WTH at all the X1 hate?

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Zenn3k

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theuprising said:
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This has all been said about one million times now. The Xbone is disliked because of what it stood for as much as for what it was.
Nobody disputed Sony's shortfalls, they were simply golden by comparison.


How long have you worked at Microsoft?
Again I am the troll because if I have a viewpoint which is pro-X1, I work for microsoft. I have heard your lines before...

The X1 stood for the PC-itization of Consoles, now its back to last generation...

And again, consoles are multi-media systems. For the best gaming experience, get a gaming PC...
We don't want the PC-ization of consoles. We like consoles how they are.

Frankly I feel anyone who would want a DRM heavy, locked down gaming system that all the worst parts of the PC, combined with all the worst parts of consoles (like no mods, etc)...is a stupid, stupid person.

The Xbone180 didn't offer anything to us without taking away much more than it brought to the table.

Motion gaming isn't "the future", its a gimmick, and one that got really tired, really fast. Maybe the Kinect 2 will be better, frankly I don't really care...I like to sit back and relax when I play a game, not be forced to jump all over the place while the game incorrectly reads my actions, when I could much more easily press "A" on the freakin controller.

I'm GLAD I'm saving that $100 on my PS4 by not having an PS Eye or whatever its called now in the box, I'm really not very interested in it either.

As far as "benefits to an always online console"....there aren't any.
 

Atmos Duality

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Well, that opening post was an amusing amount of unsubstantiated BULLSHIT.
Claims without proof or argumentation? Check.
New account? Check.
Blind antagonism trying to pass itself off as reason? Check check check.

In any case, thanks for the laugh.
 

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Forlong said:
I use PSN and Xbox Live, and PSN is better. It has just as convenient structure with better prices and a lot of awesome deals. Also, Xbox Live was hacked too. Know the facts! Here they are:
http://www.behindgames.com/xbox-live-hacked-48-million-users-exposed/
I forgot about xbl being hacked, but yeah MS covered it up and lied about it like I expected.
 

La Kias

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doomed89 said:
Forlong said:
I use PSN and Xbox Live, and PSN is better. It has just as convenient structure with better prices and a lot of awesome deals. Also, Xbox Live was hacked too. Know the facts! Here they are:
http://www.behindgames.com/xbox-live-hacked-48-million-users-exposed/
I forgot about xbl being hacked, but yeah MS covered it up and lied about it like I expected.
At least Sony gave us free games for our trouble and did a full and thorough test of the network before switching it back on. And as for paying for PS4 multiplayer, if it improves the network I won't complain.
 

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Forlong said:
theuprising said:
The X1 stood for the PC-itization of Consoles,
By adding all the disadvantages of PC gaming with exactly ZERO of the benefits. That's known as a "dick move".

SeventhSigil said:
Let me get this clear. The Xbox One supporters moved on from 'Pffft, stop complaining about DRM, this is the future of gaming' to themselves complaining that it's all been removed.
Evidence of this? No? Well here's some evidence contrary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul2PD48hIfc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwXatsuUiA8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3peOt4rH3HA
Note the high number of dislikes on the first two videos, and the much lower number of dislikes on the third one.

theuprising said:
ALSO what pisses me off is why are you guys glad all these features are gone from the X1?
Yes, because now Sony and Nintendo know they can't get away with pulling the same stunt.

theuprising said:
The ONLY way they could justify charging for PS+ was because they are giving you free stuff with it. Otherwise... I mean they've had a serious breach of their web security in the past and don't offer dedicated servers like Microsoft does, doesn't have as many apps, etc. Other than the free stuff its inferior in every way.
Yeah, so what is Microsoft's excuse?

CrazyCapnMorgan said:
I just want to say that, under normal circumstances, I'd have never bought a PS Vita.

But I did. Wanna know what changed my mind?

That's what convinced me too...and the fact that I've already downloaded 5 games for free.
I think you might have missed my point. o.o I myself was, and still am, against the DRM, etc, etc, etc, but during my time spent on the Xbox forums (I know, I know, God help me,) the gist of pretty much every argument had those opposed to Microsoft's now-revoked policies consisted of the side against (myself, those others who thought the region locking and DRM should be revoked) arguing, presenting pre-order information, polls, etc, etc. Meanwhile, those who WANTED the DRM would generally reply with 'Stop whining, this is the future of Gaming, we'll all advance to incredible things,' sounding almost cult-like. Generally, there seemed to be a lot of scorn in the forum for those who dared complain, and who didn't just 'Go to Sony,' as it was put.

Then when the policies were REVERSED, the sides all but switched. Those who had originally criticized us for speaking out against the DRM were now speaking out against having it removed. I was just noting the irony that a group of individuals are talking about how we who were against the policies were 'whiners' while they themselves are hitting the same notes we were.

