Would Anyone Like To Explain What The Fuck This Is?!

[tirone231]

Clegane]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/10/jesus-ween-christian-halloween_n_1003395.html?1318270211

Okay. So let me get on the rant now.

I am a Pagan. And I for one find this to be bullshit.

Halloween is a sacred holiday. Pagan New Year, my friends. And this bullshit is what makes me hate America.

Let me tell you, I'm done defending the intelligence of this country if no one can follow our own Freedom of Religion bit. Fucking hell, I can't even think straight right now in regards to this. Someone, please post a better rant. I don't even have words. There ARE no words....

Oh my God, can't stop laughing.. too fucking funny, americans lol!

DISCLAIMER - Let me just first say that I'm super pro religious tolerance and strongly believe people should be able to believe whatever they want free of persecution.

So whats so funny then? HALLOWEEN WAS ALWAYS A CHRISTIAN HOLIDAY. Yes you heard it right, no you arguing otherwise doesn't make it the truth. Can you see why I find your rant so hilarious now?



So how does Halloween relate to paganism? Well Neo-Pagans(read American 'Pagans') adopted the holiday in the 20th century, a holiday which by that point had existed for over 500 years as a Christian one. (Incidentally it was originally Scottish as a way of overcoming the ridiculous number of Saints birthdays people used to worship). Yeah for the record Paganism never went to America, it was extinguished in Europe in the late 1600's, 300 years later some Yanks thought it would be cool to revive it.

So yeah this is one of the sweet occasions when both sides of the argument are hilariously wrong, thank for bringing this to my attention.

Hey now, no needs to make fun of all us "yanks"...many of us have studied religious history too!

 

[Fuselage]

Wouldn't Jesus laugh his ass off at this?

 

[Mr Grey]

Ah don't get so bent outta shape, the Christians stole every other Pagan holiday (see Christmas), it's kinda what they do. Like Bowser kidnapping Peach every now and then.

They want to worship the bearded dude in the sky? Let them, they can do their thing and you can do yours.

Besides, 'Jesus Ween' just sounds plain stupid anyhow

 

[MichaelTheBold]

How is one religious group's decision to have and promote a separate, sanitized (i.e. boring) version of a holiday violating Freedom of Religion?

Oh right, it isn't. Either you posted the wrong article, or I've slipped into an alternate reality where "Freedom of Religion" means "everyone has to respect my religion".

Or maybe it's opposite day? It's either one of those or you're exactly what you seem to be angry about. Either way, the U.S. Constitution says you can "QQ MOAR PLZ", because it's their right to have, promote, and observe boring holidays.

the act of freedom of religion also implies that no religion will be pressed upon others.

Celebrating in a different manner is not pressing upon others. If they forced others to celebrate as they did there would be a problem.

alright so their protected legally but damn it if someone walks up to me and says "happy jesus-ween" im punching them in the mouth so they can shut up faster.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/10/jesus-ween-christian-halloween_n_1003395.html?1318270211

Okay. So let me get on the rant now.

I am a Pagan. And I for one find this to be bullshit.

Halloween is a sacred holiday. Pagan New Year, my friends. And this bullshit is what makes me hate America.

Let me tell you, I'm done defending the intelligence of this country if no one can follow our own Freedom of Religion bit. Fucking hell, I can't even think straight right now in regards to this. Someone, please post a better rant. I don't even have words. There ARE no words....

so some random religion... = america hate?

right...

anyways, shit like this has gone on forever, maybe not out loud in a news article but always has.

hell down the street, we had a jehovas witness guy, instead of candy he'd pass out a pamphlet that they usually pass out, personally i found it fucking troll hilarious, but i can still see why it's a lame move.

honestly just don't let it bug you so much, you can still have just as much fun/spirit as usual.

 

[tirone231]

The Christians took over every Pagan holiday they could in an effort to covert as many as they could before killing the rest. The majority of them are arrogant in their faith, ignorant of their faith's history, selfish, severely intolerant, and engage in idolatry. Given their history, does this honestly surprise you?

wow, generalization much? Man, sure glad that I'm not a Christian like Martin Luther King Jr, or Thomas Beckett, because they were just assholes, apparently. Hating a religion because of a rushed understanding of its history is also arrogant and selfish

Actually, I've read through the Bible (which is something that not many Christians I've met have done ), and I've studied history, and the impact religion has had on it. it's why I'm a non-believer. Religion is a crutch, and an excuse for behaving badly to other because they are not like you or your. No rushed or abridged history here, just a considered opinion. If you don't like it, oh fucking well. Oh, and pointing out exceptions doesn't invalidate something, it only highlights how exceptional they were.

