Xbox One Will Not Have Backwards Compatibility Via Cloud Streaming

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Lunar Templar

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And this comes to the total surprise of ... no one really ...

I mean did anyone really expect this thing to be backward compatible anyway?

Does seem a little silly that they aren't gonna try and make you buy some of the "better 360 games" agian
 

Canadamus Prime

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Is it my imagination or have we had more news about what next gen consoles won't do than we have about what they will do?
 

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josemlopes said:
I know right? After hearing the 24/7 worshiping of the cloud from fanboys, it can't even emulate a 360? What makes it worse is that Sony's promised Playstation 1-3 emulation some time next year...
 

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Mr Ink 5000 said:
Denamic said:
Emulation is out the window, because not even top-tier gaming PCs come close to having the power to emulate the PS3 and 360 hardware yet.
well a quick google found an emulator with these requirements for the 360:

Minimum:
OS: Windows XP, Vista or Windows 7
Processor: Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz or Althon X2 2.7 GHz
RAM: 2GB
Graphic card: ATI Radeon 3870 or higher, Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT or higher.
Graphics card memory: 512 MB
Not even close to top tier
I assume you're referring to the Xenia emulator which is the only legit 360 emulator I know of. Trouble is those requirements don't really mean much seeing as the emulator doesn't actually play games yet, and likely won't for a long time. It's theoretically possible that 360 games could be emulated on current hardware since it's the closest to an actual PC of any of the consoles available right now, but we're a long way from that being a realistic possibility since emulating a console (or in this case, recompiling games) is no easy feat to accomplish. Maybe if you had access to all of the actual design documentation about the console and it's firmware you could do it in a relatively short time, but no one making a PC emulator for free is ever going to have access to that. So instead they have a whole lot of reverse engineering to do, and it only gets harder and more time consuming as consoles become more complex.
 

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Mr Ink 5000 said:
Denamic said:
Emulation is out the window, because not even top-tier gaming PCs come close to having the power to emulate the PS3 and 360 hardware yet.
well a quick google found an emulator with these requirements for the 360:

Minimum:
OS: Windows XP, Vista or Windows 7
Processor: Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz or Althon X2 2.7 GHz
RAM: 2GB
Graphic card: ATI Radeon 3870 or higher, Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT or higher.
Graphics card memory: 512 MB
Not even close to top tier
Heh heh, they're funny.

Any emulator which claims that you need (quote) "a Xbox 360 Blu-ray" clearly isn't technically competent to run anything.
 
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@Vivi22 @Kinitawowi
No idea how well these emulators work, I found two each for 360 and PS3, but they were all ready for download and one was boasting running GTAV

Unfortunately I can not test them out as downloading an Iso image of a game is probably piracy, but even if these things run a little temperamental, I'm sure Sony and MS could do it better and charge for an app.
 

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Mr Ink 5000 said:
@Vivi22 @Kinitawowi
No idea how well these emulators work, I found two each for 360 and PS3, but they were all ready for download and one was boasting running GTAV

Unfortunately I can not test them out as downloading an Iso image of a game is probably piracy, but even if these things run a little temperamental, I'm sure Sony and MS could do it better and charge for an app.
No, there is no actual emulator for this gen out there, even for the previous gen its still a work in progress.
 

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Well I never really expected it to do that, I think marketing departments need to calm down about cloud processing. I'll just hold on to my 360, it's no big thing.
Getting real tired of this anti-hype train people sony fanboys keep running against the xbox.
 
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josemlopes said:
Mr Ink 5000 said:
@Vivi22 @Kinitawowi
No idea how well these emulators work, I found two each for 360 and PS3, but they were all ready for download and one was boasting running GTAV

Unfortunately I can not test them out as downloading an Iso image of a game is probably piracy, but even if these things run a little temperamental, I'm sure Sony and MS could do it better and charge for an app.
No, there is no actual emulator for this gen out there, even for the previous gen its still a work in progress.
the sites I looked at said the emulators were ready for download. Seems pretty reasonable that 8 year old consoles can be emulated.
 

