Xbox Boss: Xbox One DRM Controversy "Hurt Me Personally"

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ExtraDebit

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That is insulting coming from someone so high up, it's a lot of words but not saying anything at all. If he would only care to elaborate as to what those "right" reasons he was talking about and how exactly did microsoft miscommunicate to us.

Because from my knowledge they didn't miscommunicate anything and we undersood exactly what their intentions were. They just want all the control they can get giving us things we didn't want and care more about themselves on making profit than making a product gamers want.

They didn't miscommunicate anything, they didn't need to, the product speaks for itself. Changed the world? for the worst perhaps.
 

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So, just last week, he was saying "mistakes were made." Now, he's saying that he was "personally hurt" because "they do things for the right reasons". You know, it's starting to make sense why no one could make head or tails of what the Xbox One actually did and why.
 

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"People pointed out to me that my stupid idea was indeed a stupid idea - and now I feel offended that they noticed it." That's how it sounds to me.
 

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My reaction: http://youtu.be/HFZkWIfFogs?t=32s

Seriously, though, it's awfully suspicious that their bold vision made "for the right reasons" just happened to serve as DRM, and just happened to include an invaluable data collecting tool for advertisers that couldn't be disconnected (according to Yusuf Mehdi).

Really, though, I'm not surprised that they won't say outright that they fucked up on those aspects. His comments echo Albert Penello's about not being convinced they were wrong, and that their initial plans are something they plan to pursue again in the future.
 

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Ah so I take it he's hurting over the sea of microtransactions plaguing xbox one games right now too, right? Right?
Oh wait maybe those are included in those "right reasons" he is referring to.
 

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Saltyk said:

So, just last week, he was saying "mistakes were made." Now, he's saying that he was "personally hurt" because "they do things for the right reasons". You know, it's starting to make sense why no one could make head or tails of what the Xbox One actually did and why.
Sometimes I just feel that people from M$ just need to shut the fuck up and let their action speak for themselves. If they thought xbone was a mistake then go and fix it, don't tell us what we already know: they fucked up.
 

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Ed130 The Vanguard said:
Alex Co said:
Xbox head Phil Spencer claims he was hurt personally regarding the Xbox One's DRM/always-online controversy since he believes Microsoft builds Xbox "for the right reasons."
The right reasons for the customer or the distributors Mr Spencer?
I assume the latter, buuut MS being MS, can't say 100 percent for sure. xD
Mr Ink 5000 said:
I just felt the Xbone was too gimmicky. all the sharing and TV integration and magical processing power of the cloud which would magically speed up gaming. turned me right off. DRM was part of that turn off, but not all of it.
I wasnt planning in investing heavily in this gen as I prefer my PC, but did buy a Wii U as it seemed the most consoley.
Good thing is, Phil Spencer seems to be focusing on games right now -- at least from what he's been saying.

ExtraDebit said:
Saltyk said:

So, just last week, he was saying "mistakes were made." Now, he's saying that he was "personally hurt" because "they do things for the right reasons". You know, it's starting to make sense why no one could make head or tails of what the Xbox One actually did and why.
Sometimes I just feel that people from M$ just need to shut the fuck up and let their action speak for themselves. If they thought xbone was a mistake then go and fix it, don't tell us what we already know: they fucked up.
Yep, but to be fair to Spencer, he's been very open to people on Twitter and has generally been likable. It's like he genuinely knows they screwed up, and wants to make amends.
 

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I'm sorry, Mr. Spencer, but not you, nor Don Mattrick, nor the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ himself will ever convince gamers that "always online DRM" is a good thing for them. It's just not an argument you're ever going to win, sir, and if you expect to be able to win that argument then you should expect to have your feelings absolutely crushed since you apparently take your company's stance on the matter quite personally.

In this case, just imagine the fireworks salesman as MS and David Spade speaks for the gamers...especially the very last line of the clip.

MS: You want me to make a console to play some games? Link up with your friends and play online? And just leave it at that? But this is the modern age, that stuff doesn't work anymore. Which is why we've come out with this shiny new XBox One! We weren't getting by on having a console just for gaming.

Gamers: Come on, you're supposed to be good at playing games, man! I just want to play with my friends!

MS: And I've got to find a way to sell more XBox One's...but I'm going broke with this venture also.

G: Well I see you've got that Kinect and DRM...but where's the good stuff?

MS: The good stuff? This is the good stuff: Kinect and DRM!

G: Are you nuts, dude?!

And you get the idea. :p

Indeed, as David Spade so eloquently puts it: "Well that might be your problem. It's not what you like, it's the consumer."
 

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I think, when you do something for the right reasons, you don't have much problems communicating it the right way.
That avatar gave me a chuckle.

OT: Sure, I get my feelings hurt when people lash out at me for doing stupid shit, but that still means what I did was stupid shit.
 

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Every time I go to a department store, I always get a good chuckle at stopping by the electronics section where I see PS4's sold out, and a shelf full of XBox One's ready for sale. I even see a sign outside, half of the time, proclaiming that the store has XBox One's for sale, and every time I think to myself, 'Why would I want an XBone?' Back in the day, I switched from PS2 to an XBox 360. When I finally get around to getting a next generation console (more games, perhaps a price break), I will be switching back to Playstation. Because of all of the crap that was pulled by Microsoft during their new console launch, I'd personally tell Phil that XBox's bad decisions hurt ME PERSONALLY. Sure it wasn't the loss of bonus salary, nor do I have some sort or religious faith that my favorite Game Companies 'do things for the right reasons,' but I enjoyed my XBox, I loved some of the exclusive titles. I even like the feel of the controller better than Playstation's, though it did take some initial getting used to.