My only problem here is that you're going after the faith, and not the minority of believers who act that dumb. The Silent majority of Jews/Christians aren't like this, only the vocal minority. Instead of just looking at the Bible, try learning about the context for why it was written, and why certain parts sound the way they are, in other words, Religious history. Religion may be a "crutch" as you say, but for most, it's not a crutch used to attack people, it's a crutch to strengthen one's self against the many troubles in the world...it's why I am a believer.

 

[tirone231]

The Christians took over every Pagan holiday they could in an effort to covert as many as they could before killing the rest. The majority of them are arrogant in their faith, ignorant of their faith's history, selfish, severely intolerant, and engage in idolatry. Given their history, does this honestly surprise you?

wow, generalization much? Man, sure glad that I'm not a Christian like Martin Luther King Jr, or Thomas Beckett, because they were just assholes, apparently. Hating a religion because of a rushed understanding of its history is also arrogant and selfish

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was Baptist.....


and Thomas Becket was Catholic.



Don't ask me what the difference between a Catholic and a Christan is though, fuck all if I know.

Southern Baptist is a sect of Christianity...as is Catholicism....you can be Christian in many different ways:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

Halloween is a sacred holiday. Pagan New Year, my friends.

I pray to my own nonexistent belief you are just trolling.

I find myself unable to continue this post in a civil manner that doesn't liberally insult OP's intelligence, so I will leave it at that

 

[Tselis]

The Christians took over every Pagan holiday they could in an effort to covert as many as they could before killing the rest. The majority of them are arrogant in their faith, ignorant of their faith's history, selfish, severely intolerant, and engage in idolatry. Given their history, does this honestly surprise you?

wow, generalization much? Man, sure glad that I'm not a Christian like Martin Luther King Jr, or Thomas Beckett, because they were just assholes, apparently. Hating a religion because of a rushed understanding of its history is also arrogant and selfish

Actually, I've read through the Bible (which is something that not many Christians I've met have done ), and I've studied history, and the impact religion has had on it. it's why I'm a non-believer. Religion is a crutch, and an excuse for behaving badly to other because they are not like you or your. No rushed or abridged history here, just a considered opinion. If you don't like it, oh fucking well. Oh, and pointing out exceptions doesn't invalidate something, it only highlights how exceptional they were.

My only problem here is that you're going after the faith, and not the minority of believers who act that dumb. The Silent majority of Jews/Christians aren't like this, only the vocal minority. Instead of just looking at the Bible, try learning about the context for why it was written, and why certain parts sound the way they are, in other words, Religious history. Religion may be a "crutch" as you say, but for most, it's not a crutch used to attack people, it's a crutch to strengthen one's self against the many troubles in the world...it's why I am a believer.

I don't know that I would say minority. I was born and raised in the south, as a Lutheran. I can honestly say that the people and people and what they were called upon to believe broke my faith in religion. Now, I strengthen myself when I need it. As for the 'silent majority', well, you know what they say about what happens when good men say nothing. Something about evil ...

 

[TheVioletBandit]

How is one religious group's decision to have and promote a separate, sanitized (i.e. boring) version of a holiday, violating Freedom of Religion?

Oh right, it isn't. Either you posted the wrong article, or I've slipped into an alternate reality where "Freedom of Religion" means "everyone has to respect my religion".

Or maybe it's opposite day?

I'm kind of just... I don't know. I haven't been feeling well today and my mind's just blank. I think I'm just pissed that this bullshit is being glamorized. I'm not saying that Christians are assholes, I'm saying that people who are trying this bullshit are assholes. My apologies for any wrong phrasing, but I'm kinda pulling a blank.

Their not even really assholes, their simply practicing their freedom of religion like everyone else. Just because they don't want to celebrate Halloween doesn't mean their assholes; by that logic Jews not celebrating Christmas would mean their assholes. Personally I love Halloween it's my favorite holiday but if they want to deprive themselves of the fun its no skin off my back or yours. I think you like a majority of people here are just looking for some reason to bash Christianity, but if your a pagan you should promote religious tolerance and respect the beliefs of others.

