With Zero Punctuation puttering--will the Escapist survive?

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Korolev

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ZP lost its Zing a long time ago. It's still interesting to watch, and I do watch it, but I'm not going to pretend that I laugh much at it anymore. I do smile at the jokes, though. Sometimes. It's hard to maintain interest over so many years and with so strict a formula.

Is the Escapist "dying"? Well, I do remember that it had run into serious financial strife about a year or so ago. I think that's mostly died down, however. As for its future - I don't know. I brought a publisher's subscription last year, mostly out of pity, but I didn't buy one this year. Honestly, there's nothing on this site that really draws me in that much. It's mostly fine, but it lacks the... well, I don't know what it lacks, but it lacks something.
 

userwhoquitthesite

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Copper Zen said:
Like many if not most Escapists I first came to this site because someone I knew had drawn my attention to Zero Punctuation. After watching ZP here for years (lurking) I started paying attention to the rest of the site and joined up late last July.

But here's the thing: Yahtzee's stuff is still entertaining but it hasn't had the zing it did years ago. Fair enough. Yahtzee's run has been more creative and funnier and it has gone on much longer than most TV series.

Now they're having write ins: [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/121401-Help-Choose-Which-Indie-Speed-Run-Games-We-Send-to-Yahtzee?utm_source=latest&utm_medium=index_carousel&utm_campaign=all]. That's never a good sign. Hopefully it's just a New Year thing but I've seen this sort of "audience participation" invitation pop up usually when a show has Jumped the Shark. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JumpingTheShark]

With the massive draw that ZP has been for the Escapist it's a reflex to wonder if ZP's slowly going downhill could take the site with it.

On the other hand the site has had time to develop and mature. It has been quoted in media everywhere from Cracked.com to WoW's Panderia trailer to Scientific American (which I have a subscription to--I grinned when I saw the Escapist mentioned there). It's got a large body of loyal members. Heck, I even jumped the broomstick and spent $20.00 to join the PubClub recently.

What do you think about ZP's slow decline and the Escapist's development/survival?
I don't know where this is coming from: That's just how the site works. They have a good amount of decent content, then a bunch of crap, then good stuff again. As for Yahtzee, he did get soggy a while back, but he's actually fun again (and appears to actually be playing the games he reviews. There were some there that I don't believe he did, as bad as it is to say)
 

Korolev

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TheMagicLemur said:
CrossLOPER said:
TheMagicLemur said:
Historically, people of all colors have been dicks to people of all colors.

As for modern military shooters, you are giving WAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more thought to those games than the developers did.
Yes, but not quite on the massive bloody scale that white Europeans (And American descendants of said Europeans) have. Yes, I'm aware that Africans practiced slavery before white people got involved, and that they sold their captured rivals to whites, but let's face it; white people in the past few centuries created institutionalized racism on a scale fairly unprecedented by others.
Well.... in a way you are right. The colonialist racism and the racism practiced by whites tends to have a greater impact than racism practiced by other peoples, but that's due to differences in power, not in hatred. I'm half chinese, and I've been to China and I've spoken to Chinese relatives. I can tell you full well that racism against black people is extremely alive and well in China - it just doesn't get expressed that often because there aren't that many black people in China. China's racism against minorities (anyone who isn't Han) and Tibetans and the Uighers is quite legendary.

It's easy to think that somehow white people are "more racist" than other peoples. They're not. It's just that their racism tends to have more overt consequences. Go to Saudi Arabia, where Sri Lankan labourers are treated as slaves. Go to the Congo where they will cut you up if they think your nose is too narrow or too wide, depending on what group gets you. Go to Japan where descendants of Korean immigrants, despite having lived in Japan all their lives and speak only Japanese, are treated by the government as aliens and are denied rights. Japan, in fact, is legendarily racist. You might not think so due to the fact that they have blonde people in their anime and video games, but you just try to live there and the racism comes out full force.

I'm not saying that white people aren't racist. As someone who is half-chinese and lives in a white majority nation with a chinese mother, I've seen and experienced racism (not so much against me because I look more caucasian than asian, but my brother has gotten a lot of racism directed against him). I know perfectly well of the horrors of the British in India and Africa.

But white people are no "more" racist. In fact, compared to Japan and China (which I've lived in, for a time), I see less racism in Australia and England than I do in China, where if you're not Han or White or Very Rich, you are treated like absolute crap. In England, a black person can become (and has become) an MP or a member of cabinent. In America, we have a black president in a nation where the majority of people are white. In Australia, we a senator and a cabinent member who is half-chinese like me. Can you IMAGINE, even for a second, of a something similar happening in China? Or Japan? Or Korea? Or Laos? Or Vietnam? Or Saudi Arabia? Or Yemen? Or Turkey? How likely is it that, in their present forms, they'd ever accept Black people living in their nations?

Again, that's not to excuse the racism done by whites. Nothing can excuse that. But if you think that other races are even slightly less racist that Caucasian people, buddy, you're wrong. The other races are just as racist as Caucasians. It just has less of an impact than White racism. But the sentiment is no different. They're not less bigoted. It's just that their bigotry isn't backed by the same level of power.
 

