WTH at all the X1 hate?

[grey_space]

Again I am the troll because if I have a viewpoint which is pro-X1, I work for microsoft. I have heard your lines before...

The X1 stood for the PC-itization of Consoles, now its back to last generation...

And again, consoles are multi-media systems. For the best gaming experience, get a gaming PC...

And we have heard all you lines before. Though I will give you props for originality in that you seem to be combining the most odious character traits of Microsoft fanboyism and PC-Master race elitism in your op. Its a lovely neat package.

You like XboxOne? Cool, fair play to you.

A lot of other people don't.

What Microsoft was doing with their always online console was incredibly elitist and was abandoning a lot of their userbase.

And please, Define 'best gaming experience?'

My gaming experience is not your gaming experience.

 

[Kushan101]

I wont rehash the litany of reasons people hated the Xbone but you ask the question, 'Did literally NO ONE see the benefits of an always online console?'

And this is exactly the point: Microsoft didn't show us any benefits! They showed us TV, Sports, COD Dog, and tried to shove a multitude of anti-consumer practices down our throats. When anyone anyone had the temerity to ask about the restrictions they were either fobbed off or patronized. When they finally got round to mentioning the plus points, like the Cloud and Family Sharing, they seemed like they had no idea what they were talking about. Different people gave different impressions and tried to weasel out and redirect straight questions. In short they came across like dodgy used-car salesmen.

'So...why do we need DRM?'
'Hey, why don't you wanna come with us to the FUTURE?'

'Could you nail down exactly how the Family Sharing is gonna work?
'Did you SEE Titanfall?'

As consumers it's not our job to search high and low for possible benefits, it's up to Microsoft to show them to us. They failed spectacularly.

This. Very much this. They were so unctuous and slippery when it came to ANY question.

You know when you are watching a program like "the office" and find it almost painful to watch because David Brent is so embarrassing (to any outside the UK who doesn't know what I mean, just youtube it. Good god)? That was how I felt watching ANY Xbone announcements after E3.

I think the crowning achievement was when people asked if it was true that you'd lose access to your games if you were banned on XBL - a fair assumption, since how is it going to verify your connection if the account you're using to go online with is banned - and we were told "absolutely not" by (that idiot) Major Nelson. Hang on though, did that mean that all games would be locked onto the console? what if the console breaks? Do I lose all my games and end up with a useless collection of game discs?

Every single feature of the Xbox One was so poorly thought through, had limitations that didn't benefit anyone - seriously, how does signing in every 24 hours benefit either us or Microsoft? Is it to update those awful adverts on the splash screen on startup?

Nothing was explained, and when it was, it either had huge restrictions or had been very poorly thought through.

The initial unveiling of the Xbox One spoke volumes, who is going to be waiting for the Xbox One announcement? Gamers. Gamers are going to be the ones sitting on the edge of their seats, counting down the hours till they see the Xbox One, its hardware specs, the new games being released on it. So what did they do? talk about nothing but being able to watch TV on it, with no mention of gaming.
MS seem to have a real problem of understanding anything that their customers want - the only reason they have reversed decision on the Xbox One is because the PS4 was outselling it, by some (admittedly anonymous) accounts, by 3 to 1.

I am also not comfortable with the Kinect 2.0 sitting and watching me all the time either, this thing can monitor up to 8 people and can even read your heartrate through your face. Sounds impressive, but anyone who's even read a headline with the word "PRISM" in it in the last 3 weeks should be very, very concerned about it. Yeah yeah, you can "turn it off" - you can't unplug it though can you? Otherwise the console doesn't work. I don't think its paranoid to be suspicious of this thing.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

It is simply another mis-step by Microsoft, see also: Windows 8.

...

As this point I would type something along the lines of 'Welcome to the Escapist!' along with a few rules/in-jokes but at this point you've clearly outstayed your welcome.

 

[SecondPrize]

Did literally NO ONE see the benefits of an always online console? And good god not one media story about it either, instead the media literally jumped on the hate train to get views. Oh yeah and when the X1 backs off its Always Online, its "spineless backpedaling", but when the PS4 drops the Playstation Eye basically abandoning any advanced motion control gaming experience in the next generation to die, so it could beat the XB1's pricing, its "listening to the consumer". Ok guys.

And everyone also glosses over all the PS4's faults like its nothing too (PS4 charging just as much for far inferior and far less secure online functionality, much fewer multimedia features, far less robust cloud infrastructure, etc...) well I think its cuz all the XB360 fans jumped ship, and they weren't the smartest bunch, and thus you are in the situation we are in today. As a PC Gamer I was looking forward to the old X1 for a TV gaming solution. If you guys "only care about the games" and want the best dedicated gaming system, you would not be buying a PS4. You would be buying a gaming PC. You are getting a console b/c you want it to compliment the stuff in your living room and/or you can't be damned to make a gaming PC.

There are benefits to consumers in having a console online. There were no benefits to consumers in having a requirement to put a console online once a day.

 

[BabuNu]

Gaming PCs are getting better but they're generally either very expensive or a huge pain in the ass to build. Consoles have always primarily been gaming machines and should continue to be. We don't need TV, YouTube and all the other bullshit integrated into them - we have laptops/desktops for that and I don't hear anyone complaining.

As far as I can see, the two main problems (i.e. the ones they backtracked on) are always online and no used games.

Always online: This is just stupid and unnecessary. My PS3 is pretty much always online but I'd be pissed off if my internet went down and it meant I couldn't play single player games on my console. I can't see any kind of consumer benefit to this idea, surely having the option to be both online and offline is better than being forced to be online all the time? Also, Diablo 3, Sim City. 'nuff said.

No Used Games: Fuck you Microsoft. If I buy something then I should be able to sell it. I know the move to digital is inevitable and that there's the question of whether you can really own a non-physical thing but I feel like Microsoft is trying to force me into something that's beneficial for them and has no benefits for me. Surely there's a better way to move to a digital distribution model, with no used games, than trying to ram it down our throats before we're ready for it. I can only speak for the UK Playstation Network but I've seen many situations where a new AAA game is released on the PSN for £60, and it goes for £40 in the local shops! I can understand that we'd be expected to pay more for the convenience of just being able to download it, but that needs to be weighed against the facts that people, in general, don't like change, and that people have much more trust in a physical game than something that's been downloaded and is tied to their account. If games went online for £30 when they were released, I'd probably buy them digitally. My point is that we could be eased into a digital distribution model, if it was done correctly and actually had an up-side for us. We're less likely to be receptive to such a big change when it's forced upon us with no benefits, just because it's 'The Future'.

I'm not a huge fan of pineapple, but I'd be much more likely to try it if presented as a dessert in a restaurant. I'd be less pleased if Bill Gates rammed a whole one down and up my throat and ass, respectively.

 

[DazBurger]

ALSO what pisses me off is why are you guys glad all these features are gone from the X1? Ppl who were buying the X1 wanted them, you guys didn't, you still aren't buying the X1, and you never will be. So why was it changed, argh, just for whiners who are going to buy the PS4 anyway!

As being one of the "you guys" on the hate-train, I would like to share my reasons.

Being a 360-owner I WAS going to buy the One80 until MS announced their much hated "features".

I wasen't really that mad, I mean, MS had just saved me alot of money, by persuading me not to buy their console.
Buuut I had my fears, that this extreme version of the profit-over-consumers-mentality would become the new "thing".

After being denounced by two major groups of consumers (The gamers and the armed forces) MS realized that to earn money with a console, people actually had to buy it.

And now that the One80 seems to become the console I hoped for... Will I buy it?

Spoiler

Hell no! They have already shown their mindset towards the users. Let them roast slowly in their own fat until they show some damned goodwill.

 

[briankoontz]

Now with the TV shows, I have to see these shows before I can comment on the good or bad elements of them. The idea of a halo show is completely uninspiring but hey I could be wrong, it could be the next Babylon 5. Only time will tell.

There's already a Halo "tv show" - Red vs. Blue.

 

[masticina]

Well they kinda boned it. It is hard to put a positive spin on the original plans. I mean they wanted to take FULL CONTROL over your games.. and then we're very unclear about what you would get in return. Oh yes we heard gamesharing but no details.. no how it would be done.

So people we're left with the feeling of losing control of their games. To many their games still is their property.. I know developers might not like it but it still is that people desire to be the owner of the disc..of the game.

Microsoft had some deals with developers to take away said rights.. and it burned them.

So that is why simple as it goes. Oh and yes I am sure the same developers talked to Sony. But Sony as Jim said, did nothing, nothing good yet nothing bad either.

Yes I totally expect that they would have been able to put the same kind of DRM system up. And if they did choice was very little. WiiU? PC?

But Sony didn't so they we're not the bad guys. Simple as that..

And lets be fair Microsoft PR are currently JERKS.. one gaffe after the other!

