Katatori-kun said:
blazearmoru said:
Whenever anyone does something, they are to blame for their actions.
I never said any such thing in this thread. I said when a person
escalates a conflict they are 100% to blame for the
escalation. Stop misrepresenting my opinion.
When consequences arise that involve, people, animals, living beings, machines... let's just stretch back to people since it's unclear. When basically you cause another person to kill, such as Hitler causing his minions to kill Jews, it's the fault of the minion not of Hitler. Hitler's only crime is talks, and threats, and is in no way 100% not responsible for the death of any Jew.
Absolute rubbish, I never said anything of the sort. Are you so desperate for an argument that you feel the need to lie in order to invent someone to argue with?
"Whenever Hitler threatens people, he is entirely at fault for the act of threatening. When you respond to threats with mass murder, you are 100% to blame." - Replaced anyone with Hitler, replaced earlier causation from escalation to threat. It's even fits as a plug in. Look, I didn't even need to remove mass murder.
Well, you might have had a point there if Hitler didn't escalate the conflict multiple times by invading several neighbors and rounding up Jews, homosexuals, Romani, and "undesireables" well before an Allied retaliation came into being, and the Allied retaliation was quite restrained compared to Hitler's aggression. And since both of those things are true, what you have done is waste our time with a bunch of piffle that has no basis in reality.
That's three strikes. I warned you twice to stop arguing against things I didn't say. Three times you did it anyway. So we're done. No useful conversation can be had when one party refuses to listen accurately to the other, espeicially when they choose not to question what they don't understand and instead pepper their response with "fuck you"s. You're going into my ignore list. Also, kindly stop personal messaging me. Second request on that. If I get any more PMs from you I will report you to the mods for harassment.
I never said any such thing in this thread. I said when a person escalates a conflict they are 100% to blame for the escalation. Stop misrepresenting my opinion.
1. I fail to see the difference.
2. Did you mean that if someone does something positive, anything aside from
not escalating a problem it's a different issue, only those who does things along the lines of creating a bigger mess, are responsible for the
whole of the mess?
Look at the Hitler analogy
absolute rubbish, I never said anything of the sort. Are you so desperate for an argument that you feel the need to lie in order to invent someone to argue with?
1. It's a rephrasing of what's above. You stating that a person who does the act of escalation is to blame for that act. I jumped to the conclusion thinking you meant that a person who does an act is to blame for that act but I was wrong, you're only stating the act of escalation which is even a more sickening double standard from my PoV. Instead of stating that everyone is responsible for only their actions, you're stating that only escalators are responsible for the
final outcome of all prior escalations, in this case, the shooting alone is the final outcome after all other influences have settled into place. Unless I'm wrong again and you're only using it for this single particular situation by which then, wow, your double standards knows no limits. I could be missing a remaining option though. If so, feel free to explain it.
2. Nope, but you seem to need to be in denial. Also hitler's ww1's medals of accomplishment had to deal with being a messenger, not for killing sprees. Your position from what I can comprehend states that hitler's only crime is
"escalation" to the point of rude chatting and threats. The actual murderer is not Hitler so he cannot be held accountable for it. Other people
escalated it to murder.
Well, you might have had a point there if Hitler didn't escalate the conflict multiple times by invading several neighbors and rounding up Jews, homosexuals, Romani, and "undesireables" well before an Allied retaliation came into being, and the Allied retaliation was quite restrained compared to Hitler's aggression. And since both of those things are true, what you have done is waste our time with a bunch of piffle that has no basis in reality.
1. He invaded, true that. Didn't kill anyone.
2. Hitler's aggression? You mean his crime of talking offensively cus he definitely wasn't out on killing sprees. Or did you mean, waltzing into another country?
3. See, you're scapegoating based on your personal preferences. You're using double standards whenever it makes you feel good.
4. He still didn't escalate it to murder. He was just talking (
throwing orders ).
Also, kindly stop personal messaging me. Second request on that. If I get any more PMs from you I will report you to the mods for harassment.
My message simply stated that I responded and I'm sorry that I didn't respond quick enough. You stated that I stopped responding and I simply wanted to tell you I didn't. I even apologized for offending you at some point in the message. I think I may of also said something along the lines of "let's continue this tomorrow". You're pretty quick to take personal offense it seems. I'll stop but you're the one with the problem, not me. Also re-read the "fuck you" part, it's light hearted and in no way in insult.
My insults as you well know, are done differently and aimed at your understanding of biology, psychology, neurology, and even philosophy because from my understanding of philosophy, morality of decisions has to do with one's capability to decide things which at the point of the shooting, biology, psychology, neurology and the like have very clearly put the guy in a state much worse than any amount of alcohol or any other drug. To make things worse, I'm pretty sure that in philosophy, if a person chooses to ingest drugs and as a result does actions beyond his judgement, they are responsible out of the choice of taking the drug knowing that it'll cause them to lose judgement
but this person didn't choose what he learned (
his environment ) didn't choose his birth (
a human with human brain flaws ) and sure as hell didn't choose to lose judgement (
his biology at his age, chemicals and emotions ). He didn't have control over jack shit. He didn't even have control over his own DAMN BRAIN and what do you want him to make decisions with? His ass? or his
soul ?
Don't take my word for it that he's clearly in no state to make a clear decision, take the decision he made.