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Yes. Because I do see them all the time and I like them lots and lotsJonluw said:
.Sorry if I quoted the wrong person, I snipped it from someone quoting the quote >_>.
I enjoy boobs as much as the next man, but I can sort of see why we keep them covered as a matter of decency. Aside from anything else it's tremendously impractical for women to have such things completely unbound.
Religious ideas about everything you enjoy being sinful are probably the basis for the censorship of boobs. Melons are evidence of the sexuality inherent in the bearing of children, and should therefore being kept hidden, unless said fun-bags are painted on canvas by a Vatican-approved artist for some reason.
It's backwards and it's silly, but that's the way things work.
If boobs no longer had to be covered I think I'd get bored of looking at them eventually, and that would not do. I need to feel naughty on occasion.
Religious ideas about everything you enjoy being sinful are probably the basis for the censorship of boobs. Melons are evidence of the sexuality inherent in the bearing of children, and should therefore being kept hidden, unless said fun-bags are painted on canvas by a Vatican-approved artist for some reason.
It's backwards and it's silly, but that's the way things work.
If boobs no longer had to be covered I think I'd get bored of looking at them eventually, and that would not do. I need to feel naughty on occasion.
Honestly I think it has more to do with our belief that children are completely innocent and that outside forces will corrupt them. That inevitable urge to say that sex is dirty and that society will drive us to do it all the while ignoring that our hormones and brain chemistry will push us into it anyway.
Personally,and i may be in a minority here, my favourite part of a woman is the naked back. I wouldn't want to date or fool around with a naked back but then I think the whole is far more than the sum of its parts... Particularly if it likes talking plant biology and will go hiking with me.
Personally,and i may be in a minority here, my favourite part of a woman is the naked back. I wouldn't want to date or fool around with a naked back but then I think the whole is far more than the sum of its parts... Particularly if it likes talking plant biology and will go hiking with me.
Just now? No. There is no way you just now got on a list.Jonluw said:
The irony being if breasts did shoot like that, they'd probably be considered acceptable in America.Jonluw said:Hah! How naïve!
Depends on the size of the breasts and what the breasts' owner does in terms of activity.Spineyguy said:
Eh, just because they don't need to be covered doesn't mean they'll be out all the time. There are actual substantially large places (Oregon, most of Canada, etc) where it's completely legal for women to go topless wherever it's appropriate for men to do so. You wouldn't notice that from going around town for a walk, because most women still choose to cover up. I mean, think of when men take their shirts off: beaches, strenuous outdoor labor, swimming. Plenty of people still find men's chests erotic even though they're allowed to flaunt if they want to.Spineyguy said:
Either way, I like this thread. Makes a nice change from the usual threads; the Mass Effect Ending threads, the "Am I the only one...?" threads, the friend zoned threads and of course the news threads.
OT: I think it's a preparation thing. Puberty kicks in at about 13-ish, there and there abouts, differing between males and females, and more so between individuals but the idea is to deprive the child of secondary mammalian traits so that when the times comes to view them, they are treated with the admiration they deserve.
That, or we're just socially shy about it. I dunno, this is all guesswork
I imagine if treated tits as casually as you suggest for the entirity of our lives then they were revert quiet blandly back to being rather formless fatty tissue and as such lack that mild importance and eroticism that comes from rarity at the birth of most peoples sexuality.
Look on the bright side Jonluw when Summer comes around you'll be able to get a quick glance at stonking tits every now and then. Because they aren't out all the time you'll enjoy summer more. Hoooray for Summer and Boobies.
Of course it does, but assuming that most women have a lifestyle that involves more than the mere preparation of sandwiches I think being covered up is best.Zachary Amaranth said:
I'm not sure that topless men are really 'flaunting' anything. Perhaps it's different in America but here in the UK the majority of men have nothing to be particularly proud of when it comes to the chest area. Mind you, it's true that for 363 days of the year we haven't the weather to warrant a bare chest.Dags90 said:
I'm sure being topless is legal in many countries. Women breast-feed in public quite frequently now and to my knowledge there haven't been too many arrests. But if we're talking about boobs being a social taboo then it's certainly still the case.
Aside from anything else, a man who's caught staring at breasts is in for an awful time, regardless of whether or not they were 'on display', as it were. It's quite funny to watch what happens when a woman in a low-cut top meets a room full of men, suddenly the skirting-boards and light-fittings become incredibly interesting.
The first part, yes, the second part is a societal thing, there are a lot of cultures that don't consider them any more desirable or exciting or worth looking at than forearms or ears or feet.Esotera said:
Basically this, and you've almost answered your own question: the initial why is western European society going back at least a thousand years, and to change it now we'd have to act like they aren't special, which is pretty difficult.Jonluw said:
As an aside, I'm male and I'm really not comfortable with having my shirt off around other people; this might have to do with me mostly growing up without my dad; anyway it just goes to show it's all relative.
We live in a world where swearing is worse than extreme graphic violence and where people believe fairy tales over truth, there's no getting around it that people are really dumb.
Where a few people complain and the vast majority gets it ruined for them where the minority of people could just look away or change the channel. The world currently caters to the squeamish and dumb.
Edit: In other words you get something beautiful and natural censored because people are dumb.
Where a few people complain and the vast majority gets it ruined for them where the minority of people could just look away or change the channel. The world currently caters to the squeamish and dumb.
Edit: In other words you get something beautiful and natural censored because people are dumb.
I don't think there's a large gender disparity in fitness in either the U.S. or the U.K. Women are just as out of shape as men are in both places. Also, if you think women only want to see perfectly sculpted chests of marble, studies show you're probably overestimating what they find attractive.[footnote]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18089177[/footnote]Spineyguy said:
Legality is the first part of it. It's not until sometime after it's become legal that something can become normalized, most of the "topfreedom" laws are relatively new in North America.
I wouldn't say it's a matter of being dumb, I'd say it's being stubborn. Like I said, it's been this way for a long time, and it would be very hard to change it. People are mostly comfortable with the way things are, and they don't want to go out of their way to change them.Snotnarok said:
I'm well aware that only very few women will settle for nothing less than a demigod, my point wasn't about that. Only the most vain of men will remove their clothing specifically to entice women (which is what I'd define 'flaunting' as). I don't think women find men's chests any more attractive than men find women's legs or midriff, and we seem to be content to have those on display.Dags90 said:
For the majority of men, going topless is a practical thing, like you said. Which means that when it's practical women should also be free bare all. However, for strenuous activity it makes more sense for a woman not to have her breasts hanging out, even though bras can get very sweaty and itchy (so I'm told). This is where bikini tops find their niche, practically speaking.
Legality is a whole new level of confusing. When we start the debate of what precedes what in terms of social and legal taboos, it's genuinely a case of the blind leading the blind.