X-Men - Apocalypse - It's the End of the World as We Know It
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Eh, I liked him well enough. McKellan is a powerhouse of an actor at even the worst of times, and while saddled with the material, he did give some gravitas to the role.Zenja said:
Deadpool is a Fox film, not an MCU one.Zenja said:
Anyway, bear in mind that the average film goer like myself isn't going to care about source material. And even in the event where I'm familiar with the source material before seeing the film adaptation, I'm far more interested in seeing a good movie than a loyal adaptation. Sure, if it can be loyal, that's good, but it's secondary to overall quality. Off the top of my head, Starship Troopers and Apocalypse Now are terrible if viewed as adaptations, but if viewed as independent entitites, they're good/excellent.
So, for me, I've seen four X-Men films, only one of which is "good" (First Class), and eight MCU films, only two of which are "good" (Iron Man, Iron Man 3). That's technically an equal ratio of "good" to "average" in both cases. Still better than the DCEU (one "average," one "bad,"), but still a far cry before the days of Rami Spider-Man or The Dark Knight Trilogy. Y'know, films that were good/excellent on their own merits, without me having to do homework to understand what the heck is going on. Maybe the competition theory is flawed, but I haven't seen anything from Marvel that makes me believe that they'd automatically do a better job with the X-Men. Maybe a more accurate representation, but that's about it, and not something that I or the average person are going to be invested in.
Maybe it could...I dunno...do something to make him a bit more interesting?DevilMayhem666 said:
Granted, the whole "I want to start over/shatter it all" CAN be done well at times, but most of the time it's a sign of lazy writing. As someone who's seen the trailer more times than I care for in cinemas, I'm left to reflect "yes, we get it, you want to destroy the world...yay..." Even the disaster porn of Independence Day, while disaster porn, still has a clearer motivation for the aliens (resources, conquest, etc.) then "destroy it all because I'm evil."
i think it wasnt too bad. not great but certainly far from bad. some scenes were kind of questionable but it also filled in some parts that we saw in in the original 3 movies without knowing what has happened before. at least it was about mutants fighting each other instead of fighting humans. the one playing storm and gene were the least convincing acting in this movie. the rest were either very good to solid.
quicksilver was indeed the best part. also the most enjoyable character.
over all, i still had a good time watching it, and thats what i care about as well. and i even dont mind last stand.
quicksilver was indeed the best part. also the most enjoyable character.
over all, i still had a good time watching it, and thats what i care about as well. and i even dont mind last stand.
Apocalypse didn't want to destroy the world "because he's evil" but because he is a social darwinist with a god complex that thinks the weak shouldn't be ruling this world, that was made very clear in the film.Hawki said:
I know there is no accounting for taste so that has to be said up front. However, Marvel Studios has been staying fairly true to the source material and when they deviate they stick true to the spirit of the source material. This has given them 3 movies in the Top 10 highest grossing of all time. (Avengers, Avengers 2, Iron Man 3) with Civil War still climbing. (CW already in the top 20) I would say the average movie goer is pretty pleased with what Marvel is doing and it makes sense. Oddly enough Marvel is trying to give us live acted comic books using actual storylines with the same kind of suspense the comics use.Hawki said:
Staying true to the source material isn't just what the costumes look like or minor details in the story. Robert Downey Jr. reinvented Tony Stark and it worked marvelously. Yet the enjoyment of fans wasn't lost because Iron Man was always about the suits anyways. Its why I always preferred War Machine more, because it was Rhodey that was more comical. However, I like it better since they flipped as it makes WAY more sense. Even though it isn't 100% accurate, the dynamic between these two is still there.
I am by no means a purist fanboy. I like the creative liberties they have taken to adapt these comics to movie format. Almost every one of them has worked well. Even Guardians of the Galaxy a relatively unknown IP before its movie, managed to pull in $770 million. That is pretty impressive considering that movie proved it was on word of mouth alone. Especially considering Guardians did better at the box office than any of the X-men movies despite being a new unknown IP. I have to say that I think Marvel Studios is doing a pretty exceptional job both for fans and the general public. It may not be to your tastes but I think the average movie goer is pretty entertained by their works as are the fans. This convinces me that Marvel would in fact do the X-men better than Fox, personally.
When M Night Shyamalan can make a better Superhero movie than you, you are doing something wrong.
