WoW Player Claims Kicked from Guild for Being Deaf

[Arehexes]

I agree with this, besides it's not like he said "Your deaf and we HATE deaf people" it was we can't work well enough using text chat cause we need fast picks.

Oh what rubbish. It's WoW; you go to a location and kill some monsters and then take their loot. What the fuck do you need voice chat for? It's a luxury. FFs if you don't know how to play the game by that point then voice chat won't help. The only time you'd need to send a message is when you want to nip to the toilet or something. This isn't the D Day Landings!

I was fully expecting people like you to come up and marvel us with their wisdom. At least it took a few pages.

I suggest you read the OP more carefully before making a fool of yourself again. That, and maybe try and be less arrogant.

Live one day, ONE FUCKING DAY as either a Deaf person, a blind person, or without a limb. Do it for one damn day and then tell me its 'no big deal', assholes. Being heartless on the internet is easy, isn't it?

The last thing i'd want as a disabled person would be someone's pity. Not hearing music ever again would suck, but trying to raid competitively and drag people down would be terribly selfish of me.

Your arrogance is laughable. Grow up. If your need to play a video game 'competitively' excludes you from being friendly and welcoming to a fellow player with a disability then you don't deserve to be in the game. If i was Blizzard i'd personally kick the **** out the game permanently as an example. You can either choose to be a **** in this life or a decent human being. If you think that a deaf guy on a raid is that much of a hindrance to your game experience then you have my sympathy; at least you can find someone else to play with.

First off it's not that he was deaf that got him kicked, he just couldn't raid which pissed him off, then he started a fight with the guild leader which lead to him being kicked.

Second don't tell people how to play, you act like everyone needs to play how you play which is stupid. If you were on a MLG team and couldn't pull your weight and lost a few matches I bet they would kick you out. I don't play competitively, but I have friends I do and I wouldn't ask to join them because I suck at most fps games. Also I would suggest not to play on Xbox Live cause you will run in to people who will yell and ***** at ya for not "winning" for the team.

 

[Arehexes]

First off it's not that he was deaf that got him kicked, he just couldn't raid which pissed him off, then he started a fight with the guild leader which lead to him being kicked.

Yeah, because heaven forfend some poor fucker who just wants to join in with his friends and play a game he enjoys should get upset at the selfish **** who won't show an ounce of fucking compassion and make an exception in a fucking video game.

No, let's just portray the situation as heartlessly and in as binary and ridiculous a way as possible to make ourselves feel better about what was basically a massively selfish act on the part of a total and utter ****.

And the likes of MLG are among the shittest things to happen to gaming: a bunch of smug wankers that suck the joy out of it in their endless quest to make other peopl look small.

It's cunts like that that have ruined pretty much every online experience i've ever seen.

The thing is that you're not getting is they enjoy it and they love competition. Do you hate sports teams too because they play to win also, I was shocked I lasted as long as I did on my high school swim team (and I'm a fat and slow S.O.B., the slowest on the team) but if I wasn't allowed to compete I wouldn't cry about it they want to win. And he seems to have raided with them before so maybe he was competitive with them also.

End of the day your just harping how you hate how people play and wish they didn't play they way you hate. Why not get rid of multiplayer all together because where ever there is competition in some form it will get much more fierce.

 

[Arehexes]

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A serious threat?

Listen to yourself!

A serious, as in hardly compensable, threat to the success of the raid, and by extension the fun of everyone involved. Are you saying because this person had an accident, he suddenly has the right to spoil the fun and freetime of a considerable number of other people?

Grow up ffs, grow the fuck up.

Dude stop being a douche, he ask a good question. Should one person spoil the fun of the whole group? If that could was a turkey farm and the deaf kid was a sick chick he would have been stomped on to keep the others from being sick. Same thing, he wasn't allowed to raid because he would have hamped the groups fun. He gets mad and fights with the Guild Leader and then gets banned.

 

[Jewrean]

WOW sucks I played the trial and just ran around for ten minutes as a priest before getting fucking killed then I was like...fuck this shit!