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You know how long people have been saying ZP is in decline?

Go ahead, take a guess.

Hint: the show's been around since 2007.
What is the week the 2nd episode premiered, Alex?
 

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DJjaffacake said:
I get what you mean, when I go back and watch old ZP episodes the newer ones feel much less entertaining in comparison, but the site won't die just because one contributor, even the most well known one, isn't as good as he used to be.
Oddly enough I find his recent stuff a lot funnier.

I don't agree with him on several of his points on game design. But he presents his opinion in a very snarky way and I appreciate that. It's one of the few review shows that makes me burst out laughing from time to time.
 

itsmeyouidiot

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I'm glad to see Zero Punctuation's popularity faltering. Yahtzee is the reason why the Escapist is full of assholes who hate everything that I enjoy.
 

Nazulu

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I don't believe there has been a decline in quality, there has been some slight changes but nothing drastic.

As for the large amount of posts, I think it's because there are many people who have moved on to other shows or have figured out it's not for them. All the popular vids were either pissing on fanboy's or controversial don't forget. People are just used to Yahtzee I believe. Well not all. You see the occasional hypocrite saying that Yahtzee whines about every thing.

Also, it could be possible that many people are watching ZP vids on other websites.
 

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Copper Zen said:
Like many if not most Escapists I first came to this site because someone I knew had drawn my attention to Zero Punctuation. After watching ZP here for years (lurking) I started paying attention to the rest of the site and joined up late last July.

But here's the thing: Yahtzee's stuff is still entertaining but it hasn't had the zing it did years ago. Fair enough. Yahtzee's run has been more creative and funnier and it has gone on much longer than most TV series.

Now they're having write ins: [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/121401-Help-Choose-Which-Indie-Speed-Run-Games-We-Send-to-Yahtzee?utm_source=latest&utm_medium=index_carousel&utm_campaign=all]. That's never a good sign. Hopefully it's just a New Year thing but I've seen this sort of "audience participation" invitation pop up usually when a show has Jumped the Shark. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JumpingTheShark]

With the massive draw that ZP has been for the Escapist it's a reflex to wonder if ZP's slowly going downhill could take the site with it.

On the other hand the site has had time to develop and mature. It has been quoted in media everywhere from Cracked.com to WoW's Panderia trailer to Scientific American (which I have a subscription to--I grinned when I saw the Escapist mentioned there). It's got a large body of loyal members. Heck, I even jumped the broomstick and spent $20.00 to join the PubClub recently.

What do you think about ZP's slow decline and the Escapist's development/survival?
I think you are confusing 'slow decline' with 'ZP's usual antics'. It's like a brand new show that you love to watch, but after a while you get used to the jokes. They are still funny, but you are used to the jokes.

And you would probably find that the write-ins are a cave due to pressure by his ravenous fanbase to play more indie games.

Personally I don't think Yahtzee or the Escapist are going anywhere anythime soon
 

Slycne

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Copper Zen said:
Now they're having write ins: [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/121401-Help-Choose-Which-Indie-Speed-Run-Games-We-Send-to-Yahtzee?utm_source=latest&utm_medium=index_carousel&utm_campaign=all]. That's never a good sign. Hopefully it's just a New Year thing but I've seen this sort of "audience participation" invitation pop up usually when a show has Jumped the Shark. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JumpingTheShark]
So then we actually jumped the shark back in 2009 when we did this before...? Dragon Age: Origins [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/96131-Stonking-Great-Game-Winner-Announced].
 

Zeldias

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It's a shtick, as someone else said; it's just gotten old is all. I find it insightful and so on, still, though. Kinda like Rooster Teeth's Rage Quit; funny still, but I'm really familiar with the humor already so it's not gonna be as funny. I wonder if he has to keep doing them as he is? I'd be interested in hearing something a little more Extra Punctuations-esque from him; more thinking about things in gaming and culture and stuff like that.

To the person who said he's racist against whites; go swallow nails.
 

Something Amyss

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OhJohnNo said:
ZP's slow decline? What slow decline? I enjoy it now as much as ever.
People have been claiming Yahtzee was going downhill since...Well, since his Youtube days. It's the normal state of things here and elsewhere.

I'm also pretty sure the Escapist has done user participation before without shark jumping, so this seems to be knee-jerking.
 

RJ 17

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ZP has been in decline? Coulda fooled me...seems like all his videos always end up with a truck-load of comments, and then there's all the uncounted non-members that come here just to watch it. Which brings up the point that while some viewers may leave, more will be "discovering" it and become fans, watch all the episodes in a day or two, then eagerly await new ones.

Oh wait, your entire statement was based purely on your own opinion. Then I guess all I have to say is "You're wrong."
 

Basement Cat

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Slycne said:
Copper Zen said:
Now they're having write ins: [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/121401-Help-Choose-Which-Indie-Speed-Run-Games-We-Send-to-Yahtzee?utm_source=latest&utm_medium=index_carousel&utm_campaign=all]. That's never a good sign. Hopefully it's just a New Year thing but I've seen this sort of "audience participation" invitation pop up usually when a show has Jumped the Shark. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JumpingTheShark]
So then we actually jumped the shark back in 2009 when we did this before...? Dragon Age: Origins [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/96131-Stonking-Great-Game-Winner-Announced].
Specifically I was thinking of Hee Haw, actually. :)

You remember that VERY old show? It's the one that they replaced the original Star Trek series with, I think. I remember my late father talking about the show declining and then rolling his eyes when the show's producers (or whoever) started inviting the public to write in...I wish I was making this up..."Knock-knock jokes."








*shudders*

The horror...the horror...
 

Bara_no_Hime

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Copper Zen said:
What do you think about ZP's slow decline and the Escapist's development/survival?
**yawn**

This thread again. I guess it's about due - it's been a few months since the last one. Anyway...

OP: Your premiss is faulty.

People were saying that ZP had jumped the shark back when he got his own THEME MUSIC. You aren't the first to think so, you won't be the last to think so.

And no one cares. ZP just keeps getting more popular.

BTW, try the Search Bar. You can read the many threads who have said the same basic thing you just did YEARS ago and who were just as wrong.
 

Olas

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Yahtzee's been doing it for what? Five years now? Six? And it feels like he platooed years ago, if he's becoming less popular I doubt it's because he's suddenly getting worse all of a sudden. In fact, I feel like I have to commend him for keeping it up this long, his reviews require more thought and creativity than most and he doesn't act like he's phoning it in.
 

Mylinkay Asdara

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CrossLOPER said:
I started a new thread here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.398198-Zero-Punctuation-Performance-Report-28k-warning#16278932

But here are all the resources. I was intending to expand a bit on the other shows I mentioned, but I am a bit tired at the moment.


Tie to link ZP and the escapist. Look at the search terms.

Graph with notable peaks:
List with averages:

Main body from post:

The data collected shows a dramatic climb from ZP's debut in August 2007, followed by a leveling off in early 2009. The show maintained a plateau until 2011. The last major peak over 800 was the Monster Hunter Tri episode which aired on 26 May 2010. Viewer ship for latter 2010 saw a drop, where video posts began to drop below 200. As 2011 progressed, post count fell by ~35.27% from the previous year. By the end of 2012, the average post count fell again by another ~40%. The latter 2012 saw a mild resurgence with a single outlier peak of 523 on 28th November, 2012 with the Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 episode. It should be noted that this episode contained the "entitlement fiasco". At 145, the post count average is the lowest it has ever been.

Although ZP is still very popular compared to other Escapist projects, Jimquisition and Moviebob have been steadily gaining ground*, though both lack the massive popularity that ZP enjoyed 2007-2010 which ultimately boosted the popularity and standing of The Escapist. ZP is still suffering a decline, which is entering its third year. It is unlikely that ZP will suffer further losses, though it is unlikely to regain any of its former glory any time soon.

*As these shows rose in popularity, ZP suffered losses.

Personally, while I do not think that ZP is dead, I personally thing that the series has suffered a bit of stagnation and abandoned some of the things that made it funny. The original videos lacked emotion and were incredibly dry in their humor. The tone has shifted from that dry tone to lots of shouting and smarm. The loss of the custom music, though unavoidable, made the series more generic. I also feel that ZP is following a very strict formula that made the series somewhat more bland. ZP has a history of touching tangents such as Webcomics and demos and it does not seem to do that anymore. I realize that there is likely a time limit and a weekly episode schedule is tight for creative work, but ZP seems to be lacking the tang it once had.
Data is nice, but requires interpretation. It could be that people, liking other shows at the Escapist, became regulars and no longer needed to search for ZP, having perhaps bookmarked a page or folks simply following the new format - which makes all Features much easier to navigate to from the main page without a search.

Did you also observe any correspondence between dips in the viewership and national holidays in the major nations that comprise Escapist membership? I know a great many viewers must become rather taxed during busy times in real life and forget to keep up with web/tv and other series.

Explore potential links to weak industry offerings which would limit the interest in any reviews, satircal or otherwise - perhaps a comparison to other popular reviewer numbers for the same titles, etc?

I'm only asking because you seem to be serious about your assertions and put in some effort to support them. There's more you could be doing to become more convincing about your point, or you might find further efforts change your current hypothesis.

Oh - and I think the low postings have more to do with the rules about minimum content posts than with a lack of enthusiasm to comment. People think three times before posting something like "too right" or "yup" etc. these days to merely check-in that they watched the show. Facebook comments below content might be something to look at to search for an off-set, but there are plenty of ZP watchers here who do not Facebook.
 

Basement Cat

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Kanatatsu said:
The Escapist's decline will be because of its offensively antagonistic forum moderators, not anything ZP-related.
I like the Mods. The Mods have been nice to me. The Mods are our friends.

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Bara_no_Hime said:
According to the statistics some folks have presented, no, ZP isn't getting any more popular.

My question, however, was how does/would ZP's SLOW decline effect the Escapist's chances of survival.