Although no certain words were used that make me cringe, the OP has done the gamer thing of writing your opinions on any game related stuff as facts. Just a completely arrogant thing to do.Crono1973 said:Alot of words get thrown around too much by gamers, which ones bother you the most? For me it's:
- Entitled (It's normal for a business to be greedy but a customer wanting to get his money worth is entitled)
- Immersion (must be those people who tie their kids up/let them starve while they play video games, I want no part of that)
It's all good.Ragsnstitches said:That's fine, all I was doing was selecting your quote, adding a bit of personal frustration from an argument I had before and decided that was the most aggravating thing I've ever had to deal with on this site.Crono1973 said:People say it and I hate when people say it and yes, it's made people sick to death of hearing about "games are art". Still not saying that everyone says it, just saying that those who do say it are frustrating many people.Ragsnstitches said:No you didn't. But I still hate it when people use that line when supporting the idea of Art as an insufferable topic.Crono1973 said:Hmm, maybe you could show me where I generalized a whole movement? I said that:Ragsnstitches said:Crono1973 said:Yeah, I got sick of being beat over the head with "games are art, you can't criticize them" real damn quick. My response: "Ok, let Bioware be starving artists."Gamers who misquote and generalize an entire movement based on a few morons who speak in their corner.Fiz_The_Toaster said:Yeah, that last bit I never understood. If they are art, shouldn't I be allowed to criticize them? You know, like critics of other mediums do? It amazes me with people sometimes.
Yeah, I FUCKING HATE THAT!
I got sick of being beat over the head with "games are art, you can't criticize them" real damn quick.
I didn't say everyone says that.
Nothing personal really. But every time I see that line, regardless of context, I see red.
Really? Where did I say that I was stating facts? Those are my opinions.Midgeamoo said:Although no certain words were used that make me cringe, the OP has done the gamer thing of writing your opinions on any game related stuff as facts. Just a completely arrogant thing to do.Crono1973 said:Alot of words get thrown around too much by gamers, which ones bother you the most? For me it's:
- Entitled (It's normal for a business to be greedy but a customer wanting to get his money worth is entitled)
- Immersion (must be those people who tie their kids up/let them starve while they play video games, I want no part of that)
Hey, man, why are you writing your opinion on the OP as a fact? Don't you know you might rustle some jimmies if you don't include "IMO" in every sentence?Midgeamoo said:Although no certain words were used that make me cringe, the OP has done the gamer thing of writing your opinions on any game related stuff as facts. Just a completely arrogant thing to do.Crono1973 said:Alot of words get thrown around too much by gamers, which ones bother you the most? For me it's:
- Entitled (It's normal for a business to be greedy but a customer wanting to get his money worth is entitled)
- Immersion (must be those people who tie their kids up/let them starve while they play video games, I want no part of that)
WORSE! Overpowered or imbalanced when referring to a single player game BUT referring to player made input (weapon choice, stat allocation, unit selection etc.)limberer said:"Overpowered" usually when used in mmo's pvp. just peoples way of diverting from the fact that someone can beat them by blaming their loss on a particular ability.
When it harms singleplayer game balance?Ragsnstitches said:WORSE! Overpowered or imbalanced when referring to a single player game BUT referring to player made input (weapon choice, stat allocation, unit selection etc.)limberer said:"Overpowered" usually when used in mmo's pvp. just peoples way of diverting from the fact that someone can beat them by blaming their loss on a particular ability.
How is something Overpowered or Imbalanced when not in a competitive setting?!
Entitlement: What is owed to a consumer after purchase. It's a noun, and used constantly incorrectly.Capitano Segnaposto said:...Aprilgold said:I hope it never does BECAUSE Entitled is not insult, its a word that is more or less a term for smart consumers who knows what he was promised or told he would get. You can't turn Nice into a insult, the same goes for this.
/facepalm
Please explain your reasoning behind this...
That's not what I intended to say, and I apologise if it came out that way. My problem is your original generalisation that immersion is for "those people who tie their kids up/let them starve while they play video games," is untrue and rude. I know plenty of people who like immersion, myself among them, who are perfectly normal people, and I don't like being grouped with those people just because I like something.Crono1973 said:You want to go through and tell everyone else that what THEY consider cringe worthy, actually isn't?DJjaffacake said:In that context it is stupid, yes, but that doesn't make the word cringeworthy whenever its used. It's perfectly valid to say, I enjoy x game because I can get really immersed in it, it feels like a real world. Although possibly with dragons. It's like saying the word sausage is dirty. It can be, but only when used in that way, not everyone who says sausage is making a dick joke. The same can be applied to immersion. If someone says, "not being able to kill children is breaking the immersion," they may well be the kind of person you described, but that doesn't mean everyone who ever uses the word is like that.Crono1973 said:Immersion is what people typing it want it to mean.DJjaffacake said:Except it isn't. Immersion is feeling like you are in the game, not spending hours playing it. Most people who like immersion like it because they also like RPGs, specifically the roleplaying part, not because they are bad parents. That is a ridiculous suggestion.Crono1973 said:- Immersion (must be those people who tie their kids up/let them starve while they play video games, I want no part of that)
Like "mounted combat in Skyrim was needed, it was killing immersion". Someone actually typed that. If you can identify a missing feature and claim it's killing immersion then it's not immersion, that's called over analyzing and guessing. How the fuck can anyone know what's killing immersion if it was never in the game in the first place. Maybe it's because the mounted combat in Oblivion was so awesome? Did they expect Zelda quality mounted combat from Bethesda? After the terrible horseback riding in Oblivion that most people avoided once they tried it!
