No I can't, because I do not do intensive research on feminist writers. But there are women who believe that, and leave bad impressions for feminisim. You don't have to be famous to have an impact on someone's belief of a group.evilthecat said:
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And?Hagi said:
Do you think an idiom can only be used with clear rules governing its rhetorical intention?
That's a very revealing interpretation..Hagi said:
Think about the implications of what you just said.
Really, I wouldn't even have gone that far myself.
This is probably going to be said a million times over, but it's not about woman rights, it's about human rights in general. Woman and men are equal. If one disagrees I'm really curious for an explanation.
Of course, there is a scientificly measured difference between the mindset of men and women, and what men and / or women are generally better at then the opposite sex. I don't care. One picks a job they like, one works a job they like, one lives a life they like, one is equal to all other.
Of course, there is a scientificly measured difference between the mindset of men and women, and what men and / or women are generally better at then the opposite sex. I don't care. One picks a job they like, one works a job they like, one lives a life they like, one is equal to all other.
Misandry, as with misogyny, is about being an idiot. There is no getting around this.Raika said:
What? That farmers believe sheep are good and wolves are bad?evilthecat said:
A farmer with lots of sheep is able to feed and clothe his family.
A farmer with lots of wolves dies.
It's not hard....
This idiom's been around for over 500 years. It's meaning is as defined as any word in the dictionary. Anyone in western culture not ignorant or obtuse knows it's meaning.
So really, you're either ignorant, obtuse and looking to be offended or trolling.
Thanks for the personal attack, bro. Not sure what I did to deserve that, since I'm pretty sure I conducted myself in a fairly civil manner. Receiving a random personal insult out of nowhere from someone I wasn't talking to doesn't exactly show me the error of my man-hating ways, though.ItsAChiaotzu said:
Yeah... you're probably right...Monxerot said:
It's just hard to understand how someone from the UK can be that ignorant of such a well-known idiom. I could understand someone from say Japan not knowing it, surprised but still understanding. But the UK?
Stuff like this comes up in primary schools, television shows, casual conversation and basically everywhere all the time. It's like not knowing what a grapefruit is....
Oh my god.. stop digging, and think about it.Hagi said:
Equality Feminist = sheep.
Female Supremacist (whose existence I can assume, because as far as I can see they don't exist as a significant social force) = wolf
Man = ? (in this analogy)
Questioning the application of an idiom doesn't mean I don't understand it. You understand the word 'idiot' yet you might have a problem if I called you one.
Well done for at least proving me right.Raika said:
What you did to deserve it was have a stupid stupid stupid opinion on gender. Honestly, there is no way you can justify it whatsoever.
You're underthinking it. Let me elaborate. I hate what society dictates men should be, i.e. loud, self-absorbed dipshits who exist to make sure everybody knows how big and horrifying their penises are. I like to believe modernity has done away with binary gender roles, but just because I believe something doesn't mean it's true. More men need to be like Haggar from Final Fight. That's a may-unn right thur.Monxerot said:
There we go, I translated it into English. That's an act of public service right there.ItsAChiaotzu said:
The level of discourse in here is usually pretty high, for the internet. I find it astonishing that the presumption is that he doesn't understand the idiom, and not that the use of the idiom in these circumstances is the problem.Hagi said:
What holds back women's rights in my opinion are children.
Currently under UK law a woman can have up to a year off and expect to return to work at the same pay grade as when she left, as well as being able to ask for family friendly hours.
A man on the other hand gets two weeks and that's it.
So as an employer who are you going to want to hire?
Currently under UK law a woman can have up to a year off and expect to return to work at the same pay grade as when she left, as well as being able to ask for family friendly hours.
A man on the other hand gets two weeks and that's it.
So as an employer who are you going to want to hire?
Which says what?Abandon4093 said:
I'm not asking because I don't know, I'm asking because I want you to actually look at what you are saying.
The problem that I see is the sensational method of teaching. Impressionable young women learn that there is sexism, and decide that everything that separates men and women is sexism. "You mean to tell me that you have a penis and I don't? Take a look at this damned sexist, everybody!"
People who throw terms like "sexism" around aren't particularly helping the issue. Sexism (just like racism and any sort of prejudice) should involve the feelings of hatred or superiority. Falling for stereotypes is not "sexism"; it's just making an ass out of yourself.
I've also said many times before that the focus should be not "women's rights", but "gender equality". "Women's rights" misses the point. ("Why do women need to have these rights?") "Gender equality" covers that point many times better. ("Because men have them, and women are as capable.") Perhaps if feminist movements adopted this approach, people would not develop an aversion to every harmless difference between the sexes and instead take their energy to the gender-related matters that actually hinder women's lives in society.
People who throw terms like "sexism" around aren't particularly helping the issue. Sexism (just like racism and any sort of prejudice) should involve the feelings of hatred or superiority. Falling for stereotypes is not "sexism"; it's just making an ass out of yourself.
I've also said many times before that the focus should be not "women's rights", but "gender equality". "Women's rights" misses the point. ("Why do women need to have these rights?") "Gender equality" covers that point many times better. ("Because men have them, and women are as capable.") Perhaps if feminist movements adopted this approach, people would not develop an aversion to every harmless difference between the sexes and instead take their energy to the gender-related matters that actually hinder women's lives in society.
I don't hate feminists, because I try not to make a habit of blaming an entire group of people for the views and actions of the insane psychotic members of said group.
I think the women who jump down a guy's throat for holding a door open for them or holding their chair out for them need to get the stick out of their arses.
Also this. ^^ which is also the reason why i do not yet have the job I really want.Eleison said:
The "feminists" of today usually like to forget or never actually educate themselves that the movement is about equality, most often then not they push for gender supremacy which is in fact sexism.
It's a thin line to walk and the tables can turn very quickly.
It's a thin line to walk and the tables can turn very quickly.