You say that as if any mod is the finished product and guaranteed in any way.Suave Charlie said:
Xbone grinding discs? Grindgate? + Green Screen of Death
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Just a light hearted comment pal, no need to be so serious.KarmaTheAlligator said:
Almost everything has issues at launch, sure it sucks but it's hardly the scoop of the century.
If memory serves, moving a 360 while it was running could horribly scratch a disc. Leaving the disk unplayable. Which does make me question this one a little bit. Not saying it's a widespread problem, or even a problem, though. I'm giving PS4 the benefit of the doubt as well. So, I sort of owe Xbox One that, too.Diablo1099 said:
Do you remember Gatesgate? I'd say that was when it got out of hand.GrinningCat said:
So we got no reports if this is actually damaging discs and we've got no way of telling how many actually encounters problems here. Well I think we need to wait and see here before we can make any conclusions. If they have actually managed to make a second console with hardware failures as bad as the Xbox 360 then I'm going to offer them a big face palm.
I would say we should be cautious about buying the console until we get more reliable information than "some guys on the internet", but luckily I have no idea when the console is getting released over here anyway. Yay for Kinect causing delays... Also yay for Microsoft making a console I'm not really interested in.
I would say we should be cautious about buying the console until we get more reliable information than "some guys on the internet", but luckily I have no idea when the console is getting released over here anyway. Yay for Kinect causing delays... Also yay for Microsoft making a console I'm not really interested in.
I'm not saying it is the scoop of the century, I agree with you. The thing that annoyed me is you compared something that should be finished and in theory in working condition to something that isn't. Yeah, I tend to take everything seriously, can't help it.Suave Charlie said:
When will people learn that buying a console at launch is like being a beta tester that you have to pay for.
I shouldn't say I am surprised. Problem is the percentage of defection.
I shouldn't say I am surprised. Problem is the percentage of defection.
No one claimed that a terrible launch would mean the instant death of a console. So your comment that instead of terrible launches those are examples of systems that had terrible lifespans is silly. Companies need early adopters to absorb the initial impact of releasing systems that they usually make a loss on, and keep them going as they bring production costs down. A launch is extremely telling for how things will continue to go in the future. If a launch is a failure, it's unlikely those early adopters are going to decide to suddenly start buying the console en masse 30 days later. It doesn't happen. If a launch is a failure, that's indicative of how sales are going to be for a long time, as it was in the case of all of those systems.FrozenLaughs said:
Second, I'm not sure why you bring up things like management support and software support as though that mitigates the impact of a terrible launch. Nobody said anything about why a launch was a failure, but all of the things that lead to a bad launch are the same sort of things that draw out the failure past day one.
But rushing their console out last time worked for them and all the RROD what happened? most people went out and bought another 360 or tried to get it repaired and then later bought another 360 after in invariably RROD again.Snotnarok said:
I had 3 Xbox originals go on me one of them went in 12 hours however my 360 lasted 5 years before it RROD and I fixed it wherein I got a few more months out of it before it died and I never replaced it. That said I think the Xbox was me being unlucky and the 360 me being lucky it actually lasted that long.Private Custard said:
I have no faith in the Xbox One after the ridiculous hardware failures of the 360 but its to early to tell atm how widespread these failures are.
I had a Wii that sounded like that after my brother stuck a few LEGO's in the disk slot. Still worked fine afterwards. Didn't even scratch the disks. Eventually stopped playing disks a few years later, but the same brother uses it to watch Netflix now. Anyway, this is likely just the first sign of what is going to be a streak of issues with both consoles. It happens to all consumer electronics when they're getting out of the gate.
Exactly this.Chaosritter said:
I bought ALL the old consoles on day one and never had any problems with any of them EVER! Till the fucking Wii that is. Now everyone here is saying it just happens like it's always happened?
Hopefully it's not too widespread. Paying so much for a box to eat away at your sanity is overkill.
Working at Wal-Mart, I once had a dumbass who had broken his PS2 trying to fit a mouse into the controller port. I'm not 100% sure how he did it, because the mouse's PS/2 slot looked nothing like the PLaystation's slot (well, I mean, originally. the metal was bent and flattened and maybe pliers or something was involved?). Still, he'd managed to jam it in there so good I couldn't get the two apart. I really wish this were in the days of the ubiquitous camera phone.Neronium said:
I suspect this guy never did well on those tests where you fit the square peg into the square hole.
Anyway, I don't know why someone would jam fat legos into a Wii slot, but I could see it happening with enough effort.
Can we please stop using the suffix "gate" to describe any scandal? Clearly the people who use it doesn't understand it's meaning. The reason why the origin of the term "watergate" got its name is because the incident occurred at the watergate office complex. Can we come up with a more relevant term? Or perhaps not attack a console whenever any controversy pops up?
It happened, but the gaming press didn't cover it, and the internet was too new to get any idea of when people were getting bricked consoles. They didn't exactly have tech support forums back then, or people posting videos of their systems on Youtube, the only thing you really had was the 1-800 number for the company, so the only people that knew you had a broken system was yourself, and any friends you told.Nazulu said:
I bought a Super Nintendo at launch that would never register Audio, returned it to the store after 5 days. A friend of mine got a similar disc grinding noise that the Xbox ones are getting back when he bought a PS1, I guess they might be similar issues in both cases, apparently the grinding was caused by the laser reader getting stuck and not being able to move. My cousin got a defective N64 at launch, the damn thing had a broken power button and wouldn't turn on at all. I knew a number of people that got broken disc readers in their Dreamcasts as well.
Average failure rate for consumer electronics (not just consoles), seems to hover at around 4-6% on average although I think the maximum acceptable rate is around 10%. The number might have gone up a bit in later years, current high performance electronics tend to be a little more fragile on average as there tends to be more points where the entire thing can fail. The modern T.V. is exponentially more complex than an old projection screen T.V. that only has a fraction of the parts (although you did have to worry about the bulb burning out).
No kidding on no cover, because I never heard of it. Though it would make more sense that not every single one would work like it should. I really should've taken into account that the media covers everything now, and even has a bad habit of exaggerating the hell out things.EternallyBored said:
All I have is my own experience, which is my friends and I never had any problems, and the old consoles all still work perfectly now. Though many people here didn't go through the hell I put up with when I bought the Wii on day one, where I had to take everything back and keep going through maintenance.
Yeah, personal experience is weird that way, I ended up getting a bricked gamecube at launch, and the store was sold out, so I didn't manage to get ahold of another one for about a month. But I never ran into any issues with the 360 and PS3 generation, my launch 360 ran like a champ for 5 years before I replaced it with an elite, and my PS3 is still chugging along with the old 60GB backwards compatible model, My PS4 has been working well so far too.Nazulu said:
I do know some friends that ran into the 360 RROD problem, that issue was so pervasive I think it has made people hyper-sensitive to console hardware failure. We once used to just accept when we got defective hardware and returned it or had it repaired, you would see posts in places about people trying to fix their system, but it never quite got much coverage, because the media seemed to recognize that the occasional defect or failure was nothing to get worried about. Then the 360 came along, and seemed to have an initial failure rate that was 3 to 4 times higher than the usual upper range, some estimates put entire production runs of the 360 at 50% failure rate. You started hearing stories about people who went through four or five 360s before getting a console that worked, and Microsoft eventually implemented a policy to fix or replace any 360s experiencing the problem completely free of charge with no time limits.
Now I think everyone wants to jump on any failure as the next Red Ring of Death, even this topic is using the term green screen of death to try and compare the Xbox One to its infamous predecessor. In some weird way, people want to see another spectacular blowup like that, it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion, you know it's wrong, but you just can't look away. People start to jump on any hardware issue in hopes of seeing another debacle, or in fear that they are going to end up going through half a dozen different consoles before getting one to work like last time.
Like I said above though, I wouldn't be surprised if the failure rate of some of the earlier consoles was indeed lower on average, if you've ever torn apart an SNES and looked inside, then compared it to a 360 or PS3, you quickly realize that the newer generations have a lot more components. Not to mention the greater power requirements, the necessary heat sinks that the older consoles didn't need, the greater number of different hardware in general, and the number of ways a console can break start to add up. The older consoles tended to be more robust because they were simple, the SNES runs quiet and cold, not because it's better designed or better made, but because the hardware inside is simple and doesn't require much power to run. The newer generations would melt down in conditions that the SNES or N64 could run just fine in, but that's not Sony or Microsoft's fault, the more powerful your hardware, the more energy you require, the more energy required, the hotter your system is going to run, the hotter the system runs, the more stress you put on the hardware itself.
the PS4 and ONE both set records for first day sales, which means that the number of faulty units expected with any new electronic release is also higher. Even if the failure rate was as low as 4% (which would be considered successful by any new product) that'd still be 40,000 PS4/Xones that crapped out right from the box. The numbers haven't come out for the ONE yet, but for the PS4 the failure rate isn't even that high, so it's likely that in both cases it's just the large number of units moved that makes the failures seem more common.