Its only staying true to the source material.Hawki said:
Uh, Unbreakable is widely considered a great movie.VoidWanderer said:
I enjoyed it. Quicksilver is kinda a slacker. He's a gamer that lives in his mom's basement. so him not telling dad that he exists really stays in character for him. Apocalypse was cool and explaining how his powers work without involving mountain-sized spacemen actually worked. In this, his reasons for wanting Charles make sense. And we finally got an honest to god Phoenix on screen outside of the animated series. This, plus the little snippet about Moira having a kid
could lead to some cool stories in the future. Not every hero movie can be Steve Bourne...err Rogers. The X-Men, like Spider Man, have been at this for a long time and their old motivations are largely known. Just reaching the point where we can have villains like Apocalypse on screen without it being cheesy is a very positive step. If an actual version of the Phoenix Saga isn't in the plans for the future, I'd be surprised. A lot of critics seem to be suffering from superhero fatigue and I have yet to see a review from CineMarter that I've agreed with - he just kinda dumps on everything kinda like MovieBob as of late. Stop expecting academy performances from these movies and you'll enjoy them more. This isn't Dicaprio, this is X-Men. Enjoy the fireworks, it's memorial day.
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Which doesn't immunize it, or any other adaptation, from critique.DevilMayhem666 said:
Um...what?Remus said:
Deadpool and Civil War were both highly rated - far higher than I thought either of them warrented, but that's another issue. Critics don't seem to be suffering from superhero fatigue, they seem to be ranking what they consider to be good movies (at the least, I can argue with them that Batman v Superman was a mess). Also, MovieBob? As in, the guy whose YouTube channel is devoted almost entirely to superheroes (the remainder being devoted to pop culture in general), who's gone on record saying that he doesn't believe in the concept, and that for him, even if never stated outright, that superheroes/superhero movies are the best thing since sliced bread? And Marter is "dumping on everything" despite recently giving positive reviews to Neighbors 2, The Nice Guys, How to Plan an Orgy, Midnight Special, Mr. Right, Civil War, The Jungle Book, and High Rise, all of which were reviewed in the month of May alone?
Lord knows I've been suffering superhero fatigue for the better half of a decade, but for the people who enjoy these films, you're hardly in the minority as far as critical consensus goes.
Only read the bottom line, cause I'm seeing it Tuesday, but that sounds unfortunate. Then again, Psylocke is jumping most of her history, and Cyclops is now Havok's younger brother, and the X-Men movies have been well, not the best.
I guess tanking is good though, if it means one day maybe X-Men can finally go home. (Wishful thinking)
I guess tanking is good though, if it means one day maybe X-Men can finally go home. (Wishful thinking)
I enjoyed it, but it was undoubtedly the weakest of the new trilogy. Mostly because it was simultaneously very long and yet also rushed.
However, I also think it's worth pointing out how unfair the comparisons have been to Civil War. Apart from their release dates, the two films are very different in terms of their set-up. It would be far fairer to compare Apocalypse with Age of Ultron, against which it doesn't do too badly (and the disappointment of which I don't think people properly recognise): that film also had an impossible-to-empathise-with villain, motivated to take over the world for frighteningly little reason, poor set-up of the villain's accomplices (with poor faux East European accents to boot) etc.
In fact, the most fair comparison will be when Infinity War(s) are released.
However, I also think it's worth pointing out how unfair the comparisons have been to Civil War. Apart from their release dates, the two films are very different in terms of their set-up. It would be far fairer to compare Apocalypse with Age of Ultron, against which it doesn't do too badly (and the disappointment of which I don't think people properly recognise): that film also had an impossible-to-empathise-with villain, motivated to take over the world for frighteningly little reason, poor set-up of the villain's accomplices (with poor faux East European accents to boot) etc.
In fact, the most fair comparison will be when Infinity War(s) are released.
Unlike most, I liked the film well enough. I place it as being better than DoFP but worse than the first film and First Class. TO me it's on par with, say, Iron Man 2 or Thor 2; not great, not horrible but good enough to watch. It had some well done scenes that emphasize just how bad the rest of the movie is. Too many characters means no one gets to shine all that much even as superior versions of the characters from the first film. I liked it quite a bit better than DoFP as the future scenes in that film just ruined the crap out of some of my favorite characters and the film just added to the eye rolling over-exposure of Wolverine. There was just the right amount of Wolverine in this film.
It is a shame that this movie isn't good I mean I always thought that Singer could do no wrong with Xmen as long as he was the director. I thought Days of Future Past was one of the best superhero films I have ever seen and it made up from the abysmal Last Stand. I guess he just wasn't able to replicate its greatness. I think the Xmen movies really shine when they avoid the tired old Superhero nonsense of someone is evil and he is trying to take over/destroy the world.
Frankly the X-Men mythos was always going to be a struggle to represent in a good way on the big screen. So much of what makes the X-Men who they are, relies on the society that hates and fears them. Top that off with absolutely crazy fucking villains and you will be hard pressed to tell a cohesive story in 2 hours. Hell the main X-men cannon is so fucked so a billion alternate versions of timelines that even Marvel had to scream, "FUCK IT ALL" and literally delete 90% of mutants off the face of cannon.
