Xbox One Achievements Are About More Than Gamerscore

[Infernal Lawyer]

Wait wait wait... Let me get this straight... If I get enough achievements, whether that be through standard gameplay, finding secrets, or performing awesome feats, then Microsoft is going to 'reward' me with exclusive previews, demos and shit, which all boils down to trying to get me to purchase another product?

Am I the only one who's terrified that corporations are going to try to implement this idea that advertisements are supposed to be some sort of reward for the customer? Are they trying to make us BEG for ads?

 

[KoudelkaMorgan]

I believe the more accurate headline is "Due to crippling negative backlash and juvenile comments from their own PR department, Microsoft jangles their keys in front of the masses. Oooh Shiny!"

Microsoft could use a distraction. Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Conway Twitty!

Then Microsoft does that strange little dance that Ashley Simpson did off stage after she was caught lipsynching on SNL.

 

[Therumancer]

Hmm, well, it occurs to me that this is less likely to be used to breathe life into older games more than to help market newer gamers. What's more when they mention "subscription extensions" it pretty much means they seem to be keeping the idea of "people shall pay for our multiplayer" and chances are that alone will keep me away from the new X-box, I don't play multiplayer very often, but I do not agree with paying X # of $ per month for the right to get my head kicked in with whatever fighting game I'm interested in for the moment. If the Playstation keeps that free, that's where I go. Chances are this generation I won't be buying both consoles again.

You have to pay a monthly subscription of 5 euros, I don't know the rest of the prices but i suspect it's $/£5 too, keep in mind this is for multiplayer every other online function like communication is free but this means you have PS+ too meaning you get all the benefits plus multiplayer (not that buy saying "Plus" is a bonus or anything).

PS4 have done similar if not the same as Xbone, the difference is, PS4 didn't reveal too much at first too (and i'm guessing) re think their strategy
-No DRM for first or even second party games.
-DRM is all on the publishers
-Giving more tangible (sorta) benefits for online subscription
-No convoluted way to block used games or traded games
these are small things but just enough and they don't pander or condescend like M$ did, it may not last, after 4 years they may make their online completely free. But at the moment PS4 are being reasonable, i doubt i'll take advantage more than 4 times though as i like fighting games.

That could be true, but as I understood things Playstation multiplayer was going to remain free, the plus service was just for other features pretty much like it is now (ie free games you can play as long as you keep up your plus membership, discounts, etc....).

 

[Therumancer]

I love how Microsoft continually act like they've reinvented the wheel, when really all they've done is taken a wheel everyone else perfected long ago and made it so the wheel falls of your axle if you don't check into the garage every day.

good analogy, but i'd say they took large gears out of a machine and replaced them with smallers gears half of which don't affect the main mechanism.

I see your analogy, and raise you a 'they designed and marketed the car around the stereo rather than the car'.

Call

"The Xbone has become an excessive Swiss Army Knife, a core product propped up by Mediocre, impracticle or useless features features"

Well, the vision of the future being pursued is to create an "all in one" system like some near future novels that combines everything into one system. The problem is that we're not quite there in terms of the infrastructure or desirability yet. Microsoft seems to be hoping that by cramming all of this social stuff and other features into this system, they can get people to use the X-box for everything rather than other social services like Facebook or whatever, and thus wind up in control of, and taking a cut from, pretty much everything. Their objective which is actually ahead of it's time on some levels, is both bogged down by excessive greed, and misses the point that people don't want to give up the other was they do these things, they just want the X-box to play games. Oddly the simplicity of a console (put a game in, start playing) is one of it's big selling points, and as Microsoft (and admittedly others) jam more and more into it, and require all these registrations, menus, and online services to do anything, they are shooting themselves in the foot and not providing the product people fundamentally want. PC gaming might make a comeback because at the end of the day the consoles are becoming just as much of a headache to work with, and with a PC you just pay for your internet, not another service on top of that.

All told though, you are kind of seeing a vision of the future, since I do believe all these devices and services will be intergrated together at some point. The thing is that for this to work someone is going to have to innovate a new infrastructure that replaces the old one and get there ahead of everyone else, and take over the new market, while at the same time not being totally greedy about it in order to make it accessible to everyone. When and how this will occur is unknown, but I feel it will given time... it will be through whatever winds up truly replacing the internet. As things stand now it's impossible to see this kind of intergrated system because all the carriers, companies, and infrastructure providers all want a separate cut, and on top of that want to control everything, so you wind up in a situation where nothing is truly simple or intergrated since your forced to use a separate infrastructure for each and every business player in anything you do. Even PCs wind up being jammed with internet cookies due to the fact that just doing basic stuff you have to register with as many as a dozen different companies and sites and all of them expect to track you and have you go through a billing and business infrastructure they control.

At any rate, I'm rambling. The bottom line is I agree with you... from the way it sounds the new Xbox is going to be a disaster It seems like a clunky attempt to make a machine that does everything, when really people want it to only do one thing.

 

[Fireprufe15]

What? Why? Okay if I didn't think microsoft completely lost it till now, now I definitely do think so. We don't need MOTIVATION to play games. If we weren't already motivated to play games, we wouldn't spend $499 on a console & $60 on a game for it. Stop thinking games are work microsoft, they aren't. They are games.

Whatever happened to the customer is always right? Have game companies forgotten that motto?

 

[FalloutJack]

I can't understand why achievements were ever a thing, really. Why would it matter to me now?

