Yeah, with a lesser focus on clown car tactics and each soldier actually having enough basic training to hit something, there's less risk of death overall, but more losses incurred when your specialization goes up in smoke from bad luck or bad decision.
XCOM: Enemy Unknown Has Permadeath For A Reason
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I'm fine with this. The only change I want to XCom's difficulty is to change the learning curve into a curve instead of a punch in the face.
If this game doesn't sell well, this kind of classic 90s computer game is going to be basically fucked forever though.
If this game doesn't sell well, this kind of classic 90s computer game is going to be basically fucked forever though.
Wait...
They are giving the game to a design team that understands what was appealing about an old series they are rebooting?
STOP THE PRESSES! D:
They are giving the game to a design team that understands what was appealing about an old series they are rebooting?
STOP THE PRESSES! D:
A little clarification here. By "permadeath", we just mean that if someone takes a fatal injury, they aren't going to be Phoenix Downed back into the storyline, yes? As per the original X-Com, that is- dead is dead, and if you care that much, you're going to have to load an earlier save point.
'Cuz- don't laugh- I played a couple of games designed by sadistic bastards back in the day wherein if characters died, they saved that status- that is, even when you reloaded, they were still dead. And I really never found that particular quirk endearing.
'Cuz- don't laugh- I played a couple of games designed by sadistic bastards back in the day wherein if characters died, they saved that status- that is, even when you reloaded, they were still dead. And I really never found that particular quirk endearing.
Don't worry, you can save characters back into existence. The devs mentioned doing this a few times during play testing during their interview with Angry Joe and The Spoony One.Callate said:
Perma-death? Perma-death!? FUCK YEAH! I've been waiting for a challenge like this, BRING IT ON! URGH!
Hes right: I am going to love the extra difficulty that comes with training a mook into a full blown Commando Badass, only to have him die by having his guts ripped out by a Berserker in the last month before I destroy the last of the aliens, And then I will feel like a prick because I made a stupid move that got him attacked in the first place. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AFatherToHisMen]
It reminds me of Tom Clancys: Endwar, except taken further. In Endwar, you could respawn your unit as long as one squad/vehicle was still alive....Not now.
If they keep the wound system from the original then the purpose of a medic (if there is one) won't be to bring soldiers back to life, because dead is dead, but to prevent soldiers from bleeding out before the mission ends... just like it should be.tmande2nd said:
In Xcom if your team goes down, the enemy gets the ship they took to get there as well.BOOM headshot65 said:
Hes right: I am going to love the extra difficulty that comes with training a mook into a full blown Commando Badass, only to have him die by having his guts ripped out by a Berserker in the last month before I destroy the last of the aliens, And then I will feel like a prick because I made a stupid move that got him attacked in the first place. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AFatherToHisMen]
It reminds me of Tom Clancys: Endwar, except taken further. In Endwar, you could respawn your unit as long as one squad/vehicle was still alive....Not now.
Guess what was a common occurrence in the first games? (Tip: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T CLUSTER.)tmande2nd said:
And the whole point of "perma-death" is that there is no Phoenix Down, Resurrect spell, etc. So no, no res option. Sorry.
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Where there's a will...
Yeah. In the original it usually boiled down to just having the recruits rush in, die, and having your good dudes clean up whatever's left.GloatingSwine said:
So yeah, I like the change to a smaller squad. Their reason for doing so makes a decent amount of sense, and isn't the standard "we changed it to appeal to a broader audience" bullshit.
I honestly wouldnt mind it being 6 or 8 and moving up from theretoomuchnothing said:
I always used 6-8 ppl in a mission with the rest waiting as backup in the skyranger
I just wish it started at 6 or 8 then I could use my normal numbers 4 just feels to small to me but im not completly dismissing it I plan to buy this on release as im a XCOM addict right now replaying the entire seriesIrridium said:
Permadeath in the original X-COM 1 and 3 was a staple of a mission report on any of the higher difficulties.
Agents were very easily replaced. (TOP QUALITY agents, however, were not.)
I agree with their sentiments; less hand-holding means the player might actually see RISK in their game. Something that doesn't exist in most of the market right now.
Turns off most of the market? Let them try it first. This isn't contrived artificial difficulty from the 90s where obscurity convolution and tedium ran rampant in most games.
It's just an example of CONSEQUENCES for failure; Not mere trial-and-error "Durr. Load Last Checkpoint."
Agents were very easily replaced. (TOP QUALITY agents, however, were not.)
I agree with their sentiments; less hand-holding means the player might actually see RISK in their game. Something that doesn't exist in most of the market right now.
Turns off most of the market? Let them try it first. This isn't contrived artificial difficulty from the 90s where obscurity convolution and tedium ran rampant in most games.
It's just an example of CONSEQUENCES for failure; Not mere trial-and-error "Durr. Load Last Checkpoint."