In my belief, companies exist to make money, AND it is impolite in today's societies to say that. We like to call our corporations people (at least here in America) and pretend that they have a singular goal and are good or evil, rather than are guided by groups of people out to make money for themselves and their employees (sometimes, not even the latter). Microsoft's DRM decisions were (most likely) based on profit and controlling profits. But when groups of people set their minds to something, they tend to get a little full of themselves and find it harder to see their own errors. Due to (as far as I know) poor sales, and perhaps some awkward belief that we (the gamers) were wrong about Microsoft's potentially world-changingly awesome DRM, we're still getting reminded why I (personally) hate the XBone, even months after the non-player friendly shenanigans have all been changed.

This may sound cruel, but I wish an example made of Microsoft. I want XBox to go under. Let somebody else step up as the third console manufacturer and let everybody know the price of going against your customer base. I want game console developers for the next couple of decades looking back and saying, "Are you crazy? We can't treat our customers like that! Don't you remember what happened to XBox?!"

As for old comments about not sugar-coating the things that make player's unhappy. I remember getting VERY offended when someone from XBox, via twitter said, that they have a console for playing 360 games. It was called the XBox 360. If that's sugar coating, I'd hate to see what bitter-news is to them.
 

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While I appreciate Microsoft's attempt to back-peddle on how much they've destroyed the Xbox One's pre-launch hype and thus its current PR state, they totally brought it upon themselves.
 

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Alex Co said:
I believe in why this company builds products. It's one of the reasons why the whole thing around last summer with Xbox kind of hurt me personally so much...Because I know we build Xbox for the right reasons. We didn't completely communicate it the right way; some of the decisions maybe didn't land or weren't the right decisions and we changed some of those. But this a company that has the resources to really do things that change the world.
or in plain english

I LOVE MONEY , so last summer when our sales predictions plummeted , hurt my bonus :( because ya know we make the xbox for profit, the truth accidentally got out we had to reign in some of the craziest shit. but we are bigger than google ! LOVE ME!
 

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Ed130 The Vanguard said:
Alex Co said:
Xbox head Phil Spencer claims he was hurt personally regarding the Xbox One's DRM/always-online controversy since he believes Microsoft builds Xbox "for the right reasons."
The right reasons for the customer or the distributors Mr Spencer?
Well, the end goal of any responsible company is to do the right thing for its investors (by raising shareholder value). Whether that's the best approach in terms of the relationship between corporations and society is debatable, but that's the reality.

Of course in the long term that necessitates maintaining a loyal customer base too, hopefully
 

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The right reasons for who ? Your shareholders ! Honestly this guy is so full of it, whist i agree that a digital distribution system is not a bad thing you have to implement it correctly and you did not do this.

Take steam for example (putting aside the current new old games thing for a moment) you cannot trade in a steam game and you have to be online to activate / install the game, but that's it no checking in every x hours no disabling your games if you don't go online. If you are online it will check the game when you launch it, if you are offline it wont. You can buy on steam or you can buy on green man or buy physical and activate the code on steam, the microshaft system would have stifled the competition and let them charge what the hell they wanted ( they do this anyway), on steam you get sales and genuine competition, as a result the games are cheaper so you dont need that extra cash from trade ins.

But what Microsoft wanted to do was to own everything rip people off AND have DRM up the arse, never has the phrase "wanted to Eat there cake and have it too" been more accurate. ( and yes this quote is backwards but it make more seance this way )

Oh and microsoft and sony and EA listen up

Digital games cost less to produce and distribute so should cost less to buy!

Developers

Stop spending money like its water and possibly then your over inflated budgets will allow you to sell games at less than £60 and you have to sell 10067 million copies to break even. This is also known as the from software method.
 

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Y'know, if consumers were given a choice, it actually would've been harmless and good. Full installs and discless-but-DRM'd play for those who want it, and DRM-free but disc-required play for the rest. Give us the option, and everybody's happy.

P.S. Thanks
 

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Enough of this stupid all-words damage control. We know already that every overpaid exec at M$ is hurt that the general populous said a triumphant "Fuck You!" to the worst console DRM ever, therefore ruining their sales predictions and under the counter deals with the stupid, equally greedy, paranoid publishers.

What MS needs to do now is speak with actions.

People don't like the Kinect. It raises the price, will never be used right, and doesn't interest a good deal of the potential xbox customer base. Drop that thing, now.

Requiring Gold to use Netflix and similar services is petty. Make that free and entice people to get a gold subscription with free weekends of real gold features. Online multi-player and the monthly free games are a fair paid subscription offer, not charging someone extra to stream from a third party that they already payed.

MS's whole public image needs an overhaul. Stop giving mixed answers. Explain why you did something a certain way, instead of turning your argument into a list of selling points that won't even work on the world's most gullible man.

If MS does not address these and many more issues by E3, I'm pretty sure many people, myself included, are going to only ever be entertained by the xbone by reading online about its many fumbles. Instead of giving a company that won't fix, or even admit, its flaws my money, I'll save up for some new PC parts and maybe a Wii U.
 

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Imo the only reason so many gamers said NO! to DRM was because of the other failings of the console compared to the PS4 which wins out on horsepower and price.

Whatever the case I'm glad MS are eating some humble pie since they've really become ignorant of the customer this past couple of years (more so than usual).