I'm not sure if you thought I was defending those who supported the old One. o.o I'm not quite that insane.
 

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Why do we even need those apps, and don't we have to buy a letter typed to write faster, allot of us own apple devices, and phones which do all those apps, and more, and type faster without having to buy a console keyboard, and ps4 is one hundred dollars cheaper. ONE HUNDRED dollars cheaper. As for drm some games don't need it, and what if the Internet is down in a area? Also they sold the Xbox like it was a Wii to I am sure get the high sales of it, and I saw through it. I guess the only console that actuary cares about hard core gamers is the playstation. Also pcs cost a crap ton more,but I will move to a gaming pc if playstation starts doing what the Xbox is doing.
 

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X-One tried to replace television. Yet, it requires a television to function. Fail.

X-One tried to become a PC. Yet it lacks anywhere near the current power of a modern PC, as well as the vast majority of programs and usefulness of a PC, therefore it failed at that objective as well.

X-One took a huge step back from its core demographic, and began focusing on the Frat/CoD demographic solely, as can easily be discerned from the fact that being able to watch Sports on the X-One (Again, you can already do that on your television) as well as basically only showing off CoD: Ghosts at the reveal were the two main points they tried to sell at the consumers at said reveal.

Microsoft showed their inherent greed by refusing to allow used games to be played on the system, and somehow thought that giving ten people you put on your own console a glorified demo system (the family "sharing" feature) while forcing the person who owned the game to use their own bandwidth to allow said demo somehow made up for it. Microsoft had clearly shown with that act that they feel that someone who pays $60+ for a game and $500+ for their console do not, in fact, own said console. A gaming console is not like a house, you do not pay mortgage costs on a game system or living expenses for any games within it. If I buy a console and it is in my home, it should belong to me, and that is all there is to it.

X-One requires Kinect to always be on to play the system. This has nothing to do with necessity and everything to do with Microsoft's greed as they saw it as an easy way to force people to shell out another $100 for the peripheral whether they want it or not. You must be out of your damn mind if you think I'll pay you $100+ more for a piece of buggy motion capture that I do not ever intend on using.

X-One required a check on the internet every 24 hours, lest you be unable to do virtually anything on the X-One. That is not only stupid, it's totally confusing as to who the hell would come up with that and why.

All of the backtracking Microsoft did with the console in the past few weeks has nothing to do with them caring about their consumers and everything to do with the fact that they realized their own idiocy and lack of knowledge of their main selling demographic was going to cost them large amounts of money in losses of console sales, which even now it still will.

All of that "all-digital" download stuff requires an extreme amount of memory to actually have those games on your system. I can guarantee the system will sell with a low-gig HD, basically forcing anyone who wants to have more than a handful of games downloaded to play at any given time to buy another one, or have to constantly keep re-downloading games when they feel like playing them, a chore that can take hours or more. I recall that installing all of Fallout 3 took my system quite some time.

So, that's why, OP. That is why there is so much hate for this glorified television and sub-par PC. I don't care about watching sports in between people screaming the word "******" on Call of Duty. I have a perfectly working PC right now that is more useful than the X-One will ever be to me. I also am not so lazy as to consider the fact that I could do everything on the system "without a remote".

PS4 comes with better hardware for a cheaper cost and none of the terrible DRM.
 

Orthus

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Issues I have and still have with the xbone:

1: Indie devs can not self publish and can't provide FREE content updates(DLC)

2: Need live account for Netflix

3: Cant not upgrade or change out the HDD as you see fit.

4: How dodgy their PR team was towards questions directly about DRM prior to the reversal of the plans.

5. No word if they will be doing any cross platform stuff again with GFWL.
 

theuprising

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On the internet thing. XB live and PS+ both give you free games, its just the PS+ gives you the better deal since they are games you probably don't already own. But we have yet to see what kind of games XB live will throw at you once the XB1 is launched. So they both give you games. Both charge you. What's the difference?

Oh yeah, XB 1 has cloud infrastructure, the most notable benefit of which is DEDICATED SERVERS. PS4 does not have this, and are still charging you. Also PSN has had a major breach of security in the past...
 

theuprising

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Orthus said:
The frat/CoD w/e WAS its main demographic. They bought the most games and Xboxes. Also yes they were trying to reach more casual and non-gamers with all of its multi-media features, which I thought was exactly what a console needed.
 

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Mypetmonkey said:
Good to see the Escapist mods censoring the OP here... Home of the pompous... And yet the anti-Xbone trolls run rampant...
If you have an issue with a post use the flag button to the right.
 

Orthus

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theuprising said:
Orthus said:
The frat/CoD w/e WAS its main demographic. They bought the most games and Xboxes. Also yes they were trying to reach more casual and non-gamers with all of its multi-media features, which I thought was exactly what a console needed.
While this may be true none of this addresses my issues with the xbone.