Worst Protagonists.
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In case you didn't realize, if Desmond did suddenly try and resist, they would kill him. A huge, evil, masterly minded company had him capture. He was based on how a real person would react. While you see the hero steal and a gun and than hold some important guy hostage to get out, it wouldn't really work. They would just send in guards and fill him with led shells.TheRealLastDance said:
Marcus Fenix of Gears of War fame would be pretty high up my list.
I know that the protagonists are *deliberately* meant to be annoying, but if I wanted bad action movie characters saying things like "They are starting to #*%& me off!" then I will watch a Stephen Segal movie.
I know that the protagonists are *deliberately* meant to be annoying, but if I wanted bad action movie characters saying things like "They are starting to #*%& me off!" then I will watch a Stephen Segal movie.
Looks to me like there are two different kinds of bad protagonist; the annoying and the unconvincing. As far as annoyance goes, I've never found one worse than Tidus from FF10. Love the game, but it would be substantially improved if the first thing Auron did at the start of the game was gag Tidus...
Unconvincing-wise, I'm tempted to start laying the hate on AFGNCAAPs (I'm looking at you, Mr. Freeman, even if you aren't technically faceless, nameless or gender-neutral), because playing through a whole game without my character having any motivation other than 'someone I've only just met told me to' is a bit unconvincing.
HOWEVER, there is a stratum below AFGNCAAPs, which is characters that the writer tried to make seem heroic and noble but who actually come off as naive idiots, like Vyse from my favourite punching bag, Skies of Arcadia. This is a guy who forgives anyone who attacks him, no matter how misguided or selfish their reasons. What's worse is that everyone he defeats undergoes some sort of bizarre conversion from callous thief/murderer/rapist/kidnapper to goody-two-shoes instantly, the moment he's nice the them. Convincing? I think not.
Oh, and then there's the moment where he arrives at his childhood best friend's prison cell to discover an enemy commander in the process of sexually assaulting her and before he attacks the man, pauses to make a wisecrack about how maybe she'd like to be left alone with him. That made my skin crawl.
So, overall, Vyse is the worst character I can remember playing as.
Unconvincing-wise, I'm tempted to start laying the hate on AFGNCAAPs (I'm looking at you, Mr. Freeman, even if you aren't technically faceless, nameless or gender-neutral), because playing through a whole game without my character having any motivation other than 'someone I've only just met told me to' is a bit unconvincing.
HOWEVER, there is a stratum below AFGNCAAPs, which is characters that the writer tried to make seem heroic and noble but who actually come off as naive idiots, like Vyse from my favourite punching bag, Skies of Arcadia. This is a guy who forgives anyone who attacks him, no matter how misguided or selfish their reasons. What's worse is that everyone he defeats undergoes some sort of bizarre conversion from callous thief/murderer/rapist/kidnapper to goody-two-shoes instantly, the moment he's nice the them. Convincing? I think not.
Oh, and then there's the moment where he arrives at his childhood best friend's prison cell to discover an enemy commander in the process of sexually assaulting her and before he attacks the man, pauses to make a wisecrack about how maybe she'd like to be left alone with him. That made my skin crawl.
So, overall, Vyse is the worst character I can remember playing as.
That's something I didn't get either. In Halo 2, Cortana mentions that Regret "Didn't expect anyone to be on Earth," yet it never elaborates on why, or why he had such a small fleet.shatnershaman said:
Also, it's no doubting that the Chief is a one man army (Who really needs the Marines or Elites, anyway?), so why give him Hunters?
Anyways, you'd expect relationships to be flimsy between them.
(You're busy wiping out the only threat against you, but one escapes, running to the place that you idolize, and subsequently blowing it up. You WOULD be pretty pissed off, especially when the guy that did that goes ahead and proves to you that you're enacting mass genocide for a hokey religion!)
Um its because they thought Reach was the homeworld and Earth was a shrineworld (why I asked why did they get past Reach since it seems the ship the elites have in Halo 3 suck). The rest I write off to lazy programming (There are games that came out before Halo 3 with more and better buddies)Lord Krunk said:
scary corperation?....lol...you mean an old moron in a building....i didnt see anything scary there...just a ***** who liked being screwd up the ass. Give me a break.