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Mr Ink 5000 said:
josemlopes said:
Mr Ink 5000 said:
@Vivi22 @Kinitawowi
No idea how well these emulators work, I found two each for 360 and PS3, but they were all ready for download and one was boasting running GTAV

Unfortunately I can not test them out as downloading an Iso image of a game is probably piracy, but even if these things run a little temperamental, I'm sure Sony and MS could do it better and charge for an app.
No, there is no actual emulator for this gen out there, even for the previous gen its still a work in progress.
the sites I looked at said the emulators were ready for download. Seems pretty reasonable that 8 year old consoles can be emulated.
The process of emulating a console isnt just power, thats why its called emulation, the PC has to simulate the exact same conditions of the console on top of itself and when the console uses a different structure then you can see why it isnt as basic.

There are a lot of scam emulators, if you go to an actual emulation forum you will see that there isnt actually any PS3/Xbox 360 emulator out there that can play games, there isnt even a properly functional emulator for the original Xbox due to lack of proper information about the system.
 

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tdylan said:
"MS is introducing innovations that the world is simply not ready for. It's not MS' fault the rest of the world doesn't have the resources and the infrastructure in place to keep up?"
More like the rest of the world doesn't want to place infrastructure and instead are complacend with ISPs midday robberies and unrealiable internet. From the prices they are putting on internet in pretty much any first world country they are making so much profit that they could give everyone fiber optics, twice. But why do that if your costumers are not going to complain about shitty internet they got now, right?
I mean i heard your contracts dont even have uptime of internet specified. why? of course so they couldnt be sued for failing to provide service we pay them for.

canadamus_prime said:
Is it my imagination or have we had more news about what next gen consoles won't do than we have about what they will do?
Yep. I did point out couple times already that if Microsoft continues to announce features they are taking out at the same rate till launch the console will end up being an expensive papperweight.

After that, Sony started such announcements as well....
 
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josemlopes said:
Mr Ink 5000 said:
josemlopes said:
Mr Ink 5000 said:
@Vivi22 @Kinitawowi
No idea how well these emulators work, I found two each for 360 and PS3, but they were all ready for download and one was boasting running GTAV

Unfortunately I can not test them out as downloading an Iso image of a game is probably piracy, but even if these things run a little temperamental, I'm sure Sony and MS could do it better and charge for an app.
No, there is no actual emulator for this gen out there, even for the previous gen its still a work in progress.
the sites I looked at said the emulators were ready for download. Seems pretty reasonable that 8 year old consoles can be emulated.
The process of emulating a console isnt just power, thats why its called emulation, the PC has to simulate the exact same conditions of the console on top of itself and when the console uses a different structure then you can see why it isnt as basic.

There are a lot of scam emulators, if you go to an actual emulation forum you will see that there isnt actually any PS3/Xbox 360 emulator out there that can play games, there isnt even a properly functional emulator for the original Xbox due to lack of proper information about the system.
do you have any links to legitimate emulator forums? I'm quite curious to look into this.
 

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Mr Ink 5000 said:
josemlopes said:
Mr Ink 5000 said:
josemlopes said:
Mr Ink 5000 said:
@Vivi22 @Kinitawowi
No idea how well these emulators work, I found two each for 360 and PS3, but they were all ready for download and one was boasting running GTAV

Unfortunately I can not test them out as downloading an Iso image of a game is probably piracy, but even if these things run a little temperamental, I'm sure Sony and MS could do it better and charge for an app.
No, there is no actual emulator for this gen out there, even for the previous gen its still a work in progress.
the sites I looked at said the emulators were ready for download. Seems pretty reasonable that 8 year old consoles can be emulated.
The process of emulating a console isnt just power, thats why its called emulation, the PC has to simulate the exact same conditions of the console on top of itself and when the console uses a different structure then you can see why it isnt as basic.

