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WindKnight

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ok, Interesting but lengthy video (55 minutes just under) that may be of interest.

Jonathan Clements, who has worked as journalist on, script translator, dubbing director and even voice actor in anime for nearly two decades gives a presentation about misconceptions about anime and how they have come about over the years.

http://youtu.be/BevPFBmOdig
 

Palademon

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Since this is going to take a while for me to watch, I shall say that this sounds interesting.

Edit: Ok, people, the OP's words wer ebasiclaly the short version. It's probably all the misconcenptions you'd expect but it runs through the history of why they happened.
 

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Could I get a precis of it?

Just to let you know, I'm not going to watch, hell I've got anime to watch. Suffice to say, you're going to get misconceptions of it regardless of how long the west is going to be exposed to it so... see you after Hyouka ep15.
 

Soviet Heavy

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SckizoBoy said:
Could I get a precis of it?

Just to let you know, I'm not going to watch, hell I've got anime to watch. Suffice to say, you're going to get misconceptions of it regardless of how long the west is going to be exposed to it so... see you after Hyouka ep15.
He's explaining how the mass market and mainstream audiences view anime and how their misconceptions helped shape the anime market.

He starts out talking about how Osamu Tezuka started the trend of limited animation, and how shows like Kimba the White Lion launched the early days of anime. Limited animation, family friendly, japanese language and culture edited or censored out to appeal for foreign markets.

Moves onto 1980s anime, with the rise of the teen market, where anime became recognized as a japanese item rather than covering up the origins. Violence, sex, and how films like Akira and Legend of the Overfiend colored anime as perverse cartoons meant to turn people into serial rapists and violent freaks.

the split at 1997, when Pokemon rocketed onto the scene, and the major shift of viewing 90s anime as violent carnage to another form of kids media. Shows scenes from the Simpsons and South Park showing the bizarre ideas foreign people had about Japan, and how anime's view changed to a kids thing.

Studio Ghibli and Disney. Miyazaki threatens Disney to make sure they don't edit his films after the "Warriors of the Wind" Naussicaa clusterfuck. Spirited Away wins an Oscar.

Oscar win makes markets think that all anime is Oscar material, leading to the massive influx of new shows around the early 2000s, as distribution companies bought up every single title they could get their hands on in the hopes of making another mega success like Studio Ghibli without realizing how specific Ghibli is.

Talks about how Tarantino's Kill Bill anime sequence created a throwback to the 80s ultraviolence shlock titles, bringing about more adult content after the Pokemon kid boom.

Ends talking about how the massive buying of distribution rights started to bite people in the ass, since not everything was selling thousands of copies anymore. While something might be extremely popular in Japan, it is only focusing on a niche audience, buying at ridiculously inflated prices, it doesn't get the same appeal outside the country, selling at lower prices. So Otakus buying something for $700 and selling 700 copies is good in Japan, but selling only 700 copies for $30.99 outside Japan is a disaster.

The ever increasing niche markets, lack of sales for mainstream shows thanks to streaming sites relying on ad revenue like Crunchyroll, and the price of animation going up instead of down might lead to a market crash in a few years.

All in all, it was a very interesting sit.
 

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I feel I already know everything in this video but I'm watching it regardless. Will report with results in an hour. :p
 

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So, US anime licensors/distributors need to be more in touch with what's actually popular.

Gee, you'd think that'd be easy to accomplish. What other industry has free market [http://nyaa.eu/] testing? [http://www.animesuki.com/]
 

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evilneko said:
Soviet Heavy said:
So, US anime licensors/distributors need to be more in touch with what's actually popular.

Gee, you'd think that'd be easy to accomplish. What other industry has free market [http://nyaa.eu/] testing? [http://www.animesuki.com/]
This was back in 2002, remember. While doubtless many of the licenses bought back then failed to turn a profit, and probably didn't turn out nearly as well as the distributors hoped, the gigantic influx caused by Spirited Away's acclaim is probably the reason why those market tests are even around.

Then there is the divide between how sales are done between countries. In Japan, a show can be sold to a hundred people for insane prices and be considered successful. In North America, to be successful you need to sell in bulk. Thousands of copies need to be sold to turn a profit, and with how narrow the markets are becoming due to niche audience focus, that could cripple the industry. They can't survive off ad revenue alone, and if the distributors started selling at the inflated otaku prices to break even, the shows would sell even less.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
evilneko said:
Soviet Heavy said:
So, US anime licensors/distributors need to be more in touch with what's actually popular.

Gee, you'd think that'd be easy to accomplish. What other industry has free market [http://nyaa.eu/] testing? [http://www.animesuki.com/]
This was back in 2002, remember. While doubtless many of the licenses bought back then failed to turn a profit, and probably didn't turn out nearly as well as the distributors hoped, the gigantic influx caused by Spirited Away's acclaim is probably the reason why those market tests are even around.

Then there is the divide between how sales are done between countries. In Japan, a show can be sold to a hundred people for insane prices and be considered successful. In North America, to be successful you need to sell in bulk. Thousands of copies need to be sold to turn a profit, and with how narrow the markets are becoming due to niche audience focus, that could cripple the industry. They can't survive off ad revenue alone, and if the distributors started selling at the inflated otaku prices to break even, the shows would sell even less.
Hmm, pretty sure AnimeSuki was around back then. ;)

I'd really like to see some breakdown of sales on individual volumes, box sets, and special editions. There's gotta be plenty of people who buy the individual volumes--hell I've been one of them before--because they keep putting them out. But, most everyone I know just waits for the box sets. I generally take it one further and not buy anything I haven't seen fansubs of (grrr Legend of Crystania)....and all the way through. (*shakes fist at Gunslinger Girl's nonending*)

Oh, and I'd totally pay $100+ for a complete set of all of the Kojika that's been animated so far. >:D Not that it'll ever happen due to the subject matter....

I think they also need to do a few more re-releases.. I'm still running on VHS tapes for about 1/4-1/3rd of my collection. :/ Granted some are seeing re-release on BluRay, but I don't have a player.
 

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evilneko said:
I'd really like to see some breakdown of sales on individual volumes, box sets, and special editions. There's gotta be plenty of people who buy the individual volumes--hell I've been one of them before--because they keep putting them out. But, most everyone I know just waits for the box sets. I generally take it one further and not buy anything I haven't seen fansubs of (grrr Legend of Crystania)....and all the way through. (*shakes fist at Gunslinger Girl's nonending*)
Most companies tend to be rather antsy about specific figures, in case they make things sound worse than they're saying they are. It doesn't help that both western and eastern concerns can act a bit stroppy if called on something. The anime series and company mentioned in the amazon mass buy section of the presentation were edited out because the companies involved could get nasty (the SchoolGirl Milky Crisis name is pretty much a stand-in title Clements whips out anytime naming the real show could drop him in the crap with someone)
 

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This guy is very very right, especially about online streaming. As someone who is subscribed to the majority of things Funimation, I can tell you all that they get next to no views on the majority of their videos. I can't imagine how hard it is for lesser known distributors to get their obscure titles seen.
 

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So having watched this, nothing new was learned but it was nice hearing of the discrepancy between hentai sold and actual anime fans existing. That's some pretty hefty numbers you can't really argue with.



Oh and it was nice to nostalgia about all those 80s series...even though I grew up in the 90s they still showed lots of 80s stuff in Greece so those are among the main things I grew up with. :D
 

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As someone who doesn't watch that much Anime, a lot of what he said was new information for me. It's always interesting to learn about something new. Thanks for posting, Windknight.