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Fuck achievements in general. The absolute only time I have ever though achievements could be good was Ratchet and Clank games. Insomniac know how to do achievements.

As for watching TV and unlocking things, it's the same as eating Doritos and getting exp. Ridiculous arbitrary fucking why.

 

[Mikeyfell]

Microsoft's overhauled Achievements and Challenges systems will, at long last, give you the motivation you need to play videogames.

at long last, give you the motivation you need to play videogames.

give you the motivation you need to play videogames.

the motivation you need to play videogames.

MOTIVATION... PLAY

Is Microsoft admitting that they don't...
Uh...

I...
uh...

huh?
*Sigh*

Now, I like Achievements. (More than Trophies) Doing something cool in a game and getting a little arbitrary number as a reward is pretty cool.

and that 975/1000 has kept me playing a game longer than I might have, there's a certain satisfaction in "thousanding a game" I play differently than I normally do, I'm forced to play better than I normally do. and yes I do get more frustrated than I normally do at some of the more tedious Achievements. I think all and all Achievements are a positive thing.

But...
But, if Microsoft seriously believes that there is no motivation to play video games beyond their stupid arbitrary reward points they should not be allowed to publish video games.

Games. Are. Fun.
That's the only fucking motivation you need to play them.
If you're not having fun, you put the game down.
If you are having fun, you play that game until your thumbs break off your hands and flee for their safety.
If Microsoft can't be bothered to make games worth playing because their Achievement system is the only thing motivating players to play their games they should just stop. Take their hands off the keyboards and go home.

As if I needed more reasons to hate their Kinnect spying, DRM laden glorified Cable box that still has the nerve to charge money for Xbox live

 

[neppakyo]

*sigh* I just have four words to say; I fucking hate achievements.

 

[Proverbial Jon]

I very rarely go after achievements so this won't make one jot of difference to me.

Mostly because I'm not purchasing an Xbox One console.

 

[Arawn]

Like mentioned the weekend headshot thing is much like ME3' s multiplayer. Nothing new there. It's the TV achievements that are silly.

 

[crazy_madness]

cheeeer!
thank you microsoooft =))))) <3 xxx
i finally got a reason to play videogames!!
...
hahah
what brilliant entertainers they are!
they know their craft!

 

[rob_simple]

I think the community challenges thing is a really cool idea.

That's it. That is literally the only positive thing I have found to say about the Xbone so far.

Man, Meatloaf would have had to have made the song so much longer if it had been 'One out of Loads and Loads Ain't Bad'.

 

[Seanfall]

I...ugh...gah...bu...Omg the stupidity in that statement has brought my brain to a screeching halt. Achievements for watching TV?

'Congratulations you watched 50 episodes of 'jersey shore' without killing yourself!'

....Microsoft...go home your...well fucking stupid but lets go ahead and say 'drunk' to give you an excuse.

 

[Shamanic Rhythm]

Achievements for watching TV?

'Congratulations you watched 50 episodes of 'jersey shore' without killing yourself!'

For that kind of achievement, you should be rewarded with more than Gamerscore. I'm thinking nothing less ten million dollars and free beer for the rest of your life.

 

[luvd1]

Will there be achievements for watching porn too? This is fun. First fad was the health kick with motion capture to get gamers off their lard arses and save the world from obesity and now fek it you achievement hunters, build up your trophies by shovelling those nachos to WWE.

 

[The Lugz]

have they made an achievement for not buying the console yet?
i'd be a pro at collecting that one. ( it actually is possible, I have a xbl account for my pc games. )
they could call it 'kicked the habbit' or 'sheep don't say no'


#edit OOOO 1337 post, must be a sign.

 

[Simple Bluff]

Microsoft's overhauled Achievements and Challenges systems will, at long last, give you the motivation you need to play videogames.

at long last, give you the motivation you need to play videogames.

give you the motivation you need to play videogames.

the motivation you need to play videogames.

MOTIVATION... PLAY

Is Microsoft admitting that they don't...
Uh...

I...
uh...

huh?
*Sigh*

Erm... nobody at MS actually SAID that. That was a joke by Cognimancer.
Anyway, I'm not against the idea. Achievements are cool I suppose, but they're so much nicer when you can get unlockables with them. I just hope that they unlock more in-game content (WHERE THE HELL DID BIG HEAD MODE GO, INSOMNIAC) than sneak peek stuff. But even if not, it's still a bonus.

 

[ASnogarD]

I personally dislike Achievements...

They take away focus from playing the game to hunting the achievements, in single player no problem but multiplayer... pain.
I was playing TF 2 PC a while back and slowly managed to charge up my Ubercharge and saw a Pyro in a perfect setup to smash the enemy team with a well timed Ubercharge, so I activated my Ubercharge on the Pyro and...

... man sat there 'air guitaring' for a achievement (taunting the enemy while under the effects of a ubercharge... or something like that).

The achievements are mostly useless patting the player on the head for... playing, really. Dead Space 3, hey dumbass actually managed to click on the bench, achievement! Ohhh, now he even managed to put a gun together, achievement. Oh emm gee, he actually found the trigger... MEGA ACHIEVEMENT.
... he reloaded, no way, all by himself.

You get the picture, CoD is much worse in that regards... the first 10 secs of play is nothing but achievements popping up.

 

[Quellist]

So, being that streaming porn will be available and kinect monitors our every move, will M$ be offering achievements for cracking one off? And what sort of rewards would follow?