RPGs (and MMORPGs especially) aren't about quick exciting thrills and violence. It's a progressive experience that builds and builds as your character does. As you learn more and more about the world and what populates it you become attached to it and your character. It isn't about a single battle with a giant rat in the forest or something, you need to take the game in it's entirety before you can have a genuine opinion of a MMORPG. For something with a much clearer feedback might I recommend anything on a games console.

As someone with the word 'Jew' in there name I'm sure you'll understand brother.

I like the elder scrolls games though. I might have played WOW if I started playing it when it first came out

I tried it for a while when the first expansion came out. It's really slow going. But if you give it a chance it becomes addictive very quickly. Once you reach the capital cities, start making bonds with other players, and start raiding the dungeons you feel like you actually make an impact... at least for a short while.

 

[Athinira]

The people saying that Vent is required for raiding: You're wrong. In fact, you're DEAD wrong.

Intelligence, intuition and preperation is (and will always be) the primary factor for succes.

Specifically, people with disabled senses often find amazing ways to compensate once attuned to their lacking senses. No, that doesn't mean he will perform 100% of how he did before, but even 95% is acceptable, especially if his general level was already above other guildmembers which are still being brought to raid.

The communication requirement for deaf people isn't that harsh if they know the tactics, and in that case, giving the essential info to the deaf guy in text doesn't take long and isn't the slightest bit complicated, so the only excuse for not doing it that way is because you're either amongst the top XX guilds in the world or because you're lazy.

So in short, unless he wasn't any good at WoW to begin with, then:
- The guild was a bunch of douches
- The kick was unnecessary (as was any exclusion of him from raiding)
- Anyone saying the guild was right, is wrong. Period.

And yes, this is by Cataclysm raiding standards as well. Cataclysm raids raised the intelligence requirements for raiding, yes, that still isn't going to matter for people who meet the intelligence requirements.

Of course, all of this could more or less have been alleviated for disabled people even more if Blizzard hadn't thrown a hissyfit over the AVR addon being the idiots that they are sometimes. Fortunatly HudMap still exists, although it's an inferior solution.

 

[SageRuffin]

Am I missing something here? I was certain that the guy was kicked AND THEN IGNORED by people he thought were his friends. You hang around some people for long certainly at least one of those guys you would call a friend. So what I gathered was that the problem wasn't him being kicked out of a raiding guild for suddenly becoming deaf, but those people kicked him out and then shunned him entirely because of a freak accident.

Did I misread something? Let me know, otherwise everyone here sounds like they've missed the point entirely.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

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A serious threat?

Listen to yourself!

A serious, as in hardly compensable, threat to the success of the raid, and by extension the fun of everyone involved. Are you saying because this person had an accident, he suddenly has the right to spoil the fun and freetime of a considerable number of other people?

Grow up ffs, grow the fuck up.

How about you pack your shit in. Realise that there are WoW Guilds that play to win against the hardest content Blizzard can throw at them. You have to be a well oiled machine to do that, end of story.

When I played WOW (it's important to remember that I quit at level 36) I did 4 successful raids and never once was there someone with a headset.

I hope the guild leader is perma-banned.

If you quit at level 36 then you NEVER got within pissing distance of a raid. Raids are large instances designed to be done by players at level cap, so at a minimum you're 24 levels away from anything resembling a raid.


On the topic at hand it sounds like our OP overreacted to being told no, understandable due to extreme circumstances. His guild leader had every right to revoke his raiding spot if he was no longer able to communicate effectively; text does not cut in a Raid.

However; his removal from the guild is very odd; the guild leader should maybe have let him have his rant and cool off. Then come back to discuss it again later so cooler heads may have prevailed.

That said, from I understand, this guy has gone and had the ultimate revenge, as it were. He's formed his own crew and that puts him in a position to kick his old guild where it hurts.

I wish him luck.

 

[Littlee300]

That's fair enough. I understand that text chat is far from the most efficient way to do things, but they should've made an effort to work around his condition.