Hell a console launch bound to only 21 countries.. because of DRM. That is sad!

 

[DazBurger]

....you can really blame Microsoft for changing it, you know. =P They're the ones who decided your money wasn't good enough for them.

who's money are they getting? Not yours. I haven't met a single person who was swayed by their dumb move, everyone's happy that the DRM is gone, patting themselves on the back, and saying "never forgive, never forget, still getting a PS4", so why bother catering to the tards?

Forgiving is nice and all, but it kinda more than someone to just stop being an asshole. Such as an apology.

 

[KOMega]

Did literally NO ONE see the benefits of an always online console?

I in fact do not see.
Please enlighten me with a factual list. That would be most appreciated.

Also, only list facts that sell the X1 on it's own merits.
For example, don't say: The X1 is more powerful than the PS4 because...
You can say that the X1 has say: because it's always online you get X, for example.
I want to analyze the X1, not the PS4 right now.

 

[deadish]

Do you really have to ask?

It's not as if there are several billion youtube videos explaining it already.

http://youtu.be/9ekOtn7L1N0

http://youtu.be/ryB-hdtpQRw

http://youtu.be/xcXdWRJ-xb4

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

Did literally NO ONE see the benefits of an always online console?

Did I seriously just read that? Video games are data stored on a disk/hard drive. You physically have no need for Internet connection

 

[MrGalactus]

This has all been said about one million times now. The Xbone is disliked because of what it stood for as much as for what it was.
Nobody disputed Sony's shortfalls, they were simply golden by comparison.


How long have you worked at Microsoft?

Again I am the troll because if I have a viewpoint which is pro-X1, I work for microsoft. I have heard your lines before...

The X1 stood for the PC-itization of Consoles, now its back to last generation...

And again, consoles are multi-media systems. For the best gaming experience, get a gaming PC...

PCs having online DRM is the WORST THING ABOUT THEM! A lack of creative monopoly, customisation through mods, and unlimited upgrade-ability is what's good about them, not having to bend over for EA every time you boot up SimCity

 

[bandit0802]

Look, all the online features Microsoft wanted the XB1 to do were great ideas. They were just asking too much. Always online doesn't affect me, but they released the number of countries with a stable enough internet infrastructure, and the product wouldn't be available to half the world.

Using the cloud to help speed up processing power: Sounds great! Automatically updating games and apps even when the system is in standby: Sony does that if you have a PS+ subscription and I like that. The family sharing: great idea, but I'm the only one in my family who keeps up with games. Being able to install games completely so I don't have to put the disc in: convenient.

Forcing me to install the game, and then taking away my ability to trade it in if I don't like it: controlling and oppressive. Turning off my ability to play video games if I haven't "checked in" in 24 hours: if I pay $500 for a piece of equipment, I expect it to be allowed to use it whenever I want, barring any extreme mechanical or software issues.

As for the Kinect, I barely use the one I have now. It's just plain unreliable. There's no reason to FORCE anyone to use it.

So, yeah, those were my issues with the XB1. The features were nice, but the restrictions were just too much. Now that the restrictions are gone, I plan on getting one eventually.

And don't say that a gaming PC is a "dedicated gaming machine." That's what consoles are. PC games were started out of convenience for people who already had PCs and didn't want to buy a console just for gaming. They're a multi-use platform. When I buy a PC, I use it for lots of things, but I make sure it's specced out for gaming just in case I want to use it for that. I like that my consoles to Netflix, etc, but I buy them to play games and enjoy the convenience of having those other things. If wanted something I could just watch movies and tv on, most Blu Ray players do those things.

Ok, rant over.

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

I just wanted to say, after reading the first page of back and forth comments from OP and the community, this whole thread is really, really sad and OP doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. This thread should probably be locked

 

[Chaos Isaac]

The problem with the X1?

Half of the features they had for it were for restricting what I could do. And as someone who has friends who can not afford internet, and regularly spends time with them playing games, the X1 is entirely useless for sitting on the couch and playing games with my friends.

PS4, while not doing anything new, doesn't restrict me like that. And unlike the Wii U, seems to have games I'm interested in coming out for it.

So, no I don't see benefits to being always online, it doesn't seem worth it. And I prefer game consoles over PC gaming because it's simple. I don't have to worry about DRM or fiddling with my system to make my games work. I put it in and play. Not to mention, I really don't have the Techyknowhow to upgrade/keep my PC up to date.

