Would Marvel Actually Split Avengers 3 Into Two Films?

[faefrost]

Fox has never understood how they could have made FF work. Stop rebooting. Stop retelling the same bloody origin story. Just take who they are as a given and jump headfirst into the full blown over the top cosmic awesome that FF is capable of. The FF are explorers. Yet we have never seen them as such on screen. It's not like their powers and origin need a lot to tell. The old Marvel books used to do it in two or three sentences at the top of every page 1. Toss them straight into the cosmic crazy against Anihilus or into the Microverse.

It's understandable that they tried to play it safe at first. They played it safe with the X-Men and that was a success, right? No one knew that the cosmic/fantastic stuff could draw mainstream audiences, so why gamble? Turns out they were wrong. Tough, but it seems they learned all the wrong lessons if the comments of the director and cast of the FF reboot are any indication. After the success of Thor and GotG there's just no excuse for making the FF even more mundane and "grim 'n gritty".

Actually Fox got it right with the first X-Men movie. They didn't try and give an "origin" or "bring the team together" story. Instead they gave the audience a pair of POV characters and them threw them into the existing world and team. And it worked great. Marvel did a similar thing with their version of the Incredible Hulk. They tossed the Ang Lee one, but rather than redo it all, they simply took the Hulks origin as a given, let the viewer decide or debate if it was the Ang Lee movie or the old Bill Bixby TV show and just told a Hulk story. They assumed their audience was fairly intelligent and had absorbed some pop culture over the years. And it worked. (well that part of the movie worked.)

Granted this only works on characters that are pretty well known in the cultural zeitgeist. Superman, Batman, Spiderman, Captain America, Hulk, are probably the main ones. Maybe FF although they have slipped a bit in pop culture awareness. They had a total lost decade of drek in the 90's.

I think part of what made Guardians work so well, besides it was a Star Wars meets Firefly space action-er, was that the heroes and team were so relatively unknown to most that their coming together for once did not feel like an unnecessary retreaded origin story. And what origins they gave us they masked well inside the hit the ground running and never stop action.

I mean think about it, would any of us ever need to see another "with great power..." death of Uncle Ben Parker story ever again? Or a Ms and Pa Kent raising baby Superman? We surely know how Batman begins, we have no further need of retuning any such scenes. so start with an actual story from here on out. Man of Steel did not need all the crap that was in there. Heck you could have skipped Krypton entirely. Have Lois trying to track down the "samaritan" and find out his story. Spend the first half of the movie with that. And only then give a short synopsis before the aliens show up.

 

[C. Cain]

Actually Fox got it right with the first X-Men movie. They didn't try and give an "origin" or "bring the team together" story.

Indeed, they did. They still learned the wrong lessons for their rendition of the FF, though.

I mean think about it, would any of us ever need to see another "with great power..." death of Uncle Ben Parker story ever again? Or a Ms and Pa Kent raising baby Superman?

Well, MoS gave us the double whammy of having Pa Kent pull an Uncle Ben. He even upped the ante by being a terrible father figure whose death was entirely pointless and whose equivalent to the "with great power..." message was muddied, confused, and generally awful. Good thing we had sentient hologram actual dad Russell Crowe to make Pa Kent even more useless. The movie that needed an origin stroy the least also screwed it up the most. Way to go, MoS.

(...) Man of Steel did not need all the crap that was in there. Heck you could have skipped Krypton entirely. Have Lois trying to track down the "samaritan" and find out his story. Spend the first half of the movie with that. And only then give a short synopsis before the aliens show up.

You're right. Most of the movie was superfluous. On the whole it was a dissonant disaster.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

As long as the first part is great and not just full of padding for the sake of splitting it, then im fine. Maybe the Avengers fail in beating Thanos and Hulk goes on a rampage and things look bad......and the Guardians appear at the end.

Maybe in Avengers 3 they could fit new heros in as cameos and maybe make a movie of them if fans like them?