And screw over 9 people for the sake of one? Uh, no. If i became deaf i'd leave the guild myself instead of leeching off their pity.

Anyway this is kind of old news. Naxxramas ceased to be relevant a month ago, and it was the least important of raids regardless. This happened long ago.

Here's where my point is:
"WoW is a video game."
Not a job.

"Hey guys, i just bought a game of Twister, i'll bring it home this weekend and start a party and we'll have so much fun. Oh and there's this hobo i'm inviting too, make sure you treat him nice and pretend like he doesn't smell. What, you're complaining? IT'S A GAME, NOT A JOB! I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW INSENSITIVE YOU PEOPLE ARE".

Being smelly is the hobo's fault, isn't it? Not the cruel work of the world.

 

[Littlee300]

Having someone in a raid that can't communicate over voice chat is a serious threat to all 9/24 other people playing (who have the same right of having fun as the deaf guy.)

Also, funny how most people fail to read that after he was told he couldn't raid with them, he got pissed and hat a blowout with the guild leader. And picking a fight if you disagree with a decision gets you kicked out of most sports teams / clans / guilds. And rightfully so.

Oi, if they just prepared the deaf guy in the first place with knowledge of the dungeon before hand then he would be ok. Being deaf doesn't kick you out of most sports. These are ears not hands!

 

[Littlee300]

find a new guild....seriously....is it really that difficult....

I am guessing he got attached to his cyber friends. Obviously he isn't hardened.

 

[Glaive_21842]

Now normally i would just have to say "thems the breaks". He can't expect a job in telemarketing or the like, so if he cant vent then oh well. Of course, homework and DBMs change this argument a lot. If he can still raid effectively with these tools, then there's not really a problem, and the guild has nothing to lose in at least trying.

...then i read that he'd been with his guild for 4 years. This guild no longer has an excuse. Dick move, guild. Dick move.

 

[Littlee300]

How about you pack your shit in. Realise that there are WoW Guilds that play to win against the hardest content Blizzard can throw at them. You have to be a well oiled machine to do that, end of story Don't argue with me because I am right! <.<.

Oi, just preparation beforehand and he if ever made a mistake that actually caused a raid wipe they could tell him what he did wrong in one sentence and then revive. Unless he also had was dumb I have no sympathy for the guild.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

How about you pack your shit in. Realise that there are WoW Guilds that play to win against the hardest content Blizzard can throw at them. You have to be a well oiled machine to do that, end of story Don't argue with me because I am right! <.<.

Oi, just preparation beforehand and he if ever made a mistake that actually caused a raid wipe they could tell him what he did wrong in one sentence and then revive. Unless he also had was dumb I have no sympathy for the guild.

Voice communication is the most effective system for about 90% of guilds. It takes rare talent and lots of experience to do the raids without it. I don't have that talent; so I rely on the voice chat.

If this guy has the talent, no doubt with good leadership he'll take his guild far. Which is the best way to get back at the crew that kicked him out; don't get mad, get even and then some.

 

[Del-Toro]

To be honest, it doesn't sound like being deaf got this guy kicked from his guild. I will grant that it meant he couldn't raid anymore, because his guild felt he would be a liability. You don't see them letting deaf people into militaries, if you're going to be relying on a form of audio communication, it's important to be able to actually hear. I'm fairly certain it was the tantrum he threw that got him kicked out. Generally speaking it's that kind of thing that get's you kicked out of more casual guilds, and if that's the case then he doesn't get any sympathy from me because he's deaf. I mean, it sucks that he's deafened but that doesn't give him any extra moral high ground for his tantrum.

 

[Littlee300]

How about you pack your shit in. Realise that there are WoW Guilds that play to win against the hardest content Blizzard can throw at them. You have to be a well oiled machine to do that, end of story Don't argue with me because I am right! <.<.

Oi, just preparation beforehand and he if ever made a mistake that actually caused a raid wipe they could tell him what he did wrong in one sentence and then revive. Unless he also had was dumb I have no sympathy for the guild.