 

[Enkidu88]

If it's any consolation something as stupid sounding (and dirty sounding if you say it fast enough) as "Jesus Ween" is never going to catch on.

If you're a pagan you should be more offended at Christmas being usurped by christianity, considering December 25th was used by various pagan religions as a time to throw huge celebrations and festivals.

 

[Treblaine]

Speaking as a Brit who was brought up overseas but often in compounds with other Americans I am so disappointed with how po-faced and niggardly the mainstream Brits have been with Halloween.

I mean the British are supposed to be fun-loving, easy going while the Americans are "supposedly" overly serious and stuck-up.

Yet this Take of the Christian tradition is distinctly Canadian is SUCH FUN! You get to dress up in such wacky costumes, meet and interact with your neighbours in the weirdest of ways. I have such fond memories as a child Trick-or-treating except for my worst one year I had Halloween in Scotland and I went out in costume with my brother and sister,

We were the only ones. The few doors we knocked on people ere utterly bewildered and down right frightened.

But how did the BBC characterise Halloween Trick or Treating when it first appeared in Britain (in the 1980's)? They said it was pure commercialism and compare the act of trick or treating to extortion(!) that should be handled by the police! Seriously, where is the Britain that gave us Monty Python when such a fun and social holiday is viewed with such cynicism and hostility.

Worst is how it is dismissed as an "Americanism" as if there was some how a more suitable British equivalent. There isn't.

It's shit like this which is why I admire America so much, it has a sense of community OTHER THAN all the blokes getting shit-faced down at the pub or being rowdy at a football match.

I love how America with this holiday can capture the macabre and make it family friendly yet still exciting. And I don't mind if some Americans want to bring some Jesus into this holiday, I mean "what would Jesus do"? Of course I'm worried they'd go on some anti-gay agenda or some other Christian fundamentalist bullshit but I'd hope they see the good Christian side of this: how this brings communities together in altruism and includes the next generation, really it includes all ages, to just have a real fun and exciting day.

Why is it Americans seem so much more willing to dress up? I mean cosplay especially.

I was lucky, in most of the places I lived overseas We'd have Halloween and then 5 days later bonfire night...

Remember, Remember
The fifth of NOVEMBER
Gunpowder, treason and PLOT
I cannot find a reason, that this treason, should ever. Be. FORGOT!

Shiiit, I remember the MASSIVE bonfires we had, the fireworks, the "penny for a guy", aw good days.

But it's not quite as good as trick or treating.

 

[tirone231]

The Christians took over every Pagan holiday they could in an effort to covert as many as they could before killing the rest. The majority of them are arrogant in their faith, ignorant of their faith's history, selfish, severely intolerant, and engage in idolatry. Given their history, does this honestly surprise you?

wow, generalization much? Man, sure glad that I'm not a Christian like Martin Luther King Jr, or Thomas Beckett, because they were just assholes, apparently. Hating a religion because of a rushed understanding of its history is also arrogant and selfish

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was Baptist.....


and Thomas Becket was Catholic.



Don't ask me what the difference between a Catholic and a Christan is though, fuck all if I know.

Southern Baptist is a sect of Christianity...as is Catholicism....you can be Christian in many different ways:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

... people in my town would hate love and tolerate the shit out of you.


yea, have you seen an angry severely overweight Baptist go off on a kid because he called her a Christian?


Then again..... This is Texas after all, normally its a great state, but when it comes to Religions.....

No worries, my family is originally from Texas. Those kinds of people are still Christians...they're just also idiots.

 

[Dfskelleton]

What? Since when has Christianity been against Halloween? I'm a Christian, and Halloween is my freaking favorite holiday.
Oh, and Jesusween is a really silly sounding name. Couldn't they have picked a better one? Jesus and Halloween, two perfectly fine names sound really bad when mixed.
Well, these guys can celebrate Jesusween. I can be Christian and attempt to pull off some sort of Lovecraftian horror costume. Hmm, Cthulhu would be nice, but he's a little bit too overused. Yog Sothoth would be pretty fun, but dressing like him would require a lot of un-poppable bubbles... suggestions, anyone?

 

[Jamash]

What? Christians are coveting the holiday of Halloween? The Holy Day of All Hallows Eve, aka Hallowmas, aka All Saints' Day, is going to be associated with Christianity?

Oh no, we have to stop this! Quick, fire up the DeLorean and set the Flux Capacitor to 609 AD.

Great Scott!