Desmond miles is easily the WORST protagonist ever. I didnt even want him to survive...
Desmond miles is easily the WORST protagonist ever. I didnt even want him to survive...
Personally I recall Cloud having a fairly decent amount of development, granted it has been years since I last played FFVII, thus do not hold me to that. What irritated me know end about FFVII is how horrendously bad the beginning portion of the game's story is. Until you reach I believe the city is called Kalm (Cloud tells everyone about Sephiroth) that game decides to piss all over itself, spit on its characters and just to be smart, everything is tedious. Example?
Cloud at the beginning is a badass and essentially burshes of everyone as a "I'm a lone wolf mercenary, bugger the hell off with your problems." Now this is interesting given you know he has to eventually soften up otherwise no one would help him. However in less then twenty bloody minutes Aeris is kidnapped (a person Cloud was already an asshole to once) and suddenly he throws away his Lone Wolf status, puts on his Mario custom and is off to save a girl he met five seconds ago, leaving his cool apathetic badassery behind to cry in a corner.
Another part is Jesse and co being killed. This was suppose to be a build to show how Shinra would do anything regardless of who suffered. Problem was the writers forgot you only knew this characters for again five bloody seconds and they were annoying for each one of those seconds. Hell when they died I was generally pleased after I asked myself for the sixth time "Who the fuck is Jesse?"
So no I would not give Cloud this award, it isn't his fault the writing staff had no idea how to write a decent beginning. At least the rest of the game was fairly good and no it is not the best game ever.
On topic, I agree with the Link vote. Every game is the same tired recycled plot: "Princess Zelda is in trouble Link, save her!" He never has any character development, hell he does not even have a personality to develop. It's like playing with a Robot... in white tights... and a green tunic... who travels through time... or on a boat that hates him (I'm looking at you DS Link!)
To be fair Mario also hits all the Link points as well.
Cloud at the beginning is a badass and essentially burshes of everyone as a "I'm a lone wolf mercenary, bugger the hell off with your problems." Now this is interesting given you know he has to eventually soften up otherwise no one would help him. However in less then twenty bloody minutes Aeris is kidnapped (a person Cloud was already an asshole to once) and suddenly he throws away his Lone Wolf status, puts on his Mario custom and is off to save a girl he met five seconds ago, leaving his cool apathetic badassery behind to cry in a corner.
Another part is Jesse and co being killed. This was suppose to be a build to show how Shinra would do anything regardless of who suffered. Problem was the writers forgot you only knew this characters for again five bloody seconds and they were annoying for each one of those seconds. Hell when they died I was generally pleased after I asked myself for the sixth time "Who the fuck is Jesse?"
So no I would not give Cloud this award, it isn't his fault the writing staff had no idea how to write a decent beginning. At least the rest of the game was fairly good and no it is not the best game ever.
On topic, I agree with the Link vote. Every game is the same tired recycled plot: "Princess Zelda is in trouble Link, save her!" He never has any character development, hell he does not even have a personality to develop. It's like playing with a Robot... in white tights... and a green tunic... who travels through time... or on a boat that hates him (I'm looking at you DS Link!)
To be fair Mario also hits all the Link points as well.
Link was made (and named) specifically to be a link between the player and the game, as nuetral and faceless as possible so he couldn't get between the player and the game. He was never supposed to ever speak originally, but they couldn't keep that up in the long run. He's the first in a long line of faceless voiceless heroes.
At least he doesn't have a helmet.
Timeshift guy wins!
Fire Deamon:
On second thought, you're right... ET wins.
At least he doesn't have a helmet.
Timeshift guy wins!
Fire Deamon:
On second thought, you're right... ET wins.
I didn't know he had a name, but assuming you've played it you must have fallen asleep at the best bit if you think he's got no back story. That was pretty much the most important part of the plot, his back story.stompy said:
And shit me was it amazing when that was revealed. Where's that "emotional moments" thread...?