Voice communication is the most effective system for about 90% of guilds. It takes rare talent and lots of experience to do the raids without it. I don't have that talent; so I rely on the voice chat.

If this guy has the talent, no doubt with good leadership he'll take his guild far. Which is the best way to get back at the crew that kicked him out; don't get mad, get even and then some.

DBM
He has been with the guild for 4 years already
it takes no more then 5 minutes to give him all the advice he needs

 

[HellspawnCandy]

It's what happens with WoW, desensitized jerks sometimes act crude for no reason. But I can see why the guild leader did such a terrible thing, if his guild cleared naxx 10man once or even a few times then there's something going wrong. Anyways you can do an entire raid with just dbm and having knowledge of mechanics and such. Good to know that people are supporting him though.

 

[emeraldrafael]

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Maybe, but it stands to reason. Besides, its more then the snowball fight (also, diversity is better rather then worse. I know the woods and survival instincts like the back of my hand and my black friend has military training so together we beat any regular person of any color). You said yourself, its a kids game, just its being played by teenagers. WoW is a kid's game. Yes, perhaps you need to be older to understand all of its fine points, but its still a kids game, cause an eight year old can get on and play, its a kids game. People are jerks, but rules should be made. When you make a system, you as a developer should take the responsibility to make such rules not able to exist. This maybe blowing it out of proportion, but where does this stop? You'll get guilds that dont let you in based on the color of your skin (in real life and/or as avatar), gender, and/or race.

Also, perhaps you are missing this, but he lost his real social life. I dont see a WoW addict, I see a person who just wants to find a place where he can be accepted. Is that so wrong? To want to be somehwere where you can be accepted? I dont think so, but then again, I'm an idealist, nothing wrong with that. I'm realistic about my expectations, but that doesnt mean you cant look forward to hope to change.

And they do make games for people who suffer seizures. They tell you how long you should play if you read the instructions, tell you this game could cause seizures. Its not ostracizing in the industry when you make games like that, its the person's ignorance. On the reverse, I dont see it as ignorance to want to play an MMORPG and think that at least one group will accept you. Should we hate the other guilds that rejected him? No, hate's a strong expression. But it should be frowned on if they rejected him for being deaf or that they wont let him participate in one of the key aspects of the game for being deaf? Of course. Its not right, IMO.

I cant go much farther with this, I know I wont change your mind, but that was never my intention. I just cant go farther without delving into your personal life, and neither I nor you want that. But thats my piece on it. Its just where you draw the line.

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If you're being serious, thank you. I try my best, thats about it. Sorry, I dont pick up on sarcasm well, and its been used against me before in guise of being nice.

 

[Salem_Wolf]

If you're being serious, thank you. I try my best, thats about it. Sorry, I dont pick up on sarcasm well, and its been used against me before in guise of being nice.

Nope. I was being serious, I really enjoyed reading your reply. I had to click to see what I said but hah, no I was serious.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

How about you pack your shit in. Realise that there are WoW Guilds that play to win against the hardest content Blizzard can throw at them. You have to be a well oiled machine to do that, end of story Don't argue with me because I am right! <.<.

Oi, just preparation beforehand and he if ever made a mistake that actually caused a raid wipe they could tell him what he did wrong in one sentence and then revive. Unless he also had was dumb I have no sympathy for the guild.

Voice communication is the most effective system for about 90% of guilds. It takes rare talent and lots of experience to do the raids without it. I don't have that talent; so I rely on the voice chat.

If this guy has the talent, no doubt with good leadership he'll take his guild far. Which is the best way to get back at the crew that kicked him out; don't get mad, get even and then some.

DBM
He has been with the guild for 4 years already
it takes no more then 5 minutes to give him all the advice he needs

DBM does not allow for on the fly changes that may occur and typing them would take too long during an active encounter.

 

[Kortney]

I think the saying: "It's a game" can be applied here to both parties.

Considering he had been through a rather tragic event and was looking for some escapism in WoW, I assure you it was more than "just a game" for him at the moment.

Hence why he needs to be reminded it is just a game.