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[Abomination]

Then fine, what is objectively the better hammer or the better writing instrument in those situations?

The hammer is easy while the writing utensil not so much. Claw hammer and pen. A ballpeen hammer is highly specialized to do two jobs while a claw hammer is designed to do a minimum of three while also being capable of completing the ballpeen's jobs as well. Pen just barely edged out pencil due to the tip not breaking and requiring sharpening.

So it's objectively better in those areas... that doesn't mean it's objectively better. What about cost? Wear and tear? Transit time? Fuel costs? Lack of stock when purchasing? General convenience? No need of physical storage? Automatic categorizing? Non-physical DRM?

You see, all of your advantages I can identify as advantages but subjectively they mean nothing to me. So while they might be an objective points in its favour the value of some of those points is 0 to an individual. I recognize this can happen for the objective advantages of digital media as well. That is why I would never make the claim that digital media is objectively better than physical media... even though I prefer digital media over physical media as it suits my situation far better.

To me the disadvantages are outweighed by the advantages it has over its rival.

Finally you provide some counterpoints. However we are back to you using the wrong terminology. Seriously, look it up. Objective = fact
Subjective = feelings

The way you feel about an objective point is irrelevant, because you are trying to make it a subjective point.

So let's start a list then.
Objective points
-longevity----------------------------Physical
-ownership----------------------------Physical
-hard drive space---------------------Physical
-accesses without internet------------Physical
-accesses with internet---------------Both
-easiest on bandwidth restrictions----Physical
-barrowing/trading allowed------------Physical
-cost---------------------------------Tie (usually comparable price with tax applied to both, also anomalies high/low for both)
-wear and tear-------------Both (vehicle wear sustained for physical or console/modem/router wear sustained for digital)
-transit time-------------------------Digital
-download time------------------------Physical
-fuel costs---------------------------Digital
-electricity cost---------------------Physical
-lack of stock when purchasing--------Digital
-servers down when downloading--------Physical
-general convenience--------------------------------XXXXXXXSUBJECTIVE POINTXXXXXXX
-no need of physical storage----------Neither (hard drive or shelf space, both require physical storage)
-automatic categorizing--------(console) Neither (I have to find my digital games like I do physical copies, by looking)
-non-physical DRM---------------------Both

Now admittedly, this is not a full list, but so far it looks like...
Physical- 9
Digital- 3
Both- 3
Neither- 2
Tie- 1

As of now OBJECTIVLY physical copies are winning. SUBJECTIVLY you still like digital and I still like physical.

You're going to have to show me the part in the definition of objectivity where things are graded on a point for point system.

Because honestly this is ridiculous. Especially you stating that a digital copy needs physical storage. But your subjective opinion that a physical copy is objectively better than digital copies will continue to amuse.

Good luck with this... and your terrible misunderstanding as to how objectivity and subjectivity operate.

 

[Sarge034]

You're going to have to show me the part in the definition of objectivity where things are graded on a point for point system.

Why don't you look it up? I have been doing the heavy legwork in this "discussion" for a while now. But if you insist...

-ob·jec·tive

1. (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
"historians try to be objective and impartial"

synonyms: impartial, unbiased, unprejudiced, nonpartisan, disinterested, neutral, uninvolved, even-handed, equitable, fair, fair-minded, just, open-minded, dispassionate, detached, neutral

-sub·jec·tive

1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
"his views are highly subjective"

synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive

Because honestly this is ridiculous. Especially you stating that a digital copy needs physical storage.

Does it not take up space in the physical world? A hard drive, cloud server, memory stick, ect, ect. As the point was worded it was correct. Now, the point of "which takes up less space" or "which takes up less space in bulk quantities" would have garnered a different answer. As I said, this list is far from being complete.

But your subjective opinion that a physical copy is objectively better than digital copies will continue to amuse.

And your subjective view of digital copies will continue to baffle me, but I'm not hear to change subjective opinions. I'm here to show the error of saying one is not objectively better than the other at the present level of technology.

Good luck with this... and your terrible misunderstanding as to how objectivity and subjectivity operate.

Says the one who wants to choose an objective winner based on subjective views.

 

[Abomination]

Trust me, you'll look back on this in the future and be somewhat ashamed of yourself.

It just boggles the mind how you think something is objectively better than something else - in general - because it has more objective points in its favour. Something is objectively better than something else when it performs better than that other thing in EVERY POSSIBLE WAY. If it does not perform better than the other thing in every possible way it's entirely possible that it is less valuable in a different circumstance.

If the item was objectively better it would perform better than the alternative in every scenario. If it can't then it's only objectively better in certain scenarios and not objectively better overall.

I prefer digital media because the objective benefits benefit me more than the collective objective benefits of physical media. Digital media is objectively better for me in my current state than physical media. Many of the objective benefits you listed of physical media do not benefit me. If one thing gives me more benefit (not benefitS - singular, not plural) than another thing it is objectively better for me.

It might be objectively better for me, and it might be objectively better for you... that makes it subjectively better overall. It's better DEPENDING on who is using it.

 

[Sarge034]

Trust me, you'll look back on this in the future and be somewhat ashamed of yourself.

Trust me, I will neither look back on this or feel ashamed. The fact that you still fail to comprehend the difference between an objective analysis and subjective situational analysis means this conversation is done. Short of you giving a damn and educating yourself about objective analysis, nothing more can be done.