Xbox 360 & Wii & PS3: Let's Stop Fighting

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The Random One

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gerrymander61 said:
Stop fighting and agree that PC gaming is just straight up superior.
It is, but it's just too damn hard! You have to tweak the systems and get the boards and download the patches¹ and all that jazz. I want to be able to put a disc in a thingy and be playing a game in less than ten seconds, so I stick to consoles.

¹Alas, even this pleasure may be denied to us in the future.
 

Irishhoodlum

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I like the concept of the thread, but I disagree with your ideas. PS3 the least creative? LBP, trine, and Flower beg to differ.
 

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gerrymander61 said:
Stop fighting and agree that PC gaming is just straight up superior.
Sure is. And maybe if you guys paid for your games once in a while you might find they put out new exclusive titles for it made by real companies. :O
 

Twilight_guy

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You are trying to stop an internet pissing contest amongst reclusive nerdy and scared shut-in who fell the need to fight on the internet using anonymity as a shield because they have nothing in their own lives worthwhile enough to fight for to work towards by posting a "let's just agree" thread on a website that already tries to weed out the kind of people who do stubbornly hold on to a ignorant notion of total console superiority. (whoo, that's a long sentence!) I think it's impossible to ever stop the console wars and I think that the best we can do is ignore them and let them die in some far off corner as the Escapist seems to try and do.

Edit: Also, the wii is fun and unique. It markets to a new and untapped market of potential gamers. It also is trying something new and injecting some life into the standard notion of video games. The PS3 is a powerhouse that can do some awesome graphical and computing things. The x-box 360 has a strong support for an online community and networking. They are all good and market to a separate audience. (Why can't we be friends?)
 

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A fine post indeed, but ultimately futile. Gamers are a competitive breed. The console wars that break out every generation satisfy an innate desire to assert dominance over others. If we didn't have console wars, gamers might put that energy towards something constructive, and we can't have that.
 

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More Fun To Compute said:
Arbitrary Cidin said:
More Fun To Compute said:
360 games are more creative than PS3 games? I think that a metaphor has been stretched too far somewhere.

There are no winners in a console war. Unless there are, I don't know, or care really.
Mass Effect, Fable 2 (I said creative, not good), Crackdown, and so on. I see what you're saying though. While it's more available for creativity, that doesn't mean it isn't proving grounds for an endless supply greyish-brown space marine fps games. Again, it's the 'in between' console.
PS3 has Valkyria Chronicles, Flower, Folklore with titles such as Heavy Rain and Last Guardian coming up. It's not like the exclusive games are noticeably less creative, for some people the creativity on show is more impressive.
Exactly, but from the perspective of the makers, that's not as creative as it is technical. I wasn't implying that PS3 was completely bereft of creativity, only that Xbox 360 is a warmer environment for it to become available, and the Wii even more so, while the PS3 is shut tight in graphics. PS3 innovation is more of little details; sweat on the character is actual beads, not part of the skin for example.
 

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grimsprice said:
Arbitrary Cidin said:
None of them are better than the other; they're completely different genres of gaming consoles. It's like comparing steak to cake.[/spoiler]
Thank you.

Xbox 360 = Steak
Ps3 = Salad
Wii = Cake
Strangely, this may have been the smartest thing ever said.
In relation to the console wars, at least.
 

More Fun To Compute

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Arbitrary Cidin said:
More Fun To Compute said:
PS3 has Valkyria Chronicles, Flower, Folklore with titles such as Heavy Rain and Last Guardian coming up. It's not like the exclusive games are noticeably less creative, for some people the creativity on show is more impressive.
Exactly, but from the perspective of the makers, that's not as creative as it is technical. I wasn't implying that PS3 was completely bereft of creativity, only that Xbox 360 is a warmer environment for it to become available, and the Wii even more so, while the PS3 is shut tight in graphics. PS3 innovation is more of little details; sweat on the character is actual beads, not part of the skin for example.
I will admit that better development tools will save you time on implementation that you can use on iteration but after that you have lost me.
 

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Z0MG XBOXZ PWNZ PS3!?!!!111!!!!!11

now the troll is out of me, i got to admit, console wars are mostly between the xbox and ps3, the wii, i have to admit and alot of people do as well, it sucks. but that is my opinion. i dont have a ps3, so to me, the xbox is far better, but a ps3 is on my to buy list and is still worth playing despite all the flame wars about it. no matter what happens, microsoft, nintendo and sony could call a truce with each other, there will always be the group of dicks complaining and pointing fingers :p
 

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I agree 100%. But fanboyism has been happening ever since there was more than one system, the Atari 2600. When there was only the NES is was as quite as it was with the 2600. But that unity among gamers was ill fated and short lived. There was a war brewing on the horizon. Sega was coming to eat Nintendo's lunch. Forever after the wars of the fanboys has raged illogically over and over again as the generations of consoles have passed. These wars shall last until there are no longer video games.
 