 

[doomed89]

Did literally NO ONE see the benefits of an always online console? And good god not one media story about it either, instead the media literally jumped on the hate train to get views. Oh yeah and when the X1 backs off its Always Online, its "spineless backpedaling", but when the PS4 drops the Playstation Eye basically abandoning any advanced motion control gaming experience in the next generation to die, so it could beat the XB1's pricing, its "listening to the consumer". Ok guys.

And everyone also glosses over all the PS4's faults like its nothing too (PS4 charging just as much for far inferior and far less secure online functionality, much fewer multimedia features, far less robust cloud infrastructure, etc...) well I think its cuz all the XB360 fans jumped ship, and they weren't the smartest bunch, and thus you are in the situation we are in today. As a PC Gamer I was looking forward to the old X1 for a TV gaming solution. If you guys "only care about the games" and want the best dedicated gaming system, you would not be buying a PS4. You would be buying a gaming PC. You are getting a console b/c you want it to compliment the stuff in your living room and/or you can't be damned to make a gaming PC.

There were no benefits to see lol. The benefits was just PR bs made up by MS. Also having a camera require in a console was stupid, and Sony figured that out before announcing it to the world (there were leaks and what not but it was never revealed in a press conference) where MS just lied and pretended them screwing us over was a good thing for us until the low preorder numbers and Sony not following them made them see they can screw us over that obviously and get away with it.

Also PS4 is charging less and you get alot more with psn+ then you do xbl gold plus it's not inferior or less secure if anything psn is more secure then xbl, I'm sure you'll go back to the hack in this but two things to consider: 1. If xbl was hacked MS wouldn't tell the cops or the press they'd just cover it up and 2. After the hacker Sony significantly increase it's security so even if theoretically xbl was significantly more secure then psn before the hack it isn't anymore. And of course in games the gameplay is the same, Sony actually uses more dedicated servers then MS in games, most of the differences like cross game chat have to do with the 360 OS having more RAM allocated to it.

No 360 fans aren't the smartest bunch, they were 360 fans lol, but they were at least smart enough to jump ship and the tv thing is just so kinect can target ad and gauge their effectiveness and send the data back to MS. Also people who are all about the games do get consoles, why because consoles have more games then pc but more then that they are more hassle free.

You really think ppl who are all about "games first" are going to buy the X1? HELL NO, they are buying the PS4. Simply cuz its cheaper and b/c the PS4 didn't try and "screw them over". By using internet. Which they have. Keep in mind the PS4 requires you to have an HDTV, probably something more rare than internet, but that's an aside.

They were doing fine in preorders on amazon, I heard it was because Gamestop stopped offering the X1 or was bad mouthing it in their stores. For obvious reasons, it would have marked the death of the villainous retailer.

No actually ps4 doesn't require an HDTV. If you don't have an HDTV you need to get an adapter though like this one http://www.amazon.ca/component-YPbPr-HDMI-converter-v1-3/dp/B003VJ9RP6 I went through the same thing when I got an N64 it only came with component cables and I only had the cable slot because my tv was old so I had to get a similar adapter. And Xbone was doing horrible in preorders on amazon they were getting slaughtered, still are but to a lesser extent.

 

[neppakyo]

Yeah, what people really want is a console. Ya know, pop in a disc (or click your digital copy) and play. Online or offline. Sit back, relax with a controller and enjoy yourself. The Xbone didn't offer that, they took the worst aspects of PC gaming and tried to implement it. Without any benefits. You wouldn't see sales like steam does on XBL, you'll get full priced games years after the game was release, and the new XBL game for free? Limited timeframe, and really really old games that you played years ago.

MS had VERY bad PR, a console that it's hardware is very weak, and charged more which got you less than the PS4.

Again I will reiterate. People don't want a PC-ized console. They want a fucking console that is no hassle and lets you PLAY YOUR FUCKING GAME WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF HASSLE.

Get that through your thick skull OP.

 

[shrekfan246]

Protip; if you want to appear even halfway legit, call it Xbone. If you don't it's obvious you're spouting the line you're paid to spout.

That's just silly.

I call it the Xbox One because I think 'Xbone' is a ridiculous term.

Granted, I'm not defending the console, so I suppose there's a difference.

I'm not sure if I want to engage this OP though, because... well because his stance makes my brain hurt. Oh well...

Did literally NO ONE see the benefits of an always online console? And good god not one media story about it either, instead the media literally jumped on the hate train to get views.

Over the past week, I've had to restart my router roughly ten times just to stay connected to the internet. That's not even taking into account when the servers on the company's side would be broken, rendering me unable to access them and thus unable to play any games.

Oh yeah and when the X1 backs off its Always Online, its "spineless backpedaling", but when the PS4 drops the Playstation Eye basically abandoning any advanced motion control gaming experience in the next generation to die, so it could beat the XB1's pricing, its "listening to the consumer". Ok guys.

I appreciate that Microsoft backed off of the 24-hour check-in. It's not the same as the PS4 not having a mandatory Eye built-in, though. They're still going to be selling the PS4 Eye, it's just not being included in the base console. A proper analogue would be if Microsoft removed the mandatory Kinect, which is still a sticking point for a lot of people.

And everyone also glosses over all the PS4's faults like its nothing too (PS4 charging just as much for far inferior and far less secure online functionality, much fewer multimedia features, far less robust cloud infrastructure, etc...)

I don't give a toss about the online functionality, multimedia features, or 'cloud'. I care about the games (which I will also touch on later on here, since you seem to be under the misconception that people can't have a PC and a games console for similar reasons).

If you guys "only care about the games" and want the best dedicated gaming system, you would not be buying a PS4. You would be buying a gaming PC. You are getting a console b/c you want it to compliment the stuff in your living room and/or you can't be damned to make a gaming PC.

I have a PC. I also have a PS3 and an Xbox 360, and a PSP and PS Vita and Nintendo DS. Do you know why? Because they all have games that I like to play, and can't get unified on one system. I don't care about online multi-player. I don't care about being able to watch Blu-Rays, or getting Netflix, or accessing Facebook and Twitter from my console. I don't care about uploading videos, I don't care about in-game chatting with friends, I don't care. And because of that, I'm far more likely to pick up a Wii U and a PS4 in addition to upgrading my PC, rather than looking for an Xbox One. Because Microsoft's entire marketing plan revolved around everything except the games, and before they started backtracking, their ideas were going to actively impede my ability to play games I've purchased on the console I bought.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Yes, because something entered into PasteBin totally counts as a trustworthy source. Anyone could enter things like that. I know trusting manufacturers isn't the best idea, but I still think that the official Microsoft releases are more trustworthy than that.

I'm in the same situation as the OP - It frustrates me that due to mass complaining, things were changed away from what I wanted, then the people who complained are too bitter to buy it anyway.

May I politely ask if you don't see if there's a problem that we had to take an unknown source's opinion at all? I mean, this is again the fault of Microsoft. We. Didn't. Know. From week to week, their own people changed and contradicted the story that was previously given. We never knew what we were getting. Think about how clear it would have all been if instead of trying to blow smoke in our face and say it was Pixie Dust to fly off to never-neverland, they would have had the balls to say 'Hey, not everyone's going to like it, but this is what we're doing'?

I mean, they already did it when they said 'We have a console for people who want to play offline'. I took it as a 'fuck you' personally, but I also at least had ONE iota of where they actually stood.

At this point, I at least know what we're getting for the X1. It might not be as shiny in your opinion, and I value yours... but it's definite. And I don't see how anyone can willingly set aside hundreds of dollars with the two step they were doing about what you'd actually get for those hundreds of dollars?

We're talking about a company where people asked them point blank questions, all they did was step side with colorful prose. If I didn't get comments about water coolers, if I didn't get 'It's the future, why wouldn't you want to follow us into the future'. If I had a spreadsheet of absolute facts of the matter, I would have been more quiet about my 'whining'.

But we didn't get any of that. We got misdirection at best. Treat me like a grown up. Tell me what I'd like and what I wouldn't like. Define these things. Don't have your figureheads mis-state or misunderstand your own device.

The Truth of the matter is this; before the reversal the very best we had were ideas that needed 'more explanation in the months to come' with a few cemented realities that I and many others disliked. If you hold a press event to sell a product, you better be more than willing to put it all on the line so we can tell you if we want the product. Holding it close to your vest is not the way to go, because it's up to THEM to convince a vast majority of people to want to buy the product. They had to tell us exactly what we were getting and how. They did not. None of them. Each got on and contradicted the other to where actually Newspapers were reporting that they had no idea what the Xbox One was. That's not a failure on our part in not understanding what we promised. that's Microsoft's fault. And if the only things they made clear is what myself and a few million others did not like... What would anyone expect?

And as you are rightfully voicing your opinion that it was unnecessary and distasteful that me and a few million others expressed dismay over the system, we rightfully voiced our opinion that they can't just treat us like asses then ask us to pay for the experience.