Wolfenstien: The New Colossus first review

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Seth Carter said:
For some gameplay related commentary.

The run and gun nature is sadly held back by the need to manually collect the health/armor pickups. While this facilitates a theoretical tactical usage of the health overcharge mechanic, theres no reason to not pick up armor ever. That limited tactical option isn't a particularly impressive one, since you'd need foreknowledge of an upcoming enemy anyways.

This design choice becomes even more obnoxious because they picking up the packs and reload is bound to the same control. So while you're running through dual wielding shotguns and mowing down Nazis, trying to pick up a spat of health ends up stopping your shooting (fortunately not you entirely, BJ can reload while running), and requiring extra presses just to get the pickup.
Is it really true that it is way more cutscene than The New Order?
 

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Sometimes I wonder if people on these forums even enjoys playing video games.
I still do, but I gotta be careful about what I enjoy. SJW's and (more often) our subculture's Gatekeepers don't want me enjoying certain titles.
Sounds like a you problem.

altnameJag said:
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How are you being lied to when you straight gameplay footage is shown?
I don't have a problem with it when the Devs are honest. Best way to keep Devs honest is to have unaffiliated people look at the final product. Companies have proven they're more than willing to be hella dishonest in presenting preview content.

As most of the sales of a game happen in its first week, and a huge proportion of that on launch day, publishers not allowing time for reviews, or flat out having a review embargo past launch, is a gigantic red flag.

Do I need to pull out my big book 'o dishonest publishers, or can I rest my case on the term "Bullshot" being coined 12 years ago?
What do bullshots have to do with gameplay? I watch for gameplay, not how good a game looks. Plus animations are the most important thing for me with regards to graphics and you can't fake that. Outside of Aliens Colonial Marines, I don't recall any game that tried faking gameplay. Open world games graphical quality does indeed change over development, it's not always being dishonest. You can "enable" those E3 Watch Dogs graphics on the PC version, the devs just couldn't get the game running properly with those graphics and had to scale them down. Plus, after the delay, Ubisoft showed final release graphics in videos leading up to the actual release date.

What game had a post-launch review embargo?
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
altnameJag said:
don't have a problem with it when the Devs are honest. Best way to keep Devs honest is to have unaffiliated people look at the final product. Companies have proven they're more than willing to be hella dishonest in presenting preview content.

As most of the sales of a game happen in its first week, and a huge proportion of that on launch day, publishers not allowing time for reviews, or flat out having a review embargo past launch, is a gigantic red flag.

Do I need to pull out my big book 'o dishonest publishers, or can I rest my case on the term "Bullshot" being coined 12 years ago?
What do bullshots have to do with gameplay? I watch for gameplay, not how good a game looks. Plus animations are the most important thing for me with regards to graphics and you can't fake that. Outside of Aliens Colonial Marines, I don't recall any game that tried faking gameplay.
Shadow of Mordor, which I already brought up.

Unless you think you're getting an accurate view of gameplay when the people playing aren't allowed to let you see bugs, or let you know if the controls feel janky, or any number of things. That was actively illegal.
What game had a post-launch review embargo?
Famously, Assassin's Creed Unity and Sonic Boom. Lots more, though, like Sonic Boom, they tend to be terrible. Hence the "don't allow people to know it's terrible on launch day" plan. Which is inherently anti-consumer, which is why publishers that try it don't get my money. They won't change if you complain but still give them your money.
 

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Seth Carter said:
Reddits kind of buzzed around that. One is that until partway through the game, your health is capped at 50 (and anything above is overcharge). Since it used to be 100, you can have a very poor idea of your survivability, as anything over 50 is bleeding away whether you get shot or not.
That one is a major annoyance. I get that in the wheelchair sequence B.J. would be weak with a health cap, but once you get the powersuit that should over and done with. It makes no sense that you're wearing the powersuit yet you're as vulnerable as an over ripe melon. I mean, this is the suit that Caroline used to stomp a panzerhund, but now it's like you're wearing tissuepaper. So much for Da'at Yichud technology.
 

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PurplePonyArcade said:
Is it really true that it is way more cutscene than The New Order?
Probably.I'd say they're more charming this time around. Or at least as has been mentioned, they embrace a more ridiculous aspect for the most part rather then jumping between Nazi mechs and ancient Science Priest Cult tech and moon bases, etc. and grizzled monologuing.


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That one is a major annoyance. I get that in the wheelchair sequence B.J. would be weak with a health cap, but once you get the powersuit that should over and done with. It makes no sense that you're wearing the powersuit yet you're as vulnerable as an over ripe melon. I mean, this is the suit that Caroline used to stomp a panzerhund, but now it's like you're wearing tissuepaper. So much for Da'at Yichud technology.
Its meant to be his internal problems from the injuries (hence why its health thats capped and not armor). You do evetually get "cured" over the course of the game. The powersuit basically is nothing in gameplay though, yeah. You get a ground pound to open vents, even though you still have the laser that opened vents from TNO, thats about it.
 