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Luckily I have all 3 consoles. But sometimes too much choice is a bad thing, because I can never decide on what to play. Then when I decide, I find myself thinking I'd rather be playing something else.
 

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Well, I only have a Wii out of those three. The motion-sensitive controls are cool when they match the game [like swinging a sword for zelda, ETC] but when they put it in the game for no explained reason it's kinda dumb.

Not to start a whole new discussion but I've got both the handheld systems of today, the PSP [mine] and the DS [my bro's]. I'll say this:

The PSP is a good buy, but before hand look into it's games and make a list so that if you beat a story mode and don't have the heart to replay the story mode, you've got some other games to look forward too. But all the games are usually at least 20 bucks, so choose carefully each time!

The DS is nice, there's plenty of games out there for just about every interest, and the touch screen is definitely the coolest part about it. One of the best side-scrollers I've ever played was Prince of Persia Fallen King for the DS, and the controls was the touch screen, which made it really cool. The games are usually less expensive, but there might not be "The One Game" that you'll love forever. Not usually...
 

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VanityGirl said:
grimsprice said:
Arbitrary Cidin said:
None of them are better than the other; they're completely different genres of gaming consoles. It's like comparing steak to cake.[/spoiler]
Thank you.

Xbox 360 = Steak
Ps3 = Salad
Wii = Cake
PS3= fries

salad is yucky :p
Not necessarily...

Deliciousness aside, anyone with sense will agree with you OP. The problem is, the people with common sense aren't the ones who need to listen to you. It is like this with every subject it seems. You will have console wars as long as there are idiot fanboys and children who feel a need to justify their choice. Ignore them, that is all you can do unforunately.

Grayjack72 said:
gerrymander61 said:
Stop fighting and agree that PC gaming is just straight up superior.
Great, an elitist.

OT: That was a beautiful piece you wrote, but people won't stop fighting.
Also, don't confuse a troll of that level with us elitists. Elitism is way different than trolling like a dipshit.
 

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about time someone comes up and says "each are good in their way". hopefully it will cut down the annoying console fanboys population.
 

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gerrymander61 said:
Stop fighting and agree that PC gaming is just straight up superior.
The PC Engine is a console, your huge box of bits sub-optimally glued together with Windows 7 isn't.

My iPod Touch is more of a console than your PC.

Boo.
 

More Fun To Compute

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Uncompetative said:
The PC Engine is a console, your huge box of bits sub-optimally glued together with Windows 7 isn't.

My iPod Touch is more of a console than your PC.

Boo.
Is that becuase the games on PC Engine and iPod are more creative than Windows or because they have better graphics?
 

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Partly it all depends on what you want and value in a console, as well as your own past experiences and personal biases. To that end, I will try and include both factual information below as well as my own personal biases, and the reasons for them.

360 Pros...

Variety (Modern Era): This console is effective at providing a high-quality game experience in a variety of genres, at least in the modern era. There does not seem to be a better platform available in this aspect, and while some titles are missing from the line-up if you want to experience the bulk of bestsellers or browse for obscure gems, be they in disc format or on XBLA, this is the console to go for. It is easy to design for and the wide user base means that a developer with lower levels of funding or a unique idea will find it easier and cheaper to make a unique title on this platform. The other consoles are still working hard though at lowering this advantage, so while MS is currently at the head of the pack, it's lead is diminished compared to the PS3 and Wii launch dates. But...they are still the best. And if you want to do FPS, there is none better right now.

Multi-player: A wide user base means that there are very good odds of finding someone to play in whatever game you use. The online community is strong, and it is more difficult to cheat online. You do have to pay a fee for the privelige, but monetarily I find it a relatively small price to pay in return for a large, and relatively cheat-free community.

Note: Although that does result in "issues" when I play COD4 and they can't believe I can pull the trigger that fast. I've been investigated 3 times, guys, and I'm not cheating....I just have freakish fingers and very poor time-management skills. I don't get it, I don't even hit the guy half the time!