There are a lot of scam emulators, if you go to an actual emulation forum you will see that there isnt actually any PS3/Xbox 360 emulator out there that can play games, there isnt even a properly functional emulator for the original Xbox due to lack of proper information about the system.
do you have any links to legitimate emulator forums? I'm quite curious to look into this.
Emuparadise is a very cool site

Their main site:
http://www.emuparadise.me/
Here are their forums:
http://www.epforums.org/forum.php
 
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josemlopes said:
Mr Ink 5000 said:
josemlopes said:
Mr Ink 5000 said:
josemlopes said:
Mr Ink 5000 said:
@Vivi22 @Kinitawowi
No idea how well these emulators work, I found two each for 360 and PS3, but they were all ready for download and one was boasting running GTAV

Unfortunately I can not test them out as downloading an Iso image of a game is probably piracy, but even if these things run a little temperamental, I'm sure Sony and MS could do it better and charge for an app.
No, there is no actual emulator for this gen out there, even for the previous gen its still a work in progress.
the sites I looked at said the emulators were ready for download. Seems pretty reasonable that 8 year old consoles can be emulated.
The process of emulating a console isnt just power, thats why its called emulation, the PC has to simulate the exact same conditions of the console on top of itself and when the console uses a different structure then you can see why it isnt as basic.

There are a lot of scam emulators, if you go to an actual emulation forum you will see that there isnt actually any PS3/Xbox 360 emulator out there that can play games, there isnt even a properly functional emulator for the original Xbox due to lack of proper information about the system.
do you have any links to legitimate emulator forums? I'm quite curious to look into this.
Emuparadise is a very cool site

Their main site:
http://www.emuparadise.me/
Here are their forums:
http://www.epforums.org/forum.php
thanks I'l have a good look at that tonight. Always fun to broaden knowledge
 

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On the whole power debate: To this day you need high-end hardware to ACCURATELY emulate an SNES. Why does that matter? This article [http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/08/accuracy-takes-power-one-mans-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/] explains it.

So, current gen emulators will MAYBE play a few select games, because they're not console emulators, but "the parts of a console to play these 4 games" emulators.
 

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Strazdas said:
canadamus_prime said:
Is it my imagination or have we had more news about what next gen consoles won't do than we have about what they will do?
Yep. I did point out couple times already that if Microsoft continues to announce features they are taking out at the same rate till launch the console will end up being an expensive papperweight.

After that, Sony started such announcements as well....
Precisely. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the next generation supposed to build upon what the previous one could do, as opposed to doing less than the previous one?
 

Strazdas

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canadamus_prime said:
Strazdas said:
canadamus_prime said:
Is it my imagination or have we had more news about what next gen consoles won't do than we have about what they will do?
Yep. I did point out couple times already that if Microsoft continues to announce features they are taking out at the same rate till launch the console will end up being an expensive papperweight.

After that, Sony started such announcements as well....
Precisely. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the next generation supposed to build upon what the previous one could do, as opposed to doing less than the previous one?
It would, but it seems that in effort to keep expenses down they decided not to factor in any actual logic when designing these things.
 

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I'm waiting for when they, with regret, announce that the Xbox One won't be able to play games at all, but instead you just pay $500 for it to spy and advertise to you.
People may not see this a big deal, and just go DUHHHH SONY FANBOYS but given how the PS4 is planned to be doing this sort of stuff, and that the Xbox was banking on the power of the cloud to make up for it's shortcomings, which is now less than we thought, things aren't looking good.
 

Canadamus Prime

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Strazdas said:
canadamus_prime said:
Strazdas said:
canadamus_prime said:
Is it my imagination or have we had more news about what next gen consoles won't do than we have about what they will do?
Yep. I did point out couple times already that if Microsoft continues to announce features they are taking out at the same rate till launch the console will end up being an expensive papperweight.

After that, Sony started such announcements as well....
Precisely. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the next generation supposed to build upon what the previous one could do, as opposed to doing less than the previous one?
It would, but it seems that in effort to keep expenses down they decided not to factor in any actual logic when designing these things.
Along with common sense, reason, and all concept of reality presumably.
 

Strazdas

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canadamus_prime said:
Strazdas said:
canadamus_prime said:
Strazdas said:
canadamus_prime said:
Is it my imagination or have we had more news about what next gen consoles won't do than we have about what they will do?
Yep. I did point out couple times already that if Microsoft continues to announce features they are taking out at the same rate till launch the console will end up being an expensive papperweight.

After that, Sony started such announcements as well....
Precisely. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the next generation supposed to build upon what the previous one could do, as opposed to doing less than the previous one?
It would, but it seems that in effort to keep expenses down they decided not to factor in any actual logic when designing these things.
Along with common sense, reason, and all concept of reality presumably.
That will be confirmed after the next public auditing. Or maybe not as they tend to stick unrelated things under one line in thier accounting.