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altnameJag said:
Phoenixmgs said:
What do bullshots have to do with gameplay? I watch for gameplay, not how good a game looks. Plus animations are the most important thing for me with regards to graphics and you can't fake that. Outside of Aliens Colonial Marines, I don't recall any game that tried faking gameplay.
Shadow of Mordor, which I already brought up.

Unless you think you're getting an accurate view of gameplay when the people playing aren't allowed to let you see bugs, or let you know if the controls feel janky, or any number of things. That was actively illegal.
What game had a post-launch review embargo?
Famously, Assassin's Creed Unity and Sonic Boom. Lots more, though, like Sonic Boom, they tend to be terrible. Hence the "don't allow people to know it's terrible on launch day" plan. Which is inherently anti-consumer, which is why publishers that try it don't get my money. They won't change if you complain but still give them your money.
What I mean about faking gameplay is gameplay that is itself a lie, which I haven't seen outside of Aliens Colonial Marines. Shadow of Mordor didn't try faking any gameplay. What you saw from the publisher or a "massaged" Youtuber was completely legit gameplay that you could very much perform in the final product. Just like the marketing of any product, you're going to see the product at its best whether it's a game or a McDonald's Big Mac. And the prolonged walkthroughs with at least 15+ minutes of unedited footage will show anything with regards to janky controls because if the game has janky controls, the game is not going to look good in lengthy straight gameplay footage. I could tell in less than a minute of marketing footage (the game at its best) of Devil's Third that it was shit. Same thing with the newest Ghost Recon Wildlands, I knew the game was shit from the E3 footage. I played the beta for less than an hour and deleted it as it only confirmed exactly what I thought about the game. The controls were a huge downgrade from Ghost Recon Future Soldier, which I noticed immediately from E3 footage. Same thing with regards to great controls. For example, it took me only a couple matches of watching Medal of Honor Warfighter to know the game had the best FPS controls, bought the game and it was the best online FPS of last-gen (campaign was absolute shit but I didn't buy it for that).

The last time a bug had any major affect on a game for me was MVP Baseball 2004's lefty glitch which caused all fly balls hit by left handers to have top spin making hitting homeruns with lefties really hard while making getting normal base hits much easier. Only one review on Metacritic even mentions it and it's from netjak, that I never heard of. And the game has a Metacritic of 90. Reviews are rarely helpful or expose important issues a game has. Reviews only really help to expose if a game MAJORLY fucked up like AssCreed Unity, which is really damn rare in actuality. PC port issues can be major, but most reviewers play the console versions and you're going to have to wait on the PC gamer community to expose that most of the time.

I only looked up AssCreed Unity's embargo, which was only until noon of launch day. If you can't wait until noon of launch day then I don't know what to tell you. I'm sure it was done to hide the bugs vs Ubisoft's reasoning, but a quick Metacritic scan before picking it up still would've worked.

Smithnikov said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Sounds like a you problem.
So I called myself a cuckold and a SJW for liking State of Decay?
The fact that you care about what others think is on you. What enjoyment you get out of a game is purely decided by you. Anyone that even uses the term SJW with regards to games is 100% ignored by me because of the inherent stupidity of that whole "thing".
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
Shadow of Mordor didn't try faking any gameplay. What you saw from the publisher or a "massaged" Youtuber was completely legit gameplay that you could very much perform in the final product. Just like the marketing of any product, you're going to see the product at its best whether it's a game or a McDonald's Big Mac.
What WB did was literally illegally manipulative. You might be okay with that, but I'm not.

And I don't have my self-imposed "no launch day reviews=no sale" policy because I have a problem with marketing. Marketing is fine as long as it isn't lying. What WB did was illegal by even the incredibly lax standards of the FTC.
I have it because it's anti-consumer garbage. Shill for publishers if you want, the facts on the ground are that most sales happen early, and having customers go in blind with only hand picked influencers showing guided gameplay is deliberate misinformation.

 

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Ezekiel said:
A better, more comprehensive review.

I like GG man lives. He's one of my favorite YouTuber viewers. His thoughts perfectly some of mine. I thought the game was still good but it definitely suffer from too many stealth sections. It got to the point where I would manually reload a save if I messed up a stealthy section up for didn't kill the commander. I highly recommend to anyone that they upgrade their pistol to a silencer as soon as possible. That made the sections a bit more bearable.

Also, despite completing the game in about 14 hours it definitely felt shorter than the New Order. This wasn't a big deal for me, but it is noticeable that they put in a lot of cutscenes; which is probably why they have a lot more still sections to pad the game length. Hopefully for the third entry machine games will drop these stealth sections. Despite its problems I found Wolfenstein to a pretty great shooter. It's still better than any game that tries to be Call of Duty or Battlefield. I just got a copy of Prey for $30 so I'm going to try that game out next.
 

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Ezekiel said:
A better, more comprehensive review.

I like GG man lives. He's one of my favorite YouTuber viewers. His thoughts perfectly some of mine. I thought the game was still good but it definitely suffer from too many stealth sections. It got to the point where I would manually reload a save if I messed up a stealthy section up for didn't kill the commander. I highly recommend to anyone that they upgrade their pistol to a silencer as soon as possible. That made the sections a bit more bearable.

Also, the spunk completing the game in about 14 hours it definitely felt shorter than the New Order. This wasn't a big deal for me, but it is noticeable that they put in a lot of cutscenes; which is probably why they have a lot more still sections to pad the game length. Hopefully for the third entry machine games will drop these stealth sections. Despite its problems I found Wolfenstein to a pretty great shooter. It's still better than any game that tries to be Call of Duty or Battlefield. I just got a copy of Prey for $30 so I'm going to try that game out next.

Lemme guess, you meant to say ?despite? there, but the stupid phone autocorrects with something completely absurd? Yup, been there done that far too often, and it only furthers the case that mobile anything is purely a necessary evil at best, because no one with at least an ounce of sanity would willingly choose this shit over a full keyboard.
 

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Tried to install this 2 days ago and it crashed. I heard the game was great but it had gone full SJW in terms of everyone evil being white and all the heroes one eye lesbians or something. Seems unlikely but we'll see.

It does get tedious when a message is too blatantly shoehorned in but who cares, just ignore it and shoot stuff.
 

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I don't think the story in these games is intended to be taken seriously. The overarching theme to me is... in a modern world where everyone is offended by something, here's something NOBODY can get offended by... killing Nazis by the thousands, because we can. No judge, no jury, no fair trial... just slaughter them all by the freight load and have fun doing it, because they're all bad, by definition. Everyone hates Nazis! It's justifiable genocide, and it's intentionally over the top.
 

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QuiteEnjoyed2016 said:
Tried to install this 2 days ago and it crashed. I heard the game was great but it had gone full SJW in terms of everyone evil being white and all the heroes one eye lesbians or something. Seems unlikely but we'll see.

It does get tedious when a message is too blatantly shoehorned in but who cares, just ignore it and shoot stuff.
Sounds like you came across /pol/. You're fighting nazis, of course they're white and evil. There are no gay people in the game afaik, there's this black chick who's full SJW and a little racist towards white but that's about it. You recruit a couple of commies to join your crew (It's in the trailers) but not until the main protagonist expresses his own opinion about those ''Bolshevik cowards''.
 

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hanselthecaretaker said:
CoCage said:
Ezekiel said:
A better, more comprehensive review.

I like GG man lives. He's one of my favorite YouTuber viewers. His thoughts perfectly some of mine. I thought the game was still good but it definitely suffer from too many stealth sections. It got to the point where I would manually reload a save if I messed up a stealthy section up for didn't kill the commander. I highly recommend to anyone that they upgrade their pistol to a silencer as soon as possible. That made the sections a bit more bearable.

Also, the spunk completing the game in about 14 hours it definitely felt shorter than the New Order. This wasn't a big deal for me, but it is noticeable that they put in a lot of cutscenes; which is probably why they have a lot more still sections to pad the game length. Hopefully for the third entry machine games will drop these stealth sections. Despite its problems I found Wolfenstein to a pretty great shooter. It's still better than any game that tries to be Call of Duty or Battlefield. I just got a copy of Prey for $30 so I'm going to try that game out next.

Lemme guess, you meant to say ?despite? there, but the stupid phone autocorrects with something completely absurd? Yup, been there done that far too often, and it only furthers the case that mobile anything is purely a necessary evil at best, because no one with at least an ounce of sanity would willingly choose this shit over a full keyboard.
Android tablet but same difference in this case. Freaking Google speak sucks sometimes! Thank you for catching that by the way.
 

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BabyfartsMcgeezaks said:
QuiteEnjoyed2016 said:
Tried to install this 2 days ago and it crashed. I heard the game was great but it had gone full SJW in terms of everyone evil being white and all the heroes one eye lesbians or something. Seems unlikely but we'll see.

It does get tedious when a message is too blatantly shoehorned in but who cares, just ignore it and shoot stuff.
Sounds like you came across /pol/. You're fighting nazis, of course they're white and evil. There are no gay people in the game afaik, there's this black chick who's full SJW and a little racist towards white but that's about it. You recruit a couple of commies to join your crew (It's in the trailers) but not until the main protagonist expresses his own opinion about those ''Bolshevik cowards''.
Plus, this is a world where the USSR got smashed by the Wehrmacht war machine. Most of the excesses and despicable-ness of the Red Scare never had time to happen.
 

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altnameJag said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Shadow of Mordor didn't try faking any gameplay. What you saw from the publisher or a "massaged" Youtuber was completely legit gameplay that you could very much perform in the final product. Just like the marketing of any product, you're going to see the product at its best whether it's a game or a McDonald's Big Mac.
What WB did was literally illegally manipulative. You might be okay with that, but I'm not.

And I don't have my self-imposed "no launch day reviews=no sale" policy because I have a problem with marketing. Marketing is fine as long as it isn't lying. What WB did was illegal by even the incredibly lax standards of the FTC.
I have it because it's anti-consumer garbage. Shill for publishers if you want, the facts on the ground are that most sales happen early, and having customers go in blind with only hand picked influencers showing guided gameplay is deliberate misinformation.

Whether it was illegal or legal isn't much of a difference IMO. When your livelihood depends on insider knowledge and contacts, there's always going to be back-stratching going on even if money technically doesn't change hands (and is then technically illegal). To think that any site/Youtuber getting early access is completely 100% unadulterated opinion (conscious or even unconscious) is a fallacy on your or anyone's end. I watch the official dev previews and can tell from that alone on whether game is something I wanna play or not. I'll be able to tell watching any full mission say from Red Dead 2 if Rockstar's missions are still super linear thereby defeating the purpose of their open worlds or if the controls still suck regardless of how much the developer or Youtuber is over-hyping the shit out it. You're not going in blind and the gameplay you see is ACTUAL and not fake. I remember back in the magazine days, the most you got to determine if a game was good were pages of screenshots. Now publishers show hours of unedited gameplay that you can find if the game is for you rather easily. If let the obvious marketing get you hyped for a game like how the aforementioned Red Dead 2 is getting hyped from GAMERS THEMSELVES, that's on you.
 

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QuiteEnjoyed2016 said:
Tried to install this 2 days ago and it crashed. I heard the game was great but it had gone full SJW in terms of everyone evil being white and all the heroes one eye lesbians or something. Seems unlikely but we'll see.

It does get tedious when a message is too blatantly shoehorned in but who cares, just ignore it and shoot stuff.
FYI, this isn't Gamefaqs.
 

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altnameJag said:
BabyfartsMcgeezaks said:
QuiteEnjoyed2016 said:
Tried to install this 2 days ago and it crashed. I heard the game was great but it had gone full SJW in terms of everyone evil being white and all the heroes one eye lesbians or something. Seems unlikely but we'll see.

It does get tedious when a message is too blatantly shoehorned in but who cares, just ignore it and shoot stuff.
Sounds like you came across /pol/. You're fighting nazis, of course they're white and evil. There are no gay people in the game afaik, there's this black chick who's full SJW and a little racist towards white but that's about it. You recruit a couple of commies to join your crew (It's in the trailers) but not until the main protagonist expresses his own opinion about those ''Bolshevik cowards''.
Plus, this is a world where the USSR got smashed by the Wehrmacht war machine. Most of the excesses and despicable-ness of the Red Scare never had time to happen.
Sorry to go all history police on you, but there was a lot of Stalin motherfuckery that took place before Hitler invaded...

LINK [https://historyofrussia.org/stalin-killed-how-many-people/]
 

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Kerg3927 said:
altnameJag said:
BabyfartsMcgeezaks said:
QuiteEnjoyed2016 said:
Tried to install this 2 days ago and it crashed. I heard the game was great but it had gone full SJW in terms of everyone evil being white and all the heroes one eye lesbians or something. Seems unlikely but we'll see.

It does get tedious when a message is too blatantly shoehorned in but who cares, just ignore it and shoot stuff.
Sounds like you came across /pol/. You're fighting nazis, of course they're white and evil. There are no gay people in the game afaik, there's this black chick who's full SJW and a little racist towards white but that's about it. You recruit a couple of commies to join your crew (It's in the trailers) but not until the main protagonist expresses his own opinion about those ''Bolshevik cowards''.
Plus, this is a world where the USSR got smashed by the Wehrmacht war machine. Most of the excesses and despicable-ness of the Red Scare never had time to happen.
Sorry to go all history police on you, but there was a lot of Stalin motherfuckery that took place before Hitler invaded...

LINK [https://historyofrussia.org/stalin-killed-how-many-people/]
Which the West didn't know or care about before the war, and which a genocide of the Russian people would cover up in Wolfenstein-verse, yes, I know.

Like, in real life, there were SS groups following the main divisions executing whole civilian populations. That would have expanded if Germany was actually successful with Barbosa.