Cons:

Reliability. To put it simply, Microsoft is substantially behind the other companies at this point in time in terms of producing reliable, durable hardware. To be fair, they have gotten better, and they do have relatively extensive warranties to cover their hardware. And this is less of an issue if you are just looking to play online, because if that is the case you may simply ditch the system for whatever else comes up next, as people leave the 360 for another system in a few years time. But if you want to play the games you have extensively with whatever community may remain, or go solo, the warranty may run out and long-term gaming could become a case of finding relatively durable consoles on the open market. This is more of a theoretical issue than a long-term gripe, as most people don't flit between console generations that much, but rather tend to focus on a single machine and use others sporadically.

Personal Biases: Raised on the first XBox. Loved the games, the refined controller, and the first-person shooters and the great graphics. Buuuut...I went through three of them. They broke down on me, and in the end I bought a GameCube as a back-up for when the one I have now inevitably bricks up. You broke my heart, MS, you broke my heart...

Which isn't to say I didn't like the 360 when I played it. I did, loved the online play, loved the games, loved everything about it. But MS....sigh....

PS3

Pros...

Technically, the system is ahead of the XBox 360. How much ahead it not yet determined, since it seems that the skill of developers in working with the hardware hasn't peaked yet for any of the current consoles, but there may be some truly outstanding potential. That means better potential for graphics and overall game-play over time. This one is hard to go into detail for, because to be blunt I don't think we've seen how far this advantage can go (inFamous and Uncharted 2 aside).

Life-cycle/Reliability....Having this degree of graphics potential may mean a longer life-cycle for the PS3 in terms of games being generated for it, although this is relative and will largely depend on the long-term purchase rates for the machine. The "bricking" issue is much less pronounced than with the 360, with the highest failure rates I've seen numbering somewhere around 10% or less on the whole, while some figures for the 360 come between 30-50%. In short, your PS3 will likely be around longer, although this is again in very relative terms, and Microsoft seems to be slowly fixing the issues with the 360 over time. But this is something to consider...the system will likely be around longer, and that may mean more games being developed for it even when the next console generation kicks off (see the current PS2 phenomenon).

Cons...

Multiplayer (Slightly): Although stronger than the Wii, online gaming for the PS3 is not as strong due to the decreased number of consoles in circulation, and the fact that the service is not as well maintained or composed as XBL. Although you do not have to pay for it, something that makes it attractive to people like myself on a restricted budget that only allows for occasional recreational purchases or gifts (see the Holidays), for everyone else this is a relatively minor issue. Cheating is more widespread, and there are fewer gamers available, and with XBL's lead on this the PSN will likely never match the raw numbers, although it is improving itself in terms of connections and cheat-prevention.

Controller: This is a more subjective issue, but I've heard people complain over the years that the PS3 controllers are not as effective for certain genres, specifically the FPS, or even 3rd-person shooters. And then promptly tell me how it's actually better for 3rd-person games, even though they say it is still horrid for 3rd-person shooters. It is hard to tell how seriously to take this, but at the end of the day there does seem to be a degree of cost to this. But, it is difficult to evaluate, and there are likely numerous compatible controllers out there if you are willing to look hard enough. But it is an extra cost to lump in.

Personal biases: I wanted to kill things in pixel form, so I went for an XBox, and got the graphics, and the gore. But I did miss out on some beautiful games on that system, and the bricking of my XBox prior to this has hardened my heart towards MS. I will hopefully be able to buy a PS3, and plan on doing so. Part of the issue is reliability (I want a console that will last at least 5 years, and I don't see a way to obtain a 360 that will do this easily or reliably...although if someone figures it out please let me know!). But part of it is because I don't want to reward MS. Even if the 360 never bricked, I would still have some reluctance towards putting more money in their coffers.

But...if the 360 was faithful, I would still probably buy it. But the PS3 in terms of reliability wins out. And with it comes inFamous, Flower, and Little Big Planet, and Uncharted 2. I will miss Gears of War 2, Condemned 1, and some of the down-loadable content. But I want the reliability, and I'd rather not feed MS more of my money, scarce as it is. Again, that is just my personal opinion. It is motivated by bias and my own experiences. Feel free to love your console, and the games you play on it. I hope you do. This is just what I will likely do, to have a good time. I encourage you do to do likewise.

Wii

Pros...

Reliability: Simply put, Nintendo is next to unstoppable in this department. If you want something durable that is hard to break, you go with them. They know what they are doing with this, for the most part, and the failure rate on the Wii has never been rated higher than 5% anywhere I've seen it posted. And they tend to treat customers whose machines break very well (if they bought the console new, anyway). And even if you get a used, refurbished machine, the odds of it breaking are less than some forms of birth control.