That being said, I think there is a lot of good things about X-Men Apocalypse. While it might not be the best movie in the Marvel universe, it technically isn't part of that universe because it is still owned by the wrong studio, but it isn't a bad movie. One thing I have learned is that while these are technically sequels, they are much better enjoyed if you take them as their own entities. If you still Apocalypse in with all the other X-men films, then the movie doesn't quite stand up to Day of Future Past, although I would certainly rate it higher than First Class and ANY of the 1st era trilogy.
Yet if you approach the movie on it's own, I found it a lot of fun. I was cheering and fist bumping my friends in the theater everytime something badass happened, and it happened a lot, especially for all the filler the movie technically has. But frankly, I've never openly Whooped or shivered in excitement in any other X-man movie than I did for Apocalypse. The fight scene in Xavior's head, the release of the Jean, Weapon X, Apocalypse as a whole, and everything Psylocke did, all of it had me jittering with fun buckets. FUN buckets, not Cum buckets you dirty bastards!
Are there problems? Of fucking course, it's made by FOX who has a strangle--hold on this IP like nobodies fucking business and they dare not let anyone actually make a proper X-Men movie.
Apocalypse does fairly little in the film, the filler was fine but a little too long, not enough build up with Jean Grey's ultimate power which could have used some of that filler time, the battle with the four horsemen is fairly dull and short, Psylocke isn't in it enough, there is only one real confrontation in the entire film as a matter of fact. The whole movie is a huge build up to this giant battle, when it could have done with having a few skrimishes between horseman and heroes here and there, if for no other reason than to build up the tension. Instead, like Batman V. Superman, too many plot threads had to weave through the film in order to do everything that they wanted.
Luckily the final battle is awesome, and marks a great cap on the second trilogy. Though we all know there will be more of these fucking things, let's face it. And probably another reboot that further fucks with the damn universe.
Frankly though, the film doesn't deserve it's hate. Let yourself go and you will have a lot of fun with this movie. I know I did.
That being said, I think there is a lot of good things about X-Men Apocalypse. While it might not be the best movie in the Marvel universe, it technically isn't part of that universe because it is still owned by the wrong studio, but it isn't a bad movie. One thing I have learned is that while these are technically sequels, they are much better enjoyed if you take them as their own entities. If you still Apocalypse in with all the other X-men films, then the movie doesn't quite stand up to Day of Future Past, although I would certainly rate it higher than First Class and ANY of the 1st era trilogy.
Yet if you approach the movie on it's own, I found it a lot of fun. I was cheering and fist bumping my friends in the theater everytime something badass happened, and it happened a lot, especially for all the filler the movie technically has. But frankly, I've never openly Whooped or shivered in excitement in any other X-man movie than I did for Apocalypse. The fight scene in Xavior's head, the release of the Jean, Weapon X, Apocalypse as a whole, and everything Psylocke did, all of it had me jittering with fun buckets. FUN buckets, not Cum buckets you dirty bastards!
Are there problems? Of fucking course, it's made by FOX who has a strangle--hold on this IP like nobodies fucking business and they dare not let anyone actually make a proper X-Men movie.
Apocalypse does fairly little in the film, the filler was fine but a little too long, not enough build up with Jean Grey's ultimate power which could have used some of that filler time, the battle with the four horsemen is fairly dull and short, Psylocke isn't in it enough, there is only one real confrontation in the entire film as a matter of fact. The whole movie is a huge build up to this giant battle, when it could have done with having a few skrimishes between horseman and heroes here and there, if for no other reason than to build up the tension. Instead, like Batman V. Superman, too many plot threads had to weave through the film in order to do everything that they wanted.
Luckily the final battle is awesome, and marks a great cap on the second trilogy. Though we all know there will be more of these fucking things, let's face it. And probably another reboot that further fucks with the damn universe.
Frankly though, the film doesn't deserve it's hate. Let yourself go and you will have a lot of fun with this movie. I know I did.
Okay, so I'm looking at this from the outside and this is coming from someone whose last X-Men movie was Last Class and I've never read the comics. My question is: Have they changed Mystique's character because of Jennifer Lawrence's real life popularity? Again, just looking in from the outside, just from the bits and pieces I've seen they've put Mystique in an upfront and noticeably non-blue leadership role since Last Class that doesn't really follow what I know about her character. It seems like they're trying to bank on Jennifer Lawrence's popularity rather than Mystique as a character.
What exactly does THAT mean though? The assumption I am making is that reviewers would otherwise have given better scores to the likes of Superman Vs Batman and this more recent X-Men movie if their were not as many superhero movies being released?
Seems more likely that making a poor Superhero movie is now in line for a tougher time were as in the past reviewers would have given them an easier time. I wouldn't say they are suffering from fatigue more likely that the MCU and the rare ones like Deadpool have instead moved the bar.
WB and Fox are reacting to Marvel, rather than acting. Their primary concern is getting movies out in sufficient quantity to match Marvel.Zelderahn said: