yes yes I know. another sonic thread.
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Sonic doesn't belong in an open world. It just doesn't work with him. If he was in an open world game that was actually good, it probably Look, Sonic is wouldn't feel like a Sonic game.SsilverR said:
Look, Sonic is dead. You can't make a good Sonic game now. The formula for the original Sonic games just doesn't work in full 3D. Sonic is an outdated franchise. The only good Sonic games would be those that mimic the old Sonic games, and they would not live up to the expectations of modern video games.
Look, people don't want new Sonic. They want classic Sonic. The game play of classic Sonic just doesn't fit in with the advanced video games of this generation. It simply does not work. If you find a way to prove me wrong, then I'll take back what I said.SsilverR said:
you know get over yourselves people, any game given the right mechanics can be good, (and vice versa). If they did make a sonic sandbox, or an online sonic game, there is no guarantee that it will be bad, heck Sonic Team may come up with a miracle but don't doubt it before you play it. Games haven surprised us before, look at Kingdom Hearts. It was the worst idea known to video game history yet it worked, very well, why because it was handled properly.
Fat plumber saving princess
Donald Duck and Cloud Strife in the same game
A kid catching Monkeys
A guy fighting aliens and at the end being revealed female
An ocarina being a key element a game
A lego version of Batman
A gun that only shoot portals with a psycho robot offering cake!
All these ideas when stripped down to the initial thought are Stupid yet they worked very well. Don't knock it till ya try it people
Fat plumber saving princess
Donald Duck and Cloud Strife in the same game
A kid catching Monkeys
A guy fighting aliens and at the end being revealed female
An ocarina being a key element a game
A lego version of Batman
A gun that only shoot portals with a psycho robot offering cake!
All these ideas when stripped down to the initial thought are Stupid yet they worked very well. Don't knock it till ya try it people
ok first of all, who exactly are you speaking for when you say "Look, people don't want new Sonic" .. when the hell did you become ambassador for people and gamers everywhere???Internet Kraken said:
secondly games have been experimenting with genre replacement for a long time .. if it's good it's good .. if not then back to the drawing board ... sonic sells, that's why it hasn't been changed much recently ... but a genre is never dead because 1 or 2 people say so .. and it's certainly not done experimenting ... so next time instead of quoting yhatzee why not think about it a little and form ur own opinion
Ay AY (yes yes) Heck I didn't find the sonic RPG made by bioware half bad, it even made some characters more likable. Obviously it can be done, the RPG wasn't GREAT but it was the best Sonic game in awhileSsilverR said:
As much fun as that game might be, it'll never happen. Sonic Team knows their audience very well, and as such, they understand that they can spend two weeks on a game, slap the Sonic logo on it, and still stand to make a profit.
Why work hard to make a great game if it'll sell like hotcakes regardless of quality? I know a lot of gamers don't really think of game development in these terms, but Sonic Team has pretty much proven beyond all doubt that this is their credo.
Why work hard to make a great game if it'll sell like hotcakes regardless of quality? I know a lot of gamers don't really think of game development in these terms, but Sonic Team has pretty much proven beyond all doubt that this is their credo.
That's an observation. A lot of people always say "We want the old 2D Sonic games back". I'm not basing this on my own personal desires. I've never been a huge Sonic fan. This is just what I've observed from a lot of people.SsilverR said:
Again, if you can prove to me that Sonic is not dead then I will believe. My point is that the original game play mechanics of Sonic don't work in modern games. They are outdated. If you can find a way to make these game play mechanics work then Sonic is not a dead franchise.
Also, why the hell did you bring up Yahtzee? Do you really think that everyone that has a similar opinion to Yahtzee based their opinion on what he said? If that was true then I would be throwing around Yahtzee quotes to help support my argument.
on the PS2 capcom remastered the 2D platformer with Viewtiful Joe ... that game was a hit .. some imagination and determination are all you need to bring stuff like that back ... also, u want proof that it's not dead? .. ok ... how about this, sonic game after sonic game, they're being released practically by the dozen ... takes alot of money and company time to make a game ... so releasing flop after flop at that speed would be financial suicide ... yet sega are still going strong ..hmmm could it be because they're making more money than they're losing on this "dead franchise"Internet Kraken said:
numbers don't lie .. and as far as genre remastering goes, it was done once and it can be done again ... but we're talking about a sandbox prototype style game
pondering...SsilverR said:
pondering...
pondering...
Might be worth a shot. Write it up, send copies to sonic team, and keep the original incase someone else tries to take full credit; but don't laminate it so that if it is similar to what E.T. the game was at that time, you can burn your original.
I'm not sure Sonic would be any fun in an expansive world. Sonic seems to work best running at high speeds in one direction jumping around a bunch of obstacles.
I personally liked Sonic Adventure (except the adventure stages) and Sonic Adventure 2 (Sonic stages only) but a return to a 2d playing field (2.5 D style would work) might genuinely save sonic. The only decent Sonic games made recently seem to be the ones for DS and they're almost exclusively 2D.
I personally liked Sonic Adventure (except the adventure stages) and Sonic Adventure 2 (Sonic stages only) but a return to a 2d playing field (2.5 D style would work) might genuinely save sonic. The only decent Sonic games made recently seem to be the ones for DS and they're almost exclusively 2D.
You're going off on irrelevant tangents. First of all, I think we both view the death of a franchise in different ways. I believe a franchise is dead when nothing of a decent quality is made with that franchise, while you believe that a franchise is only dead when absolutely nothing made with it, whether these things be good or bad.SsilverR said:
Secondly, an open world sand box Sonic game wouldn't really be a Sonic game. The original Sonic games did not focus on exploration. Your goal was simple; get to the end of the level as quickly as possible whilst trying to collect rings. Open world sand box games tend to lean more towards the exploration aspect of a game. Sonic benefits more from linear level design.