Variety (Old-School/1st Party): Want Mario? Link? Samus? Hit up the Wii, and you will find great games with them in it. Want old classics you thought were gone for systems that broke or got lost? Get them online. Simply put, the level of classic game variety and quality in their main franchises is beyond reproach. Simply excellent.

Ease of Entry: Want to get someone into gaming? Give them a Wii. The control interface is simple, a lot of the games are relatively clean in terms of content or easy to learn, and it takes up very little space. In short...the Wii is a great introductory system, and the quality of easy-entry games are without par. A great stocking stuffer...if your stocking can fit $300 after buying a game and a second controller.

Cons...

Variety (Modern-day): Simply put, the content is limited, and when it isn't it's often censored or experiences a substantial downgrade in terms of graphics. And that's when it's good in the first place.

That's not to say there isn't some great stuff out there...there is. But due to the tendency of Nintendo to censor the material, combined with the limited graphical limitations and the difficulties in designing for the Wii, it seems likely that the Wii's library will remain less extensive for the foreseeable future than its competitors, especially when we throw quality into the mix. Want a good FPS? There's the COD:WAW port and Onslaught on Wiiware. I could think of five notable other examples available for the other two consoles. Fan of violence, sandbox gaming, or horror? Well, there's No More Heroes, HOTD:OK, Dead Space: Extraction, MadWorld, maybe a new Silent Hill game, and a censored version of Manhunt 2. That's...about....it. On the other consoles? The list for that would be pages and pages.
Nintendo really doesn't seem to want to sully its image in terms of seeking out gamers of mature tastes, and at the moment seems to be limiting it's audience almost deliberately. And porting games over from other consoles comes with its own share of control issues and a substantial graphical downgrade. I have heard many people praise Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime: Corruption for their graphics. I have yet to hear that about World at War. As for quality...I'm not going to get into that issue. There aren't enough tissues in the world to stem my tears for some of the titles.

Online play: Dang near non-existant. I am serious, the amount of online play outside of a few games (Mario Kart comes to mind) is severely limited, hard to access, cumbersome and in some cases simply not available. If you want to play with a friend, they will probably have to be next to you in the room half of the time. Now, maybe my data is flawed on this, but why do I keep hearing about problems with SSBB and online play? This is the big title on the Wii that appeals to so many gamers, and you don't have online play with it? Nintendo will probably ameliorate this somewhat, but I really do wonder.

Personal biases: This is a good system. For someone else, this would be the greatest system. For me? Not so much. I have my Mario and Link and Samus fix for the GameCube when I want it, so I don't really need the Wii right now. And the lack of much in the way of 3rd-party content means there isn't much out there outside of the Nintendo Trinity for me to consider buying it, especially in terms of FPSs in the modern context. I have most of my old shooter games, and if I want to I can play Perfect Dark or Golden Eye on my N64. There isn't much else besides No More Heroes that I would want to pick up. And I would rather not pay $200-300 for a system in order to play a single game. Other people may have differing tastes, and I hope they are able to enjoy themselves fully. Myself? I can wait for a Wii. I can wait until Nintendo comes out with its newest shiny system and all those dependable Wiis start going on sale like GameCubes today, for 30-60 USD, and then snap up it and all the games I wanted for a third of the price, or less. The Vulture can wait his time...he did it for Resident Evil 4 for the GameCube, and he can do it again here.

These are just my opinions...I am not Divine, nor do I claim to speak with the Divine on a regular basis. I am fallible, morally and intellectually.

Enjoy your systems, guys and girls of the Escapist!

Addendum: Please note that I did not include costs, since at this point in time the costs for each console are relatively similair. In the past, the PS3 would have received as substantial downgrade for its cost. And that cost is why, in part, I have not considered buying one until this moment.

Also, I do have to say in conclusion that each console is expanding and improving it's software lineup and capabilities over time. Games tend to become available on other consoles as time passes, and it is likely the edge of library superiority will wane in some places over the years.
 

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grimsprice said:
Arbitrary Cidin said:
None of them are better than the other; they're completely different genres of gaming consoles. It's like comparing steak to cake.[/spoiler]
Thank you.

Xbox 360 = Steak
Ps3 = Salad
Wii = Cake
PC= A full meal
While it has a bigger vaeraity, it's way more expensive and sometimes you only want something small.

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