War. Asia and Russia both seem to hate it, China exceptionally so. BvS is like a reverse Warcraft; it did perfectly well domestically - below Marvel's gold standard but well above other comic franchises such as X-Men - and then tanked in China.

Why? I don't think BvS is the kind of film that would do well in China or in any non-Anglophone country. It's plot-heavy, laden with comic book references that only a fan is going to get, and surprisingly dark, both visually and tonally. Marvel's films - when they're not pandering directly [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39m85puOQok] to the Chinese audience - seem to translate better; there's an evil robot, he wants to drop a rock on the world, now the bright-red robot and the guy dressed as America are fighting all the other, smaller robots. Marvel seems to have a better balance between giving the fans what they want and giving China a movie that translates easy enough. Why isn't that the story people are reporting?

And this whole obsession with box office numbers is, in the end, kind of pointless rumour-mongering because it turns out films generally [https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/2rss6d/how_much_money_do_movies_usually_make_off_of/] make $1.75 in domestic home media profits for every $1 in box office. Batman v Superman can expect another half a billion dollars in revenue trickling in through home media over the next few years.

Again, neither BvS or Suicide Squad knocked it out of the park like the Avengers films seem to always do. But Suicide Squad has already passed $450 million dollars. Rule of thumb is that films need 2 to 3 times their production budget in box office to translate into a profit for the studio - that's to account for ticket return percentages and marketing budgets. Suicide Squad has already hit that mark.

But the online media's myopic focus on the box office take, combined with misleading [http://www.polygon.com/2016/8/13/12467104/suicide-squad-box-office-performance] reporting [http://mashable.com/2016/08/14/suicide-squad-sausage-party-box-office/#UEPvX9qxI8qT] on the subject, creates and reinforces a completely inaccurate perception of how much money these films actually fucking make, pardon my French. They take some slightly-below-average percentages, throw in headline words like "nosedive" and "plunge", and start a fanboy war without bothering to do the basic fucking research that I just did for a forum post.

tl;dr - You want to know why the story seems so similar between BvS and Suicide Squad? It's because people are reporting the same story.

 

[Saetha]

You know, I looked at this thread and I thought "How much does a film usually drop in its second week?" Because I honestly didn't know.

Apparently, it's...about sixty percent. BvS [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=superman2015.htm] dropped 69%. Civil War [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=marvel2016.htm] dropped...59%? Okay, thought the gap between the two would be larger, what with everyone talking about how colossally BvS failed in its second week. X-Men Apocalypse [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=x-men2016.htm] seems to have a 65% drop. Haven't seen it; don't know what to make of that.

Deadpool! [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=deadpool2016.htm] Everyone loved Deadpool. Dropped 59%. Jason Bourne! [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=bourne5.htm] Uh, some people like him? Dropped 59%. Star Trek: Beyond [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=startrek2016.htm], which the internet told me was a flop, dropped 56%; I guess it wasn't making much to begin with.

Let's go back further. The Avengers [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=avengers11.htm] dropped 51% in its second week. That seems to be pretty good, actually; everything falls between 50-70%. Age of Ultron [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=avengers2.htm] is, uh, 58%. Same for Iron Man 3 [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=ironman3.htm], Marvel's other big billion-and-a-half hit.

X-Men: Days of Future Past [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=xmen2014.htm] got another 65% drop-off. The Wolverine [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=wolverine2.htm] dropped a totally average, at this point, 58%. First Class [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=xmenfirstclass.htm] did slightly better at 53%, as did Guardians of the Galaxy. [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=marvel2014a.htm]

So is "about 50-70%" just the amount that all films drop in their second week? It seems like - whoops [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=starwars7.htm]! Star Wars: The Force Awakens only dropped 33% in its second week. Well, it's Star Wars.

You know what? I don't think a ten percent difference in audience drop-off is all that much, really. Considering that the story after BvS came out was "WOAH YOU GUYS IT DROPPED HUGE", I was expecting a bigger gap. Like, if Star Wars and its 30% was the norm, then 69% would be dramatically poor. But it seems 50-70% is the norm, so 69% doesn't...well, it doesn't really seem that bad. It's on the wrong end of the scale, obviously, but it's not exactly a Biblical plague.

It's almost like the people writing the news jumped on the fact that there was a ten percent difference in BvS' second week box office, then immediately wrote the headline "BvS Tanks Hard! 69% Drop-Off!" with no context for that number whatsoever. Y'know, like they thought controversy fuelled page-views or whatever.

Oh sure, the money they lost might not be out of the norm, but you know what else they lost? The goodwill of the general internet community. And can you put a price on that?

...You probably can, and that price is probably three nickels and a pair of old shoes, but still! WB is poorer for losing it.

 

[Chanticoblues]

People seem oddly fascinated by how much money multi-million dollar films from the studios can make.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I don't even know that I have a point here.

Gloating? You point and tsk-tsk every time a new DC movie doesn't make as much as you say it should.

Gloating would imply that I am happy about what is happening with DC movies

It totally would if that's what the word meant[footnote]It doesn't.[/footnote].

 

[Vanilla ISIS]

It's doing better than Guardians of the Galaxy so I think WB has nothing to worry about.

 

[omega 616]

It's doing better than Guardians of the Galaxy so I think WB has nothing to worry about.

Well that's not surprising ... name the biggest star in guardians (not just a voice)? Some meat head from WWE. Biggest star in suicide squad? Will Smith.

Name the biggest character in Guardians? A tree and if you asked anybody before that film, the trees name is, they wouldn't have a clue! Biggest character in Suicide squad? Batman? Joker? Either way it's a character people know.

I went to watch the film and knew that most people in the theater had no clue who deadshot, diablo etc were ... shit, I didn't know some dude just used fucking boomerangs as weapons. The deepest knowledge I had was Amanda Waller is a ****. I assume most of them were there 'cos Will Smith is dreamy.

Also girls seem to love the Harley/joker relationship.

So, it makes sense.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Full disclaimer: I have not, nor will I see Suicide Squad in theaters. I do not hate DC, I love DC, and I refuse to keep giving WB any more of my money until they start making decent movies.

Yet you can't possibly know if it's a decent movie or not without seeing it.

So the correct statement would be that you refuse to give WB money until they release what you ASSUME is a decent movie.

Or, yah know... he can put his trust in critics, online metrics, and real life friends.

That's what I've done. And all three told me the same exact thing - Save some gas, some money, and some time and just rewatch Assault on Arkham.

Also girls seem to love the Harley/joker relationship.

Bonnie and Clyde syndrome is weird, isn't it?

 

[mduncan50]

Full disclaimer: I have not, nor will I see Suicide Squad in theaters. I do not hate DC, I love DC, and I refuse to keep giving WB any more of my money until they start making decent movies.

Yet you can't possibly know if it's a decent movie or not without seeing it.

So the correct statement would be that you refuse to give WB money until they release what you ASSUME is a decent movie.

I'm always happy to give it a watch for free on Netflix when it comes there, and judge it then. But I've given them too much money for crap movies recently.

 

[Liljumpman]

Full disclaimer: I have not, nor will I see Suicide Squad in theaters. I do not hate DC, I love DC, and I refuse to keep giving WB any more of my money until they start making decent movies.

Yet you can't possibly know if it's a decent movie or not without seeing it.

So the correct statement would be that you refuse to give WB money until they release what you ASSUME is a decent movie.

Or, yah know... he can put his trust in critics, online metrics, and real life friends.

That's what I've done. And all three told me the same exact thing - Save some gas, some money, and some time and just rewatch Assault on Arkham.

"I'm not going to formulate my own opinion, I just assimilate my opinion to that of my peers, and then parrot what they say" - AccursedTheory 2016.

Ignoring the fact that the reviews are mixed, not negative. Have you considered the fact that you are not your friends? And that, as an individual, you have the capacity to have your own opinions on things, and that you really should exercise that ability.

I mean, I'm not being rude. You literally can't have an opinion based on what other people are saying. You're literally just echoing the opinions of your friends. And shit, god forbid if your friends are doing the same.

Christ, I mean, none of us should have friends who we agree with on 100% of issues. It's healthy to have disagreements with friends, even at least sometimes. That's what promotes healthy discussion.

I honestly can't see any conceivable reasoning as to why you're stating "Critics said it was bad so I'm saying it's bad" as some kind of intellectual reasoning.

Well I wish I had listened to my friends and critics, because they told me it was ass but I went to see it anyway.

It was ass.

Wew.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

I have the same thoughts I had with Batman V Superman; I'll see it on Redbox when it comes out.

I seem to be one of only five people who actually liked Man of Steel so I feel like I'm going to enjoy BvS more than the average person. Suicide Squad has me a bit more worried that I won't like it based on what I've heard but again, I'll judge for myself once they pop out of Redbox.

Man of Steel is the best Superman movie IMO; it's really just between Superman II and Man of Steel due to the stupid spin the world backwards ending of the 1st Superman and the other movies just sucking. Plus, I really like Zack Snyder's movies. With that said, BvS is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Literally no plot points or character motivations make sense. Everything is so very contrived to Lois's investigation of a bullet to the creation of the final villain. And I saw the movie opening night without reading reviews or watching videos. Everything you've heard, read, or watched about BvS is not exaggerated in any way, it's that bad. I don't regret seeing it either because the hours of fun my friends and I had discussing everything wrong with the movie was well worth it. I even told people to go see it just for that. A co-worker went with her sons to see it after telling her you gotta see even though it's so bad and her sons spent the whole weekend talking about how bad it was.

 

[mduncan50]

Well I wish I had listened to my friends and critics, because they told me it was ass but I went to see it anyway.

It was ass.

Wew.

At least you watched it to come to the conclusion by yourself.

As I said before, it's fair enough if you don't watch a movie based on other people's suggestions. But people shouldn't try to have an opinion on the quality of the movie when they haven't done so, because it's literally impossible for them to have one.

Despite what your parents told you as a child, unless you actually touch the stove while it's on, it is literally impossible to have an opinion as to whether or not it is hot? Regardless, I never said I had an opinion of the quality of this movie. I never said it was good/meh/terrible. I simply will not continue to pay $30-50 for a night out to see DCEU movies when the two I have seen are crap, and I'm neither seen nor heard anything to make me feel that Suicide Squad will be any different. I'm happy to give it a try on Netflix when it comes out, and if I actually find myself enjoying it, then maybe I will change my stance when Wonder Woman comes out.