Immersion is on my list of words that make me cringe because people throw it around too much making it meaningless. Oh and yes, if you are so into a game that your kid starves or drowns, that's immersion!
It's called an opinion. I think the word is overused and misused and therefore I cringe when I see someone type it.
The terms are irrelevant when the player is the one abusing them.Kahunaburger said:When it harms singleplayer game balance?Ragsnstitches said:WORSE! Overpowered or imbalanced when referring to a single player game BUT referring to player made input (weapon choice, stat allocation, unit selection etc.)limberer said:"Overpowered" usually when used in mmo's pvp. just peoples way of diverting from the fact that someone can beat them by blaming their loss on a particular ability.
How is something Overpowered or Imbalanced when not in a competitive setting?!
You're already grouped with those people in a variety of ways. They play games, you play games, your might be the same gender, etc..DJjaffacake said:That's not what I intended to say, and I apologise if it came out that way. My problem is your original generalisation that immersion is for "those people who tie their kids up/let them starve while they play video games," is untrue and rude. I know plenty of people who like immersion, myself among them, who are perfectly normal people, and I don't like being grouped with those people just because I like something.Crono1973 said:You want to go through and tell everyone else that what THEY consider cringe worthy, actually isn't?DJjaffacake said:In that context it is stupid, yes, but that doesn't make the word cringeworthy whenever its used. It's perfectly valid to say, I enjoy x game because I can get really immersed in it, it feels like a real world. Although possibly with dragons. It's like saying the word sausage is dirty. It can be, but only when used in that way, not everyone who says sausage is making a dick joke. The same can be applied to immersion. If someone says, "not being able to kill children is breaking the immersion," they may well be the kind of person you described, but that doesn't mean everyone who ever uses the word is like that.Crono1973 said:Immersion is what people typing it want it to mean.DJjaffacake said:Except it isn't. Immersion is feeling like you are in the game, not spending hours playing it. Most people who like immersion like it because they also like RPGs, specifically the roleplaying part, not because they are bad parents. That is a ridiculous suggestion.Crono1973 said:- Immersion (must be those people who tie their kids up/let them starve while they play video games, I want no part of that)
Like "mounted combat in Skyrim was needed, it was killing immersion". Someone actually typed that. If you can identify a missing feature and claim it's killing immersion then it's not immersion, that's called over analyzing and guessing. How the fuck can anyone know what's killing immersion if it was never in the game in the first place. Maybe it's because the mounted combat in Oblivion was so awesome? Did they expect Zelda quality mounted combat from Bethesda? After the terrible horseback riding in Oblivion that most people avoided once they tried it!
Immersion is on my list of words that make me cringe because people throw it around too much making it meaningless. Oh and yes, if you are so into a game that your kid starves or drowns, that's immersion!
It's called an opinion. I think the word is overused and misused and therefore I cringe when I see someone type it.
It's more: "why aren't you giving me a legitimately challenging experience?" There's a specific type of praise that games get that's a mark of good balance - hard but fair. The type of game that gets this praise is a game that expects and requires the player to use every available resource to win, and doesn't unreasonably tip the difficulty either for or against the player.Ragsnstitches said:The terms are irrelevant when the player is the one abusing them.Kahunaburger said:When it harms singleplayer game balance?Ragsnstitches said:WORSE! Overpowered or imbalanced when referring to a single player game BUT referring to player made input (weapon choice, stat allocation, unit selection etc.)limberer said:"Overpowered" usually when used in mmo's pvp. just peoples way of diverting from the fact that someone can beat them by blaming their loss on a particular ability.
How is something Overpowered or Imbalanced when not in a competitive setting?!
First of all, there is no victim or person who suffers from abusing such things. Essentially, the objective of any game, is to overpower obstacles and enemies. Claiming a weapon YOU CHOOSE or a piece of armor YOU CHOOSE is overpowered in a single player game is like saying "why are you letting me win?"